ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

[Fletch]

Yep

What is required by the constitution.

Which is what? Be specific.

 

[rahl]

Which is what? Be specific.

Deportation hearing, with legal council provided.

 

[jaypatriot]

This is a purposeful escalation and enticement of violence by this administration. Show me in his videos where the “violent riots” were that required federal agents to shoot gas at people.

Tell my why those protesters are stupid enough to be in a protest where the legal authorities need to use tear gas to maintain law and order.
You are defending criminals who are obstructing the enforcement of federal law.

 

[jaypatriot]

If tRump doesn't want to be compared to Hitler, he should stop behaving like Hitler. Godwin cancelled his own law, you know.

Who is Godwin? Some form of deity you through in to obfuscate and distract the readers because your logic makes no sense?

 

[Fletch]

Why not go where they'll get cooperation?

They are. ICE is rounding up illegals all across the country without being attacked by violent left wing mobs. Plus why would you want the federal government to ignore criminal activity just because local authorities refuse to act?

 

[Fletch]

Deportation hearing, with legal council provided.

Nope.

US deported more than 3M people during Obama presidency. Most did not have chance to plead case in court

Social media posts claimed "75–83%" of people deported during the Obama administration "never saw a judge or had a chance to plead their case."

www.snopes.com

 

[BirdinHand]

Tell my why those protesters are stupid enough to be in a protest where the legal authorities need to use tear gas to maintain law and order.
You are defending criminals who are obstructing the enforcement of federal law.

No, I’m sitting here wondering why anyone thinks it was necessary that ICE agents roll into residential neighborhoods in military vehicles and wearing what looks like military gear.

It’s so clearly performative to me, I’m actually baffled how others do not see it.

The very same people that screech and complain about Pride parades and children seeing drag queens are completely fine with children sitting in their neighborhood watching the government roll up in what look like military vehicles and hop out in what looks like military gear they’d crash into a war zone wearing…and then drag people away. Their neighbors. Their families. Their friends.


This isn’t normal. And I cannot, for the life of me, understand how anyone thinks it is normal or necessary or called for or good.

I can’t. And frankly, there’s literally nothing that anyone can say that will make me feel differently.

I’m ashamed of my country right now. The images I see - are heartbreaking. Deplorable. Alarming.

And it disgusts me that ANY Americans support this. To my very core, it disgusts me.

 

[Fletch]

No, I’m sitting here wondering why anyone thinks it was necessary that ICE agents roll into residential neighborhoods in military vehicles and wearing what looks like military gear.

It’s so clearly performative to me, I’m actually baffled how others do not see it.

The very same people that screech and complain about Pride parades and children seeing drag queens are completely fine with children sitting in their neighborhood watching the government roll up in what look like military vehicles and hop out in what looks like military gear they’d crash into a war zone wearing…and then drag people away.


This isn’t normal. And I cannot, for the life of me, understand how anyone thinks it is normal or necessary or called for or good.

I can’t. And frankly, there’s literally nothing that anyone can say that will make me feel differently.

I’m ashamed of my country right now. The images I see - are heartbreaking.

And it disgusts me that ANY Americans support this. To my very core, it disgusts me.

The cure for this is cooperation between local authorities and ICE, But you just refuse to go there because your ideological rigidity wont allow it.

 

[eohrnberger]

No, I’m sitting here wondering why anyone thinks it was necessary that ICE agents roll into residential neighborhoods in military vehicles and wearing what looks like military gear.

Because there have been leaks of their immigration enforcement operations which have put ICE officer's safety, as well as those being detained, at risk. This risk is further escalated by flash mob protestors and demonstrators at the location of the enforcement operation.

ICE needs to mitigate the escalated risk to their officers. As has been pointed out to you, in locations where local LEOs are cooperating, none of this is happening.

I'd call that a pretty clear cause and effect relationship.

It’s so clearly performative to me, I’m actually baffled how others do not see it.

See above.

