Idiotic Environmental Predictions

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I skipped the actual construction step. A functioning new City would have all of that available.

jobs do not spring out of nothing, there has to be a demand for a product or service, and the demand cannot exists without
people with income to need that product or service.

 

[danielpalos]

jobs do not spring out of nothing, there has to be a demand for a product or service, and the demand cannot exists without
people with income to need that product or service.

"just build and they will come".

 

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"just build and they will come".

Why would they come, your new city would have to offer some advantage,
and you just finished saying the city now has a large debt load from all those bonds issued,( To build this Utopia)
which means the taxes could be higher than older cities.
Does your city give tax advantages to lure in businesses, if so the residents will bear the brunt of the debt load.

 

[danielpalos]

Why would they come, your new city would have to offer some advantage,
and you just finished saying the city now has a large debt load from all those bonds issued,( To build this Utopia)
which means the taxes could be higher than older cities.
Does your city give tax advantages to lure in businesses, if so the residents will bear the brunt of the debt load.

New Cities in more optimal locations are simply, more optimal.

We can task our Corp of Engineers to some up with some, SimCities for your review.

 

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New Cities in more optimal locations are simply, more optimal.

We can task our Corp of Engineers to some up with some, SimCities for your review.

Do you understand that cities are where they are today, because conditions evolved for them to be there.
Rivers, ports, railroads, highways, resources, ect, factors existed that were favorable for people to start collecting at that location.
While the Corp of Engineers are some very intelligent people, their projects have also been some of the more spectacular failures.
Vast portions of Louisiana are returning to the Gulf of Mexico, because of Corp of Engineer changes to the Mississippi.
Louisiana’s Disappearing Coast | The New Yorker

 

[danielpalos]

Do you understand that cities are where they are today, because conditions evolved for them to be there.
Rivers, ports, railroads, highways, resources, ect, factors existed that were favorable for people to start collecting at that location.
While the Corp of Engineers are some very intelligent people, their projects have also been some of the more spectacular failures.
Vast portions of Louisiana are returning to the Gulf of Mexico, because of Corp of Engineer changes to the Mississippi.
Louisiana’s Disappearing Coast | The New Yorker

That is the whole point of new Cities in more optimal locations. We can use the Roman camp model and build to suit any more optimal location.

 

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That is the whole point of new Cities in more optimal locations. We can use the Roman camp model and build to suit any more optimal location.

What I am trying to tell you is that natural selection has already chosen the optimal location for the existing cities.
Some, like LA, have grown beyond their carrying capacity, but they were optimal when they started.
PS optimal for a Roman Camp, may not be optimal for a manufacturing hub, very different considerations.
Simply because you label a strip of dirt via principalis, does not make it main street!

 

[danielpalos]

What I am trying to tell you is that natural selection has already chosen the optimal location for the existing cities.
Some, like LA, have grown beyond their carrying capacity, but they were optimal when they started.
PS optimal for a Roman Camp, may not be optimal for a manufacturing hub, very different considerations.
Simply because you label a strip of dirt via principalis, does not make it main street!

Global sea rising was not taken into optimal consideration in ancient times. What was optimal then, is merely suboptimal now.

 

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Global sea rising was not taken into optimal consideration in ancient times. What was optimal then, is merely suboptimal now.

In your opinion! Do you think New York City is at risk for sea level rise, by year 2100?

 

[danielpalos]

In your opinion! Do you think New York City is at risk for sea level rise, by year 2100?

I would rather learn about open interest and options.

Some communities have problems now.

New Cities in more optimal locations have a practical purpose now.

 

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I would rather learn about open interest and options.

Some communities have problems now.

New Cities in more optimal locations have a practical purpose now.

The new cities will have problems as well, because optimal is subjective.
How much will the taxes be, what will be the average income, is it sustainable, ect ect?

 

[danielpalos]

The new cities will have problems as well, because optimal is subjective.
How much will the taxes be, what will be the average income, is it sustainable, ect ect?

Intelligent design is a requirement. The Roman camp model is a simple illustration.

The Chinese have already built entire Cities.

 

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Intelligent design is a requirement. The Roman camp model is a simple illustration.

The Chinese have already built entire Cities.

Yet the Chinese have tried this experiment.
Chinese cities are ghost towns - Business Insider

Throughout China, there are hundreds of cities that have almost everything one needs for a modern,
urban lifestyle: high-rise apartment complexes, developed waterfronts, skyscrapers, and even public art.
Everything, that is, except one major factor: people.

