ICE vehicles losing ground as consumers shift to hybrids and EVs

[Flaming Capitalist]

ICE vehicles losing ground as consumers shift to hybrids and EVs — Autoblog

Car buying trends are shifting, with more consumers exploring hybrids and EVs over traditional gas-powered vehicles.

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Car buying trends are shifting, with more consumers exploring hybrids and EVs over traditional gas-powered vehicles.

According to a new report from the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, ICE vehicles saw the biggest market share loss of any vehicle category in the first half of 2024, dropping by 2.3%. While ICE vehicles still make up a majority of new car sales, that dominance is being chipped away as consumers increasingly buy hybrids, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), and EVs over traditional gas—and diesel-powered cars.

 

[Callen]

We are looking at a hybrid. EVs don't fit our travel needs at this point but a hybrid looks very appealing.

 

[noonereal]

We are looking at a hybrid. EVs don't fit our travel needs at this point but a hybrid looks very appealing.

I was gonna get one but it jacked up the price too much.

 

[Callen]

I was gonna get one but it jacked up the price too much.

With the amount of driving we do it might make sense

 

[dseag2]

EVs for the most part, are not getting good reviews for reliability. Hybrids are, but not plug-in hybrids.

According to Consumer Reports, electric vehicles (EVs) are less reliable than gasoline-powered vehicles, and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) are the least reliable:

• EVs
  Consumer Reports' 2023 survey found that EVs from 2021–2023 had 79% more problems than internal combustion engine vehicles. The most common issues were with the battery and charging systems, and with the fit of the body panels and interior parts.
  
• PHEVs
  PHEVs are 146% more likely to have problems than conventional cars. PHEVs are a combination of an EV and a conventional car, so they have more things that can go wrong.

Consumer Reports suggests that EV reliability will improve as manufacturers learn to build the new power systems. However, reliability concerns, along with higher costs, too few charging stations, and long charging times, may continue to make buyers hesitant to switch to EVs.

 

[Mycroft]

ICE vehicles losing ground as consumers shift to hybrids and EVs — Autoblog

Car buying trends are shifting, with more consumers exploring hybrids and EVs over traditional gas-powered vehicles.

apple.news

Car buying trends are shifting, with more consumers exploring hybrids and EVs over traditional gas-powered vehicles.

According to a new report from the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, ICE vehicles saw the biggest market share loss of any vehicle category in the first half of 2024, dropping by 2.3%. While ICE vehicles still make up a majority of new car sales, that dominance is being chipped away as consumers increasingly buy hybrids, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), and EVs over traditional gas—and diesel-powered cars.

There's nothing wrong with EV buying being a function of consumer demand, but when it is driven by manufacture and, even worse, by government action, that's not good.

In any case, this statement in the article is pretty much wishful thinking...

As hybrids continue to gain popularity and EV technology advances, the traditional gas-powered car may soon find itself taking a backseat in the automotive market.​

That's not something that'll be happening any time soon.

 

[Peter]

The UK has set the date for a ban on new ICE car sales as 2035.
All cars from then will have to be electric or some form of hydrogen.

 

[bongsaway]

There's nothing wrong with EV buying being a function of consumer demand, but when it is driven by manufacture and, even worse, by government action, that's not good.

In any case, this statement in the article is pretty much wishful thinking...

As hybrids continue to gain popularity and EV technology advances, the traditional gas-powered car may soon find itself taking a backseat in the automotive market.​

That's not something that'll be happening any time soon.

Define soon since it's already happening.

 

[bongsaway]

ICE vehicles losing ground as consumers shift to hybrids and EVs — Autoblog

Car buying trends are shifting, with more consumers exploring hybrids and EVs over traditional gas-powered vehicles.

apple.news

Car buying trends are shifting, with more consumers exploring hybrids and EVs over traditional gas-powered vehicles.

According to a new report from the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, ICE vehicles saw the biggest market share loss of any vehicle category in the first half of 2024, dropping by 2.3%. While ICE vehicles still make up a majority of new car sales, that dominance is being chipped away as consumers increasingly buy hybrids, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), and EVs over traditional gas—and diesel-powered cars.

No matter how many republicans stand in front of a speeding train, they ain't going to stop it and yet they do their best to stop progress whenever they can.

 

[Flaming Capitalist]

No matter how many republicans stand in front of a speeding train, they ain't going to stop it and yet they do their best to stop progress whenever they can.

The Republiclown party tells them how to think.

 

[Flaming Capitalist]

EVs for the most part, are not getting good reviews for reliability. Hybrids are, but not plug-in hybrids.