The very same people that screech and complain about Pride parades and children seeing drag queens are completely fine with children sitting in their neighborhood watching the government roll up in what look like military vehicles and hop out in what looks like military gear they’d crash into a war zone wearing…and then drag people away. Their neighbors. Their families. Their friends.

Not related to topic.

This isn’t normal. And I cannot, for the life of me, understand how anyone thinks it is normal or necessary or called for or good.

It stopped being 'normal' immigration enforcement operations when the leaks and protesting / demonstration escalations at those leaked immigration enforcement operations occurred.

I can’t. And frankly, there’s literally nothing that anyone can say that will make me feel differently.

I’m ashamed of my country right now. The images I see - are heartbreaking. Deplorable. Alarming.

The solution would be for those leaks, protesting / demonstration escalations to cease.

And it disgusts me that ANY Americans support this. To my very core, it disgusts me.

You are blaming the not at fault party, which is part of your confusion.

 

[BirdinHand]

The cure for this is cooperation between local authorities and ICE, But you just refuse to go there because your ideological rigidity wont allow it.

There are actually very few areas where I hold rigid positions. I can see both sides of the challenge local law enforcement faces.

And I can appreciate the delicate balance they have to strike in their communities.

Life is rarely black and white. And there are a lot of considerations that local communities have to balance - if they’ve come to the determination not to get involved in immigration enforcement, I tend to operate under the presumption that they’ve done so for a valid reason until it can be proven otherwise.

 

[eohrnberger]

The cure for this is cooperation between local authorities and ICE, But you just refuse to go there because your ideological rigidity wont allow it.

Agreed.

 

[HenryChinaski]

The cure for this is cooperation between local authorities and ICE, But you just refuse to go there because your ideological rigidity wont allow it.

The SS and SA asked the same thing of citizens living in Nazi occupied Europe, ‘cooperation’

 

[BirdinHand]

It stopped being 'normal' immigration enforcement operations when the leaks and protesting / demonstration escalations at those leaked immigration enforcement operations occurred

Sounds like perhaps the problem is within the federal agency itself.

The blame is with the federal agency - not the people.

Hold the agency accountable. They’re the one with the power.

I tend to look up the chain of command when there are failures - not down.

 

[BirdinHand]

You are blaming the not at fault party, which is part of your confusion

Actually, the reverse is true.

 

[Bodecea]

Yep

What is required by the constitution.

Isn't it amazing how Former President Obama didn't need armored cars and masked thugs?

 

[Fletch]

There are actually very few areas where I hold rigid positions. I can see both sides of the challenge local law enforcement faces.

And I can appreciate the delicate balance they have to strike in their communities.

Life is rarely black and white. And there are a lot of considerations that local communities have to balance - if they’ve come to the determination not to get involved in immigration enforcement, I tend to operate under the presumption that they’ve done so for a valid reason until it can be proven otherwise.

Alright. That is a reasonable response and I dont necessarily disagree with most of that. But the problem is, the president has made it clear that he plans to enforce federal immigration laws. That 'determination to not get involved in immigration enforcement' made by local authorities is now going to run into a federal government determined to enforce it. If the position of local authorities will now result in riots and upheaval, then the local officials need to rethink their position and do what they can to keep the peace and uphold the law.

 

[Fletch]

The SS and SA asked the same thing of citizens living in Nazi occupied Europe, ‘cooperation’

Was the Johnson administration engaged in SS and SA tactics when they sent in the national guard to southern states who would not cooperate with federal law? Or is your argument just dumb.

 

[Grand Mal]

Why should we give due process to people that are in our country illegally? The don't deserve due process.

How do you decide they're in the country illegally? Because someone told you they are?
Careful.

 

[HenryChinaski]

Was the Johnson administration engaged in SS and SA tactics when they sent in the national guard to southern states who would not cooperate with federal law? Or is your argument just dumb.

