If fences don't work, why is there one around the White House:

[Dittohead not!]

A bit of an exaggeration. Secret Service do not walk around with M16's in the White House, but essentially you're right - a fence works when it's properly installed, maintained and monitored. Same would work for a 2,000 mile border.

That's right, and if soldiers were to patrol it, say a team of two for every half mile or so, that would only take 8,000 soldiers per shift, or 24,000 total to adequately patrol the fence, once it's built.

 

[Ockham]

That's right, and if soldiers were to patrol it, say a team of two for every half mile or so, that would only take 8,000 soldiers per shift, or 24,000 total to adequately patrol the fence, once it's built.

Don't forget additional to cover sick days, vacations, etc. A great job creator right there especially for our returning service men and women.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Don't forget additional to cover sick days, vacations, etc. A great job creator right there especially for our returning service men and women.

Yes, it would be that.

And don't forget the builders of the wall. They'll stay busy for decades doing that, if, that is, we don't resort to using illegal labor to cut costs.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

You're answer doesn't make sense.

Your idea on this whole situtation makes no sense.

This thread for Christ's sake has the same sense as a piece of dog turd.

 

[Ockham]

Your idea on this whole situtation makes no sense.

This thread for Christ's sake has the same sense as a piece of dog turd.

Then don't post in it....

 

[Reformedfindlay]

That's right, and if soldiers were to patrol it, say a team of two for every half mile or so, that would only take 8,000 soldiers per shift, or 24,000 total to adequately patrol the fence, once it's built.

Now if we can just get out of Iraq and Afghanistan you could be super safe and have a border patrol of over 50,000...

 

[Dittohead not!]

Now if we can just get out of Iraq and Afghanistan you could be super safe and have a border patrol of over 50,000...

except for that pesky business of the Islamic Caliphate that is out to kill all the infidels.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

except for that pesky business of the Islamic Caliphate that is out to kill all the infidels.

Sure, just wait till they finish killing each other. Besides, no need for troops there, just bomb the ****s, 911 happens again? Nuke the ****s, problem solved, there can't be any terrorists left if there isn't even a Middle East left.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Sure, just wait till they finish killing each other. Besides, no need for troops there, just bomb the ****s, 911 happens again? Nuke the ****s, problem solved, there can't be any terrorists left if there isn't even a Middle East left.

It would be easier if they just congregated in one area. We could declare war on the Caliphate and nuke them out of existence.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

It would be easier if they just congregated in one area. We could declare war on the Caliphate and nuke them out of existence.

Psssh you don't even need them to congregate anymore. The first nuke (Fatman) had its power in the tens of kilotons.

Our nukes today can go in to the MEGAton range. And if we really wanted to focus on them anymore than we do now (because nuclear warhead development and research has stagnated quite a bit since the cold war ended) By the end of 2050 or 2075 we can probably get GIGAton range nuclear warheads.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Psssh you don't even need them to congregate anymore. The first nuke (Fatman) had its power in the tens of kilotons.

Our nukes today can go in to the MEGAton range. And if we really wanted to focus on them anymore than we do now (because nuclear warhead development and research has stagnated quite a bit since the cold war ended) By the end of 2050 or 2075 we can probably get GIGAton range nuclear warheads.

except for the pesky business of innocent civilians getting killed by the millions, that just might work.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Psssh you don't even need them to congregate anymore. The first nuke (Fatman) had its power in the tens of kilotons.

Our nukes today can go in to the MEGAton range. And if we really wanted to focus on them anymore than we do now (because nuclear warhead development and research has stagnated quite a bit since the cold war ended) By the end of 2050 or 2075 we can probably get GIGAton range nuclear warheads.

Oh look, a left wing warmonger Hell bent on the destruction of Earth. Who needs a fence when we have nukes.

 

[gdgyva]

a fence will not completely shut down the border, but it would make a huge dent in the invasion

yes...i used that un PC word.....but 300k people, including 60k children in a few months is an invasion of our country

and the fence wouldnt have to be manned by 20k people....not even close

between drones, and new technology that we can use, the number of people involved would be considerably smaller

the ONLY question is, do we have politicians willing to do it?

it isnt a question of "can we?"

it is a question of "do we want to?"

well, based on the public outrage that is growing, i would say the chance is growing higher every day

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Oh look, a left wing warmonger Hell bent on the destruction of Earth. Who needs a fence when we have nukes.

