ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

[NOLA Dude]

 

[Uncensored2008]

Imagine not understanding that the US is a nation of immigrants.

Illegal is a term even the average Stalinists should be able to grasp. The lie of using "immigrant" in the place of "Illegal Alien" is part of the reason your party is collapsing.

9/10 lol as well. 9/10 likely say republicans suck just as much. Congress has like a 15% approval rating.

At the end of last week democrats had a 19% approval rating. With the insurrection, I'm confident you'll drive that down to 10% by the end of the week.

And your "NUHN UHN YOOO" is noted.

With thinking and compassion like this the future of the United States is doomed and our forefathers may have as well not existed. Project 2025 is the new Republican constitution.

The USA is doomed because the Stalinist democrat party is collapsing? More like the nation is saved.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Using the definition of insurrection that was employed against the J6 Protesters - it absolutely is.

They were trying to overthrow a fair election on Jan 6th. Nothing like that is happening in LA. How do you draw a circle around the square?

Not since being politicized by the Stalinist democrats. Once the word was redefined from the actually meaning of an armed uprising - such as what democrats did at CHAZ/CHOP to simply mean rioting, no point in complaining when it is applied in the same way to your side.



Indeed.

Republicans have completely embraced pay for play. Government policy is about who can spend the most money or gift the most RV’s. I look forward to Republicans returning to the side of the people and not cheering oligarchs and corruption. It’s been decades now.

 

[Linc]

McCarthy was a political opportunist and a Nazi sympathizer. And that's not a vilification, that's just the truth. Before he was supposedly "rooting out commies," he was defending the Nazis already found guilty of the Malmedy massacre. A real POS. He'd fit right in with today's GOP.

McCarthy was birthed by the GOP Nazis in the 20s and 30s and passed it on to Nixon and today’s GOPutins.

 

[Uncensored2008]

lol

More lies.

From you.

Quick, name the last five riots perpetrated by the right in America?

Exactly,

America has tired of the fascist left pissing in their face and demanding that it's raining.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Illegal is a term even the average Stalinists should be able to grasp. The lie of using "immigrant" in the place of "Illegal Alien" is part of the reason your party is collapsing.



At the end of last week democrats had a 19% approval rating. With the insurrection, I'm confident you'll drive that down to 10% by the end of the week.

And your "NUHN UHN YOOO" is noted.



The USA is doomed because the Stalinist democrat party is collapsing? More like the nation is saved.

If illegal had any meaning in the United States Taco would be in jail. Cafeteria crime selection is the best. You don’t disappoint. Also the dems aren’t my party. It’s just the lesser of two evils. Say no to rewriting our constitution with project 2025.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

From you.

Quick, name the last five riots perpetrated by the right in America?

Exactly,

America has tired of the fascist left pissing in their face and demanding that it's raining.

Now change riots to acts of terroristic violence and mass shootings and see where the numbers go.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Now change riots to acts of terroristic violence and mass shootings and see where the numbers go.

I would like to point out that protests and riots are often caused by unfair treatment of the less privileged. We all know republicans fully embrace that standard. They don’t care enough about people to protest unfair treatment. They welcome it. Why would they protest?

It’s a good point that republicans come out to protest over lies and misinformation to hang the vp and overturn the election. And only that.

Democrats repeatedly come out to protest inequality and mistreatment of the less privileged.

A stark contrast indeed.

 

[Nickyjo]

What statute might city leadership be violating when they order personnel to impede a federal investigation?

18 U.S. Code Chapter 73 Part I​

There is a difference between impeding an investigation and not calling ICE.

 

[NWRatCon]

There is a difference between impeding an investigation and not calling ICE.

Details, details.... Do you honestly expect them to read something before they post something... that absolutely contradicts their claim?

 

[eohrnberger]

There is a difference between impeding an investigation and not calling ICE.

Hmm. Interesting you post this.
You also posted this:

Not informing ICE is hindering them in a way.

