ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

[W_Heisenberg]

I'm skeptical as to the accuracy of these two assertions. Especially given that these are the people whom you are protecting:
The one asylum applicant mentioned in the cite article, given that he had a pending asylum hearing, ICE should have let him back out on OR.
Is there any proof that ICE didn't?
So those accusations aren't supported then, are they? No, they aren't, and are considered as just more gaslighting and propaganda, until proven otherwise.
Sorry. Experience has taught me to be very skeptical of the claims that the left makes - they've been proven false far too often.

They arrested more than 118 people, not 6 people.

If those 118 people were real criminals, you'd be showing me 118 names.

What this tells me is that 112 people were simply guilty of improper entry (similar to the misdemeanor, trespassing, assuming ICE detained the right people).

You should not put murderers in the same category as people who help with us with our lawns or building our houses. It's bullshit.

Trump supporters are fascists and racists who cannot tell the difference between a murderer and a day laborer because the color of an immigrants skin blinds them to logic and decency. You people just don't like people from central and south America. It's not more complicated than that.

 

[jaypatriot]

Why does MAGA get to do it, but no one else?

SO what you are suggesting is that the violent lawbreakers in L.A. are justified in unlawful rioting because Trump supporters did the same thing?
SO that makes it OK?

 

[Ikari]

SO what you are suggesting is that the violent lawbreakers in L.A. are justified in unlawful rioting because Trump supporters did the same thing?
SO that makes it OK?

I mean, if MAGA gets to sedition, just seems like everyone gets to, yes?

 

[sanman]

Their real crime is having brown skin and speaking Spanish.

You're right, they need to be white-skinned, and standing at attention
giving straight-arm salutes
while holding the wulfsangel

The CIA May Be Breeding Nazi Terror in Ukraine

The CIA has been secretly training anti-Russian groups in Ukraine since 2015. Everything we know points to the likelihood that includes neo-Nazis inspiring far-right terrorists across the world.

jacobin.com

Slava Ukraytheon

 

[anatta]

I'm skeptical as to the accuracy of these two assertions. Especially given that these are the people whom you are protecting:

The one asylum applicant mentioned in the cite article, given that he had a pending asylum hearing, ICE should have let him back out on OR.
Is there any proof that ICE didn't?
So those accusations aren't supported then, are they? No, they aren't, and are considered as just more gaslighting and propaganda, until proven otherwise.
Sorry. Experience has taught me to be very skeptical of the claims that the left makes - they've been proven false far too often.

these are from HSecurity, I dont know if the guy who was a criminal had to be let go (OR) or if he could be detained and still get his hearing

 

[Uncensored2008]

Scott Ritter is a pedophile.

Ritter is a nutjob, to be sure. He covered up the WMD's in Iraq.

But it is very useful to know that @Uncensored2008 believes it is "baseless slander" to report the fact that equally useful Russian stooge Scott Ritter is a pedophile.

The facts don't support your claims, his conviction, though bad on it's own do not prove he is a pedophile - regardless of the Ukraine propaganda you post.

And what is with the call out? You're replying to me.

 

[Athanasius68]

The statute is about enforcing federal law within the context of a rebellion or an invasion.

The phrase about enforcing federal law is about cases where order breaks down and the federal government cannot function.

The statute is not about enforcing federal law within the context of impromptu street scuffles, back-and-forth shoving, yelling, waving banners in the air, general protest activity, or the kind of sporadic, random, low-intensity violence that local police forces are more than equipped to handle. This statute is simply not about the federal government helping local law enforcement with street-level policing. And that is the claim your making, and to the extent Trump and his administration are trying to claim, that things are so out of control that the Guard and the Marines are needed, is a total lie. The President doesn't get to make a new reality where he can live out his fascist fantasies. He is bound by the dictates of objective reality.

It once might have been worthwhile to discuss whether a few days of such low level rioting to stop the execution of federal law should rightly be considered an "insurrection" or some such similar term (eg. 'seditious conspiracy) or just a riot to be dealt with according to local statutes.

But with the Democrats overwrought response to a three hour riot on Jan 6, that ship has sailed. Using force to oppose federal law was considered a serious federal crime then, and so it must be considered a serious federal crime now.
Trump is fully justified in federalizing the guard and deploying the Marines to protect federal property.

The plain language meaning of the term refers to the active members of the standing military of a country as distinguished from its reserve forces. Look it up in a legal dictionary, or just any regular dictionary.