According to Consumer Reports, electric vehicles (EVs) are less reliable than gasoline-powered vehicles, and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) are the least reliable:

• EVs
  Consumer Reports' 2023 survey found that EVs from 2021–2023 had 79% more problems than internal combustion engine vehicles. The most common issues were with the battery and charging systems, and with the fit of the body panels and interior parts.
• PHEVs
  PHEVs are 146% more likely to have problems than conventional cars. PHEVs are a combination of an EV and a conventional car, so they have more things that can go wrong.

Consumer Reports suggests that EV reliability will improve as manufacturers learn to build the new power systems. However, reliability concerns, along with higher costs, too few charging stations, and long charging times, may continue to make buyers hesitant to switch to EVs.

I find that difficult to believe from hands-on experience. I've owned an EV for 4 years. Zero maintenance.
No oil changes. No radiator maintenance. No transmission maintenance. No problems with the battery or charging.

The end of gas cars? EV adoption accelerates across America — Autoblog

Some states have adopted electric vehicles more than others thanks to EV incentives and charging infrastructure, but the gap is slowly shrinking.

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[redbeer]

EVs for the most part, are not getting good reviews for reliability. Hybrids are, but not plug-in hybrids.

According to Consumer Reports, electric vehicles (EVs) are less reliable than gasoline-powered vehicles, and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) are the least reliable:

• EVs
  Consumer Reports' 2023 survey found that EVs from 2021–2023 had 79% more problems than internal combustion engine vehicles. The most common issues were with the battery and charging systems, and with the fit of the body panels and interior parts.
• PHEVs
  PHEVs are 146% more likely to have problems than conventional cars. PHEVs are a combination of an EV and a conventional car, so they have more things that can go wrong.

Consumer Reports suggests that EV reliability will improve as manufacturers learn to build the new power systems. However, reliability concerns, along with higher costs, too few charging stations, and long charging times, may continue to make buyers hesitant to switch to EVs.

Not only these obvious realities, but when the federal government purposefully goes out of their way to force consumers to purchase EV's through mandates or the manipulation of the price of gas/oil through radical policies it's no longer capitalism, but authoritarianism.

 

[Flaming Capitalist]

We are looking at a hybrid. EVs don't fit our travel needs at this point but a hybrid looks very appealing.

I owned a hybrid (Toyota Prius) for ten years. Got great gas mileage (50 MPG) but the performance was lacking.
I now own an EV and I'll never go back to gas.

 

[Flaming Capitalist]

EVs for the most part, are not getting good reviews for reliability. Hybrids are, but not plug-in hybrids.

According to Consumer Reports, electric vehicles (EVs) are less reliable than gasoline-powered vehicles, and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) are the least reliable:

• EVs
  Consumer Reports' 2023 survey found that EVs from 2021–2023 had 79% more problems than internal combustion engine vehicles. The most common issues were with the battery and charging systems, and with the fit of the body panels and interior parts.
• PHEVs
  PHEVs are 146% more likely to have problems than conventional cars. PHEVs are a combination of an EV and a conventional car, so they have more things that can go wrong.

Consumer Reports suggests that EV reliability will improve as manufacturers learn to build the new power systems. However, reliability concerns, along with higher costs, too few charging stations, and long charging times, may continue to make buyers hesitant to switch to EVs.

What is the date of that Consumer Report article?

 

[multivita-man]

If I were to get an EV or a hybrid (my preference), the costs would have to justify it, and I'd need to see a more ubiquitous and uniform charging infrastructure.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

No matter how many republicans stand in front of a speeding train, they ain't going to stop it and yet they do their best to stop progress whenever they can.

Nobodies hardly buying EV’s, mostly Hybrids. High cost, unreliable, too few charging stations.

 

[element94]

I've had Honda hybrids since the early 2000s. My current one (CR-V) was made in Indiana.

 

[Flaming Capitalist]

Nobodies hardly buying EV’s,

Not true

mostly Hybrids.

Nope

High cost,

Not any more

unreliable,

More reliable than gas cars

too few charging stations.

Not any more.

Do you exclusively watch FoxNews? Sure sounds like it.

 

[Flaming Capitalist]

If I were to get an EV or a hybrid (my preference), the costs would have to justify it, and I'd need to see a more ubiquitous and uniform charging infrastructure.

Then I'd wait a couple years until the car manufacturers make more inexpensive EVs and the number of supercharger increase.
But in the meantime, you really should take one for a test drive. You'll never regret it and you'll see why EVs are so popular.