Spoiler: Rest of the post

Just as informing ICE would be hindering the courts from dealing with different, more serious kind of lawbreaking. On balance, the Sanctuary cities have it right. Illegals might can be caught some other time. A person acquitted of a crime because an illegal will not surface to testify due to fear of deportation, cannot be tried again.

Isn't it a really, really fine line between impeding and hindering?
To me it seems that the two are synonyms of each other.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Hmm. Interesting you post this.
You also posted this:

Isn't it a really, really fine line between impeding and hindering?
To me it seems that the two are synonyms of each other.

That's why the laws use very carefully chosen language (most of the time). "May" and "shall" are two completely different things legally, and I have already seen people misinterpreting a statute (many pages back) on that point.

Obstruction and not helping are also two different things, legally.

 

[bomberfox]

Its alsk time for centrists to quit expecting perfection you are never going to get in any mass action.

 

[bomberfox]

ICE are wearing masks - and for the same reason. You know, it doesn't have to be this way: all we have to do is reject cancel culture, left and right, and stand up for people being bullied, whether they are anarchists or police captains. All we have to do... but how did we fall so far as this? Why did we fall so far as this?

There is a lot of difference in power between a police captain and a run of the mill anarchist.

 

[venice_ca]

You told a lie about insurrection - there was a real insurrection - men with guns, not just any guns, but the most dangerous weapons in history, AR-15's that have uber deadly black plastic, invaded an American city and took it by force.

You can't complain when you opened the door.

The discussion has been about Los Angeles, and the events currently happening here. Seattle has nothing to do with the NG and Marines on our streets.

By the foreign flags they are carrying.

This isn't that hard/

Anyone can carry a flag — that’s no sure fire way of establishing identity. I’ve personally carried an Italian peace flag at anti war demonstrations and I am a US citizen.

Colonization efforts are succeeding.

You are aware that California was originally colonized by Mexico, and that there are millions of Mexican American citizens in Southern California. There’s been a strong presence here for generations.

Most Latinos (as you call them) oppose illegal immigration. democrats are desperately trying to create a voting bloc, but it their racist bigotry don't grasp that these are people from over a dozen different countries who have nothing in common. A person from Chile has nothing in common with someone from Mexico, regardless of the desperation the Marxist democrats have for power.

Latino is the general term used in the region. Nothing unusual about that.

The CA GOP created the strong ties between Latinos and the Democratic Party. If one person could be held responsible it would be Pete Wilson, and his linking his political campaign with the ballot initiative to deny public services to undocumented immigrants. The demonization of Latinos was in overdrive, Spanish speakers automatically reviled regardless of immigration status, citizens included.

The strong voting patterns in favor of Democrats suggests that Latinos support immigration reform instead of draconian punishment.

So they did institute massive changes, but that doesn't serve your political agenda so you, sort of deny it?

You haven’t been keeping up on the multi million settlements paid each year for police misconduct. Obviously additional reforms were needed by the subsequent policies of dash and body cams, and then the mandate that they be turned on, and not merely present.

Yes, as well as being in bed with the gangs.

So you maintain that the LAPD is corrupt?

I knew you would whine - oh and they aren't the racists - that's the left. So I gave you a communist source.

PBS is communist? I think rational discussion has left the room, and doubt the value of continuing and discussion.

Journalism and the LA Times don't belong together. That is a propaganda.

So those Pulitzer Prizes awarded the LAT are fake?

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Yet another option is that I'm not willing to running around like Chicken Little for what appears to be gross exaggeration and extreme hyperbole - all for political purposes, rooted in 'My guy good, your guy bad'.
This is where I'm at this point.

It's not rooted in "my guy good, your guy bad." It's rooted in "your guy is acting like an authoritarian, and here are the reasons why."

The same goes for his indictments. Those things all had to go through the normal process - grand jury, etc. - to get to the point they got to. There is evidence of crimes committed by trump, period. Purely political grievances don't get far in the courts.