Remember that entering this country illegally is a misdemeanour and over staying a VISA Is a civil violation. This evil shit that Trumps goons are doing is overkill, but that is the whole point.

 

[Fletch]

Remember that entering this country illegally is a misdemeanour and over staying a VISA Is a civil violation. This evil shit that Trumps goons are doing is overkill, but that is the whole point.

Well, when one of you libs comes up with a better way to remove illegals from the country, I will listen.

 

[BirdinHand]

Alright. That is a reasonable response and I dont necessarily disagree with most of that. But the problem is, the president has made it clear that he plans to enforce federal immigration laws. That 'determination to not get involved in immigration enforcement' made by local authorities is now going to run into a federal government determined to enforce it. If the position of local authorities will now result in riots and upheaval, then the local officials need to rethink their position and do what they can to keep the peace and uphold the law.

Why does only one side of the equation need to reconsider their position?


I can’t speak to LA - but I can speak to my small town in NJ.

If federal agents came here and approached my mayor and said “hey, there is a proven criminal at XYZ location - here is a warrant - can you help us apprehend them for deportation?” My mayor would likely give you his best officers to go and do it.

If federal agents rolled in in military style vehicles and hopped out in military style gear at the Home Depot? He’d probably be out there going “what are you doing and why are you doing that here…that’s not how we do things around here. This is a neighborhood and the people are generally decent people. Do you really have to act like this?”. Because his phone would be blowing up and social media would be blowing up over the SHOW and people would be scared, anxious, upset, angry, etc. When ICE leaves? Tjose
Local police still have to live and work here - and so do local officials.

The tactics of ICE are the catalyst here.

There is basically universal support for removing CRIMINAL immigrants. There’s much less support for removing people just because of their immigration status. And even less support for the militarized appearance and actions of ICE agents.

 

[jaypatriot]

No, I’m sitting here wondering why anyone thinks it was necessary that ICE agents roll into residential neighborhoods in military vehicles and wearing what looks like military gear.

It’s so clearly performative to me, I’m actually baffled how others do not see it.

The very same people that screech and complain about Pride parades and children seeing drag queens are completely fine with children sitting in their neighborhood watching the government roll up in what look like military vehicles and hop out in what looks like military gear they’d crash into a war zone wearing…and then drag people away. Their neighbors. Their families. Their friends.


This isn’t normal. And I cannot, for the life of me, understand how anyone thinks it is normal or necessary or called for or good.

I can’t. And frankly, there’s literally nothing that anyone can say that will make me feel differently.

I’m ashamed of my country right now. The images I see - are heartbreaking. Deplorable. Alarming.

And it disgusts me that ANY Americans support this. To my very core, it disgusts me.

If you, like Michelle Obama, are so ashamed of your country then why are you still here?
And why are illegal aliens so desperate to stay in this country?
And why are idiot supporters risking their lives and freedom to defend illegal aliens?
And why are millions of migrants anxious to get into our country?
Why are you blind to those obvious facts?
If it is such a terrible country then there are lots of dumb people trying desperately to stay here. Why is that?

 

[jaypatriot]

Why does only one side of the equation need to reconsider their position?

Because one side is clearly breaking the law.

 

[HenryChinaski]

Well, when one of you libs comes up with a better way to remove illegals from the country, I will listen.

Obama somehow managed to remove 3 million people without jackboot thugs terrorising communities and sending innocent people to an El Salvador prison to die. Maybe Trump should talk to him.

 

[Plasmaball]

This has not been my experience with @Lutherf, but then, I don't view the entire world through a racial lens.
Rare is it that any sane or reasonable person would.

Who says I view the world that way? Thats not a very clever way to dismiss my post. Which you are doing. Maybe try a better tactic next time or something.

My opinion comes from watching where and what Luther posts. Thats it. Immigration is gonna fall into a racial tone quite a lot.

Plus you have to factor in the idea of the message being done on purpose to flame people. Which a lot of people do. ( notice I didnt pin it to one group)