So simply building a utopian city, does not mean that people will go live there.

 

[danielpalos]

Yet the Chinese have tried this experiment.
Chinese cities are ghost towns - Business Insider

So simply building a utopian city, does not mean that people will go live there.

lol. Proof that it can be done in modern times. We subscribe to capitalism, we have a Commerce Clause, and our welfare clause is General.

Junk bonds not junk laws!

 

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lol. Proof that it can be done in modern times. We subscribe to capitalism, we have a Commerce Clause, and our welfare clause is General.

Junk bonds not junk laws!

As I have said, simply building a city, does not mean that people will want to live there,
All that you would have done is wasted funds that could be better utilized elsewhere.

 

[danielpalos]

As I have said, simply building a city, does not mean that people will want to live there,
All that you would have done is wasted funds that could be better utilized elsewhere.

lol. like what? building a useless wall.

You mean, no one from any community currently experiencing flooding would not want to move, if they could?

 

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lol. like what? building a useless wall.

You mean, no one from any community currently experiencing flooding would not want to move, if they could?

You have to understand that people who choose to live in coastal high risk flooding areas, usually pay a premium to do so!
They understand and accept the risks, because they like living close to the water.
You mentioned a Roman camp earlier, if walls are useless, why did the Romans when they set up camp,
take the effort to also build a wall around the camp?
Walls are useful in the right conditions, is controlling flows of people to where they are desired as compared
to where they are not! A modern example is airport security, barriers and walls force people to go through the
security checkpoints, to be able to access the boarding areas!

 

[danielpalos]

You have to understand that people who choose to live in coastal high risk flooding areas, usually pay a premium to do so!
They understand and accept the risks, because they like living close to the water.
You mentioned a Roman camp earlier, if walls are useless, why did the Romans when they set up camp,
take the effort to also build a wall around the camp?
Walls are useful in the right conditions, is controlling flows of people to where they are desired as compared
to where they are not! A modern example is airport security, barriers and walls force people to go through the
security checkpoints, to be able to access the boarding areas!

You are making it seem persons would rather live in and put up with flooding than move to new place if they could.

Yes, walls are useful, especially in military situations if you want to "control the movement of people". Otherwise, seawalls make more sense.

 

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You are making it seem persons would rather live in and put up with flooding than move to new place if they could.

Yes, walls are useful, especially in military situations if you want to "control the movement of people". Otherwise, seawalls make more sense.

The "if they could" if the key phrase here.
Some people choose to stay near the water, because they like it and understand the risks.
Other may not be able to sell and move. Ether way a new location would have to demonstrate that it was in fact better, in some tangible way.

 

[danielpalos]

The "if they could" if the key phrase here.
Some people choose to stay near the water, because they like it and understand the risks.
Other may not be able to sell and move. Ether way a new location would have to demonstrate that it was in fact better, in some tangible way.

Eminent domain could be used to move people from a suboptimal location to a more optimum location without any "great walls."

 

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Eminent domain could be used to move people from a suboptimal location to a more optimum location without any "great walls."

Yes, you can force people to do things they do not want to do, but it costs money and diminishes freedom.
What kind of government is it you want anyway?

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, you can force people to do things they do not want to do, but it costs money and diminishes freedom.
What kind of government is it you want anyway?

One that actually solves our problems. Our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror cost and diminish freedom and do nothing to solve sea level rising.

 

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One that actually solves our problems. Our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror cost and diminish freedom and do nothing to solve sea level rising.

The sea level will do what ever it's going to do, and Humans are not involved.
That is what the long term trends show.
Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides & Currents
No I am afraid our government is not that good at getting things done, and even worse at protecting our freedoms.

 

[danielpalos]

The sea level will do what ever it's going to do, and Humans are not involved.
That is what the long term trends show.
Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides & Currents
No I am afraid our government is not that good at getting things done, and even worse at protecting our freedoms.

I agree with you that climate change happens regardless of our input to the environment. However, your opinion regarding our government is meaningless as long as Congress has the social Power to Tax.

 

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I agree with you that climate change happens regardless of our input to the environment. However, your opinion regarding our government is meaningless as long as Congress has the social Power to Tax.

The power to tax is not social, but granted authority, but the congress critters know that the voting population
also has the power to vote them out of office.