Like all presidents, there's good and bad, things I agree with and things I do not agree with.
The only thing for certain is that he is very much firmly in control of the White House and his administration's direction, however chaotic it may be, which certainly can't be said for the previous occupant of the White House.

"Firmly in control" is on the authoritarian spectrum. That's why we look at things he has done and compare them to previous presidents to make a determination.

It's also legitimate to compare trump's actions and words to other authoritarians when making a determination. Vilifying minority groups? Check. Using the military for domestic problems? Check. Attacking the judiciary? Check. Defying the judiciary? Incomplete, but headed in the "check" direction. Fomenting hatred in general? Double check.

Interesting, no response to 'The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were a tiny fraction of a percent of the people there'? This a true statement you know.

So what? Generals make up a tiny percentage of the military.

The Oath Keepers had a stash of weapons near by, but didn't retrieve those weapons - both groups, in effect, they did nothing beyond what other rioters were doing, which was rioting.

And preparing weapons doesn't bother you? Do you think that was a random act? Don't you think that, had things gone slightly differently, they might have retrieved those weapons and used them?

Your take on this goes beyond naivete. You are making excuses for criminal behavior, because it's your team storming the Capitol.

The Biden administration and the left went off the deep end with their overcharging in these cases, as SCOTUS has ruled.

Supreme Court questions use of statute against Jan. 6 defendants - Roll Call

The Supreme Court aired concerns Tuesday about the 'obstruction' charge against defendants in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.

rollcall.com

The SC questioning the use of a particular statute is their job. It didn't happen often under Biden; it's happening constantly under trump.

The Democrat held House went off the deep end with their erecting fencing all around the capitol.
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I hardly think that erecting a fence around the Capitol after it was violently stormed is "going off the deep end."

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Your understanding of what a Kangaroo Court is lacking.

The Jan. 6th Commission wasn't a trial, it was an investigation and a presentation of what they found.

 

[Callen]

The right totally distorts how the left views the issue. They are saying what they think the left think without asking the left.

The left, especially in large cities, refuse to allocate municipal funds to do federal work. City officials, especially the police, feel it's extremely important the immigrant community feel comfortable approaching the police about crimes they witness etc. The right labels that as a sanctuary city protecting illegals and thwarting ICE. It's not the police will not help ICE but neither will they hinder them.

The left always decries violence in times of unrest. They never condone it and welcome arrests. They also recognize and protect free speech even if they don't agree. The left can differentiate between a protester and rioter. The right chooses to characterize that as supporting the rioters. Although they are quick differentiate the peaceful protesters Jan 6th from the rioters and white supremacists from conservatives.

The left does have empathy for those millions and millions in the country illegally. They recognize their contribution and hate to see them treated as criminals and frightened for their families. The right see that as being supportive of an open border.

The left absolutely supports the deportation and removal of anyone who has acted in a criminal way but also feel that Constitutional protections must be provided if America is to remain a country who believes in the rule of law.

Some on the left are extreme in their views on immigration and some on the right are hateful bigots ......but the majority are neither

 

[bomberfox]

Anyone know if any businesses hiring illegals are getting fined? All I seem to find is the people getting picked up but nothing about the employers.

I ask because rumor has it ICE is raiding a JBS plant near me right now. JBS is horrible - they employ children and put their employees at risk for low pay because they know they can since they are illegal.

Republicans would neever do that

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Well, this is about as politically one-sided a interpretation of those events as you could get, same as the entire 'House Select Committee' was.

A lot was already known before the committee was even formed. One of those things was that Jordan was in communication with the White House and had memory problems concerning those communications. They had good reason to believe that Jordan would have obstructed the investigation from within.

There were plenty of other Republican congressmen McCarthy could have put on the committee that were not under suspicion. Why insist on Jordan?

The fact is that there were Republicans on the committee, and they investigated the events as they were obliged to do. And in doing so, they acted against their own political interests. In court, testimony against your own interests is a good indicator of truthful testimony.

I'll take the FBI's word over yours.