The statute is about the president enforcing federal law, and what he can do should the regular law enforcement agencies are unable to carry forth their job.

I am not making the claim that the statute is that restrictive. For example, if you have troops stationed in South Korea or Germany, you can't quickly transport them to squash a rebellion stateside. And in a case like that you wouldn't need to call them back, you'd just make a determination they're not available to do the job.

Ok-- so Trump chose to federalize and deploy the Guard first to protect federal structures. I guess he is then sending in the Marines to do the same.
So-- what's the issue?

 

[Uncensored2008]

McCarthy was a decorated Marine combat veteran but you insist he was a Nazi sympathizer? Desperate whataboutism.

They have to lie and slander their opposition. Himmler is one of the patron saints of the democrat party.

 

[americanwoman]

Anyone know if any businesses hiring illegals are getting fined? All I seem to find is the people getting picked up but nothing about the employers.

I ask because rumor has it ICE is raiding a JBS plant near me right now. JBS is horrible - they employ children and put their employees at risk for low pay because they know they can since they are illegal.

 

[anatta]

5 more previously convicted criminal arrests from Sunday

ICE Continues to Arrest Vicious Illegal Alien Criminals as Rioters Continue to Disrupt Law Enforcement | Homeland Security

DHS released more information about some of the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens arrested during the ongoing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operation in Los Angeles.

www.dhs.gov

~~
I dont know the status of other arrest, obstruction, rioting would be my guess

 

[sanman]

And what is with the call out? You're replying to me.

He's trying to put up a smokescreen or a chaff cloud, sucking in other people. to derail things because he's losing an argument

 

[anatta]

These are the same "libs" who were all for the enforcement of mask mandates during Covid but enforce standing federal immigration laws, hell no.

only rioters get to be masked..ANTIFA are very good at doxxing

 

[Uncensored2008]

You can't support Trump setting things up in a way where he can justify murdering innocent civilians.

I have no wish to support your silly conspiracy theory - and it isn't mine to support.

You DO support the insurrection in Los Angeles, publically on this board.

I openly say I do NOT support the arrest of Gavin Newsom - though it is fully warranted. Karen Bass? Well, that I might support.

 

[anatta]

Marxist Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum calls on ICE to stop deporting illegals.

"They migrate out of need and send resources to their families from there”.

holy Batman. This is the mindset of the left. Open borders , remittances and the host country has to do it by not enforcing immigration laws. The USA law does not allow asylum for economic needs

 

[trixare4kids]

only rioters get to be masked..ANTIFA are very good at doxxing

No doubt the same caliber were also for ICE agents raid locations being doxed.
Do they have any clue as to what a dangerous position they willingly put authorized federal ICE agents in? Why am I asking? They obviously don't care. And then that idiot Hakeem Jeffries seriously asks why these agents wear masks.

 

[MTAtech]

Are you actually trying to justify the violent behavior of the rioters who burn cars, attack police vehicles, throw Molotov cocktails, block important highways, and threaten ICE officers?

Trump justified Jan 6 and pardoned those who pleaded guilty and those found guilty.

 

[trixare4kids]

Trump justified Jan 6 and pardoned those who pleaded guilty and those found guilty.

Presidents have the power of granting pardons and commuting the sentences of those who pleaded guilty and were found guilty. They all do.

Get off your soap.

 

[MTAtech]

You are, by extension, equating a decision to quell a rebellion by violent protesters to an "anti-democratic" power grab. What laws are ICE officers breaking by arresting illegal aliens in a sanctuary state/city that forbids its police from working with ICE?
From whom is Trump trying to grab power?
Feckless governor Newsom? Useless Mayor Karen Blass?

There was no rebellion. It was mostly peaceful. If you want and example of a would be rebellion, see Jan 6.
Trump’s objective is to grab permanent power. He wants to use the fiction of civil unrest to declare a state of emergency so he can suspend elections.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And it's classified as a misdemeanor, and the vast majority of cases aren't handled through criminal prosecutions. The vast majority are handled through civil procedures, even now, under Trump.

That's because due process for illegal aliens is deportation, per federal law - not prosecution.

And when Trump suggested he would go after real criminals like murderers, thieves, and rapists and not regular people you now admit he was lying?

He is going after real criminals. ICE targets criminal aliens. Why do you support violent criminals?

Non-criminal illegal aliens may be swept up during actions against the criminals, but are not directly targeted.