XD

In some threads I stated to sometimes have a right-wing tendency depending on the topic.

Those topics are generally:

Gun control

Law and order

As for what this topic goes under, beyond me, but compared to some of the other liberals around here I'm sure they heavily disagree with my Middle Eastern plan XD You can however continue jumping in ecstacy that you've finally found a left-wing terminator (not warmonger, I don't want to start a massive useless war, just nuke em and done with it. Fear will take care of the rest.)

QUESTION: Was Niccolo Machiavelli considered left wing?

 

[sangha]

That's right, and if soldiers were to patrol it, say a team of two for every half mile or so, that would only take 8,000 soldiers per shift, or 24,000 total to adequately patrol the fence, once it's built.

Those #'s seem woefully insufficient to me.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Those #'s seem woefully insufficient to me.

Well, we could build and man a DMZ like the one between the two Koreas. That'll keep them out.

 

[Misterveritis]

QUESTION: Was Niccolo Machiavelli considered left wing?

No. He favored the Republican form of government and citizen armies.

 

[Misterveritis]

Well, we could build and man a DMZ like the one between the two Koreas. That'll keep them out.

Invade and seize enough of Mexico so the border is half it's current length. Force out the current inhabitants. Make it a tax free zone for the next 75 years.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Invade and seize enough of Mexico so the border is half it's current length. Force out the current inhabitants. Make it a tax free zone for the next 75 years.

If we're going to "invade and seize, why not just create a no man's land ten miles ore so wide along the border and just shoot anyone who dares to trespass on that buffer zone?

Might makes right, as we all know.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

No. He favored the Republican form of government and citizen armies.

"citizen armies" More like armies terrorizing the citizens... LOVE IT!

"Favored Republic" The despot would like to disagree with you.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

If we're going to "invade and seize, why not just create a no man's land ten miles ore so wide along the border and just shoot anyone who dares to trespass on that buffer zone?

Might makes right, as we all know.

Innovate. That's all I have to say.

Security systems within 50 years should make petty crime (street thugs, etc.) become extinct. Only the smart criminals will survive.

Security systems along the border can essentially evolve the same way.

The rate of advance within security technology > rate of advance in techniques for crossing the border

Patience is half of my answer for illegal immigration, the other half of course, being reform.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

XD

In some threads I stated to sometimes have a right-wing tendency depending on the topic.

Those topics are generally:

Gun control

Law and order

Hint: Aliens crossing the Mexico/US border illegally is related to law and order. Illegal is the key word. Those on the right know that.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Hint: Aliens crossing the Mexico/US border illegally is related to law and order. Illegal is the key word. Those on the right know that.

Hint: I've already told DP the "Tear" in my mind that causes the struggle inside of it.

#1 Law is law, and these people are illegal immigrants

#2 Immigration needs to be reformed

Of course it is expected of you to inflate your own ego now that I'm getting to know you (Call it luck but I have never seen you before so the threads we decide to discuss in are almost never the same ones).

 

[Dittohead not!]

Innovate. That's all I have to say.

Security systems within 50 years should make petty crime (street thugs, etc.) become extinct. Only the smart criminals will survive.

Security systems along the border can essentially evolve the same way.

The rate of advance within security technology > rate of advance in techniques for crossing the border

Patience is half of my answer for illegal immigration, the other half of course, being reform.

If all that comes to pass, then the border fence is even less necessary. Meanwhile, let's enforce existing laws and then reform our immigration policy.

Or not. The partisan sniping and political grandstanding we're seeing currently in Washington has come to be what we can expect from the federal government.

 

[Misterveritis]

If we're going to "invade and seize, why not just create a no man's land ten miles ore so wide along the border and just shoot anyone who dares to trespass on that buffer zone?

Might makes right, as we all know.

We need to move far enough south that we can place the new border on defensible terrain. From memory that will take about 1/3rd of Mexico. Then shoot if you like.