First of all, self fulfilling studies usually achieve the results one is looking for, I am not sure that this has happened here but as I am not a genetics expert I am in no position to see if this study would stand up to peer review.
Secondly, not genetic does not mean that it is not natural or that people are not born that way.
There is no homosexual instinct in animals. I didn't realize liberals were so anti science.
I knew someone would bring up the gay penguins. You realize that they are now ex-gay penguins right?
SF Zoo's Same Sex Penguin Couple Splits Up | www.ktvu.com
So if we're going to use "gay animals" as evidence that homosexuality is "natural" then we can conclude that homosexuality can be "cured". Not only that, since we're using irrational animal behavior to justify human morality now is cannibalism a moral and civil right now too? After all, animals eat their young and engage in cannibalism.
No it doesn't. Animals aren't mounting other animals because of human feelings and motivations. Animals react irrationally to outside stimuli. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.
This correlates with the recent scientific presentation (see below) that homosexuality is epigenetic in etiology, not genetic, two completely different etiologies.Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic | OrthodoxNet.com Blog
Hm. Here I thought it was genetic.Either way its not natural.
SO, since you are now separating "natural" and "caused by humankind" into two separate categories we can throw out your argument that homosexuality exists in nature so therefor it is "natural" in humans. You can't have it both ways.
There is no gay gene
This study further proves that. If homosexuality is psychological (and it is) it can be cured.
There is no gay gene.
Your belief that such a gene exists is pure religious dogma. This study even hammers that point home even harder. Identical twins have identical DNA. If there was a gay gene there would consistent data to show that was a possibility. The scientific data and evidence point to the exact opposite however.
Male/female coupling is natural. It has specific social and biological purposes. It's propagates the species. Homosexuality is abnormal. Occurs in less than 5% (less than 2% most likely) and is associated with psychological abnormalities in humans. Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the DSM criteria until it was removed for political purposes. Animals engage in those types of irrational homosexual behaviors because of dominance and conflicting and confusing outside stimuli.
There is no gay gene.
Your belief that such a gene exists is pure religious dogma. This study even hammers that point home even harder. Identical twins have identical DNA. If there was a gay gene there would consistent data to show that was a possibility. The scientific data and evidence point to the exact opposite however.
Male/female coupling is natural. It has specific social and biological purposes. It's propagates the species. Homosexuality is abnormal. Occurs in less than 5% (less than 2% most likely) and is associated with psychological abnormalities in humans. Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the DSM criteria until it was removed for political purposes. Animals engage in those types of irrational homosexual behaviors because of dominance and conflicting and confusing outside stimuli.
There is no gay gene
This study further proves that. If homosexuality is psychological (and it is) it can be cured.
Wrong....it's natural because it exists outside of human influence. If you make two male dogs **** then that's human influenced homosexuality and that specific act would be unnatural.
There is no gay gene.
Your belief that such a gene exists is pure religious dogma. This study even hammers that point home even harder. Identical twins have identical DNA. If there was a gay gene there would consistent data to show that was a possibility. The scientific data and evidence point to the exact opposite however.
Male/female coupling is natural. It has specific social and biological purposes. It's propagates the species. Homosexuality is abnormal. Occurs in less than 5% (less than 2% most likely) and is associated with psychological abnormalities in humans. Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the DSM criteria until it was removed for political purposes. Animals engage in those types of irrational homosexual behaviors because of dominance and conflicting and confusing outside stimuli.
There is no gay gene
This study further proves that. If homosexuality is psychological (and it is) it can be cured.
There may not be a gay gene, I do not know that and I don't think it matters because it is still a natural thing and it is not curable. Gay is gay and will remain gay.
We must cure people from left handedness too.
So two men going at it is human influenced so it's unnatural?
Left handed people are sinister.
Left handed people are sinister.
They masturbate with their left hand. Can you imagine? Savages.
I tried it with my right hand once and it threw my rhythm off.....
There is no known gay gene. That does not mean there is no gay gene. Your failure to understand genetics is painful(hint: look up the difference between genotype and phenotype for example). By the way, your claimed numbers for homosexuality rates is lower than the rate mentioned in the linked article for twins. Just something to think about.
By your definition, hetersexuality should be curable too if orientation is psychological.
No...you're saying the act itself is unnatural. That male on male bonding is unnatural. It occurs in nature outside of human influence therefore it's natural.
So...It occurs in nature outside of human influence therefore it's natural.
We must cure people from left handedness too.
You never had rhythm. You're white. Your people merely adopted rhythm. My people were born with it. Molded by it. Left, right, left, right, left. WHAT UP.
There are 5 people all giving me the same response so I'll just focus on this one
There are 2 major strawmen in your arguments
1) There is no gay gene. Evidence has just been found through a scientific study of identical twins (same DNA) that further supports this hypothesis. It is strong and compelling evidence. I find it absolutely amazing that you would dare claim someone doesn't understand genetics while completely ignoring the genetic data contained within the study.
Nobody in this thread wants to talk about the study and for good reason. It's further evidence that homosexuality is a psychological disorder. That homosexuality can be cured. Human beings are born with productive organs that have specific biological purposes. Beyond emotion and not wanting to hurt gay people's feelings, homosexual sex isn't natural. Claiming it's natural because animals do it (for reasons that have nothing to do with love, sexual attraction ect) is a very poor argument. Animals also engage in cannibalism.
2) Animals have an instinct to procreate. Biologically they have productive organs which serves a specific purpose. Heterosexuality as a condition is natural. A human beings inability to behave as a heterosexual (as this study further points to) is purely psychological. A condition that can be cured so the human being once again be one with it's nature.
I'm not going to keep repeating myself. If you want to talk about what the study specifically says, I'll be happy to do that. The science says there is no gay gene. Identical Twin DNA testing confirms this.
So...
Abortion - unnatural behavior
Infanticide - completely natural behavior
But building and extinction and deforestation occur outside of human influence too. You need to rethink your definition of "unnatural".
As you said: Words matter.
The problem is you are trying way to hard to stuff your worldview into a couple of ill fitting words and shredding them in the process.
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