 

[Flaming Capitalist]

EVs for the most part, are not getting good reviews for reliability. Hybrids are, but not plug-in hybrids.

According to Consumer Reports, electric vehicles (EVs) are less reliable than gasoline-powered vehicles, and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) are the least reliable:

• EVs
  Consumer Reports' 2023 survey found that EVs from 2021–2023 had 79% more problems than internal combustion engine vehicles. The most common issues were with the battery and charging systems, and with the fit of the body panels and interior parts.
• PHEVs
  PHEVs are 146% more likely to have problems than conventional cars. PHEVs are a combination of an EV and a conventional car, so they have more things that can go wrong.

Consumer Reports suggests that EV reliability will improve as manufacturers learn to build the new power systems. However, reliability concerns, along with higher costs, too few charging stations, and long charging times, may continue to make buyers hesitant to switch to EVs.

Tesla owner shares shocking long-term savings on Model 3 with over 130K miles on it: 'Running costs remain impressively low' — The Cool Down

The EV's fuel savings did not go away — even after a busy six years of action. Electric vehicles are often sold on the premise that their charging and maintenance costs will mean drivers save money over time, even if the price tag is high at first. It sounds pretty great, but is it true in...

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[dseag2]

Tesla owner shares shocking long-term savings on Model 3 with over 130K miles on it: 'Running costs remain impressively low' — The Cool Down

The EV's fuel savings did not go away — even after a busy six years of action. Electric vehicles are often sold on the premise that their charging and maintenance costs will mean drivers save money over time, even if the price tag is high at first. It sounds pretty great, but is it true in...

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Thanks for sharing. Tesla seems to be one of the few exceptions because their entire business model has focused on producing electric vehicles. Other brands that have produced mostly gasoline engines are just now cranking out EVs like crazy but they haven't caught up. BTW, I'm not at all against EVs. Just sharing what I'd read.

"Consumer Reports suggests that EV reliability will improve as manufacturers learn to build the new power systems."

And the article is from 2023.

BTW, we drive two 4-cylinder turbos. Mine is a '17 Audi A4 that is paid for with less than 36k miles. It gets good gas mileage and at this point, as much as I would love a hybrid, trading it for almost anything would cost me more than it would save me. As little as I drive, I fill up about every 3 weeks.

 

[Flaming Capitalist]

Nobodies hardly buying EV’s, mostly Hybrids. High cost, unreliable, too few charging stations.

Research reveals unexpected long-term battery life of Teslas: 'Tremendously long life cycles' — The Cool Down

There are ways to extend your battery's lifespan even longer than expected. When most people purchase a new or used car, they drive off the lot with a vehicle they hope lasts them a long time. Drive, an Australian publication that reviews and covers "all things automotive" recently published an...

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Drivers can save a significant amount of money driving an EV, thanks to the lower cost of charging with electricity rather than refueling with gas. Thanks to fewer moving mechanical parts, EVs require a lot less maintenance, too.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

The problem have been that traditional car companies have maid so much money on fossil fuel cars. So that they have not been interested in making the necessary investment into electric cars. While Musk is focusing on cultur wars and "cool" Cybertrucks instead of cheap mass market cars. So China have been able to dominate the emerging market.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

While the Inflation Reduction Act is an important part in catching up.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/20/inflation-reduction-act-sparked-a-manufacturing-clean-energy-boom.html

 

[Flaming Capitalist]

The problem have been that traditional car companies have maid so much money on fossil fuel cars. So that they have not been interested in making the necessary investment into electric cars. While Musk is focusing on cultur wars and "cool" Cybertrucks instead of cheap mass market cars. So China have been able to dominate the emerging market.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

While the Inflation Reduction Act is an important part in catching up.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/20/inflation-reduction-act-sparked-a-manufacturing-clean-energy-boom.html

Every major car company in the world now makes EV models.

The end of gas cars? EV adoption accelerates across America — Autoblog

Some states have adopted electric vehicles more than others thanks to EV incentives and charging infrastructure, but the gap is slowly shrinking.

apple.news

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Every major car company in the world now makes EV models.

The end of gas cars? EV adoption accelerates across America — Autoblog

Some states have adopted electric vehicles more than others thanks to EV incentives and charging infrastructure, but the gap is slowly shrinking.

apple.news

Yes because of the rapid technologies advancement. So that those companies no longer can ignore the potential.

While at the same time Tesla and Chinese cars dominate global sales. So legacy car companies have a lot of catching up to do.

The most popular EVs across the world in the first half of 2024

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