First, you took the word of four FBI sources, not the whole FBI. Second, that's a stale source from 2021, before the whole investigation had unfolded. People were tried for sedition, and convicted. Points for having a source, anyway.

 

[NWRatCon]

I think rational discussion has left the room, and doubt the value of continuing and discussion.

Happens every time he enters.

 

[TangoNoCash]

The right totally distorts how the left views the issue. They are saying what they think the left think without asking the left.

The left, especially in large cities, refuse to allocate municipal funds to do federal work. City officials, especially the police, feel it's extremely important the immigrant community feel comfortable approaching the police about crimes they witness etc. The right labels that as a sanctuary city protecting illegals and thwarting ICE. It's not the police will not help ICE but neither will they hinder them.

The left always decries violence in times of unrest. They never condone it and welcome arrests. They also recognize and protect free speech even if they don't agree. The left can differentiate between a protester and rioter. The right chooses to characterize that as supporting the rioters. Although they are quick differentiate the peaceful protesters Jan 6th from the rioters and white supremacists from conservatives.

The right does have empathy for those millions and millions in the country illegally. They recognize their contribution and hate to see them treated as criminals and frightened for their families. The right see that as being supportive of an open border.

The left absolutely supports the deportation and removal of anyone who has acted in a criminal way but also feel that Constitutional protections must be provided if America is to remain a country who believes in the rule of law.

Some on the left are extreme in their views on immigration and some on the right are hateful bigots ......but the majority are neither

Can’t say I’ve encountered one of these Republicans yet. I’m glad you have and I hope I’m in the minority.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

What statute might city leadership be violating when they order personnel to impede a federal investigation?

18 U.S. Code Chapter 73 Part I​

There is a difference between impeding an investigation and not calling ICE.

Yeah, unless there is a State or City rule/law, there is no obligation for LAPD to assist ICE in arresting or detaining any suspected illegal immigrant.

"Uncensored2008" wants Operation Wetback all over again.

 

[Callen]

Can’t say I’ve encountered one of these Republicans yet. I’m glad you have and I hope I’m in the minority.

Good catch...still time to edit

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Why was the video which showed some calmly and respectfully walking around in the Capitol like tourists hidden / suppressed for so long?
Why was the video which showed Capitol Hill police opening the doors for some to enter hidden / suppressed for so long?

None of that was hidden or suppressed. I saw those videos right alongside of the others. They weren't featured because they weren't relevant. Like I said, that's like showing video of a bank before it was robbed as a weak counterpoint to the video of the bank being robbed.

The point being is, yes, there was rioting and those who rioted were rioters, caught up in the moment, and they should be charged for rioting.
What is also true is that of all the people who attended that legal, legitimate and fully permitted political protest / demonstration, only a small fraction rioted.

Everyone who entered the Capitol building did so illegally. Some pushed and beat the sh!t out of the cops to get in, some smashed windows and climbed through, and some just followed through the smashed windows and opened doors. "Caught up in the moment" is no excuse.

And your "small fraction" included at least 1600 who were charged, and a bunch of others who were not. That's a large mob storming the Capitol, plenty large enough to overwhelm the cops.

Yet it is the left which constantly paints all of them, and all who support Trump, as bad as the Proud Boys and White Supremacist groups and Nazis. You do realize that it was this which cost you that election, more so than anything else, right? Its time to stop, for the sake of your own political party's survival.

If you support trump, you are implicitly supporting what he does and what he stands for. There is a reason why the Proud Boys and white supremacists are in trump's corner - because he is in theirs. He friggin' pardoned them, for crissakes. That's your team there. You can say you don't like trump and never voted for him, but you are defending all of it.

Besides, I wouldn't seek to exonerate the Jan 6th rioters.
But I wouldn't have gone and overcharged them either, such as the Biden DOJ AGINO (Attorney General In Name Only) Garland and his DOJ clearly did.
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Most got light sentences. What would you have done about the Proud Boys that started the attack? They were found guilty of sedition; how light a sentence would you have given them, considering they were guilty of that?