This has been explained to you before/

It was all about getting rid of everyone, wasn't it? That was your plan all along.

Getting rid of everyone?

Your conspiracy theory makes no sense.

And when you say you want a strong border, and an immigration system that is orderly, and you want immigrants to come in here legally, what you really mean is no immigration at all, ain't that right?

I could get behind a 10 year moratorium.

What this is really all about is that Trump supporters are racists who don't like people with brown skin who speak Spanish, ain't that right? Tell me that ain't the truth.

It looks more like the insurrectionists are racists - who support open borders until white people from South Africa show up.

BTW, what color are illegal aliens?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

It once might have been worthwhile to discuss whether a few days of such low level rioting to stop the execution of federal law should rightly be considered an "insurrection" or some such similar term (eg. 'seditious conspiracy) or just a riot to be dealt with according to local statutes. But with the Democrats overwrought response to a three hour riot on Jan 6, that ship has sailed. Using force to oppose federal law was considered a serious federal crime then, and so it must be considered a serious federal crime now.

Your political allies launched an assault on the Capitol Building in a deliberate attempt to overturn a President election representing 340 million people. That's a big deal. And it's not comparable to scuffles on the street.

Trump is fully justified in federalizing the guard and deploying the Marines to protect federal property.

Any President can use active duty military to protect federal buildings at any time. But the President cannot invent a rebellion that does not exist to coerce the Guard into performing street-level policing activity, nor can he invent a rebellion that does not exist to have the Marines target U.S. civilian populations.

The statute is about the president enforcing federal law, and what he can do should the regular law enforcement agencies are unable to carry forth their job.

No.

The statute is about enforcing federal law within the context of a rebellion or an invasion.

The phrase about enforcing federal law is about cases where order breaks down and the federal government cannot function.

The statute is not about enforcing federal law within the context of impromptu street scuffles, back-and-forth shoving, yelling, waving banners in the air, general protest activity, or the kind of sporadic, random, low-intensity violence that local police forces are more than equipped to handle. This statute is simply not about the federal government helping local law enforcement with street-level policing.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

The statute is about the president enforcing federal law, and what he can do should the regular law enforcement agencies are unable to carry forth their job.

No, that's not what the term "regular forces" means. Look it up.

 

[MTAtech]

Presidents have the power of granting pardons and commuting the sentences of those who pleaded guilty and were found guilty. They all do.

Get off your soap.

I’m not suggesting Taco lacked the legal authority to pardon 1,500 convicted criminals who attacked law enforcement officers. I’m saying he’s a hypocrite. In addition, while he has the authority to pardon he lacks the moral authority.

 

[eohrnberger]

They arrested more than 118 people, not 6 people.

If those 118 people were real criminals, you'd be showing me 118 names.

This an unfounded assertion. Those were the names made public.

What this tells me is that 112 people were simply guilty of improper entry (similar to the misdemeanor, trespassing, assuming ICE detained the right people).

Illegal entry into the country is a crime.
You just don't like enforcing existing immigration laws, so you are purporting and supporting lawlessness, and are protecting and wanting to keep people such as the 6 listed in the country, when by all rights they should be deported.

You should not put murderers in the same category as people who help with us with our lawns or building our houses. It's bullshit.

You don't like to acknowledge the fact of the types of people Biden's de-facto open border and failed vetting let into the country, I get it.

Trump supporters are fascists and racists who cannot tell the difference between a murderer and a day laborer because the color of an immigrants skin blinds them to logic and decency.

This is just your pushing the demanded leftist bullshit narrative and clearly showing your racist centric view of the world.
If that's the lens with which you view the world, that's all you see in the world - a self fulfilling prophecy.

You people just don't like people from central and south America. It's not more complicated than that.

Yet more of the same bullshit push narrative racism.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You claimed they are paid.

I claimed who specifically was paid?

I stated the fact that the insurrection is funded by the Soros group CHIRLA

I asked for proof. You got nothing but lies.

You support the insurrection and want to silence dissent. What can a leftist do but fling poo?

It's not like you're going to engage in a rational or adult fashion.

 

[anatta]

No doubt the same caliber were also for ICE agents raid locations being doxed.
Do they have any clue as to what a dangerous position they willingly put authorized federal ICE agents in? Why am I asking? They obviously don't care. And then that idiot Hakeem Jeffries seriously asks why these agents wear masks.

you do what you gotta do.