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ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

eohrnberger said:
This is nothing more than politically self serving supposition.
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There were records of a ten minute call between Jordan and trump on the morning of Jan. 6th, yet he couldn't seem to remember what that call was about. Do you seriously believe that he would forget a call with the POTUS so soon? Taking ridiculous positions isn't helping your case.

eohrnberger said:
Dug some Trump hating GOPers wasn't hard to do. Of course that they were Trump hating GOPers was the primary requirement, and Pelosi's picks were exactly that.
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It was a bipartisan commission. McCarthy had his chance to place non-suspects on that commission, but he took his ball and went home. None of this means that the evidence wasn't real. There is nothing any Republican could have added that would have changed the mountain of evidence against the attackers. Their refusal to participate was by far the most partisan thing about it. They refused to be on the Commission, and most refused to testify.

The evidence was overwhelming, and obviously harmful to the Republican brand, because their fingerprints were all over it. The number of trump banners at the riot looked bad. Refusing to participate and calling it a politically motivated hit job was just an effort to minimize the political damage. And some idiots actually believed this line of BS!
 
Athanasius68 said:
There could be an argument that states have a lot of responsibility and authority over immigration issues within their respective states.
Progressives, of course, are in no position to make it though.
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JMB1911A1 said:
Nope they are RINOs. Read their posts since being kicked out of office by their constituents. Cheney just hates Trump because her dad didn’t become President.
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Their voting records prove that they weren't RINOS. You don't get more conservative than Cheney. They just had spines, and that doesn't fit with MAGATS.

JMB1911A1 said:
Five people were arrested on weapons charges. Five out of 1500. Where all these weapons you think there.
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There was plenty of bear spray. Sharpened flagpoles. Arms hidden away for later, too. Remember how trump wanted the magnetometers taken away?
 
JMB1911A1 said:
mplete and utter bullshit. I can point to numerous incidents of Democrat lawmakers encouraging violence. Do remember Maxine Waters encouraging folks to “get in people’s faces” and “get more confrontational”.
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I said some are extreme. Will you acknowledge the same is true on the right?
JMB1911A1 said:
More bullshit. How about the Freddy Gray riots in Baltimore. Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake (Democrat) said "we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well."
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What about Jan 6th and Trump encouraging a mob to express their anger at his stolen election ? The right described that violence as " legitimate political discourse"

JMB1911A1 said:
They are criminals. They have violated immigration LAW
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Some have some haven’t but there is a huge difference between an asylum seeker and a murderer. TheJan 6th offenders were criminals too.

My point is the right is defining the lefts position through their lens. It's like me calling you a racist because that's how I think racists think. It's me defining you through my lens. Anyhow, not worth the conversation because clearly there won't be one.
 
Why must a Republican agree with everything the party does and show unquestioning loyalty to their leader? I was brought up to hold elected officials accountable to me! To question that which I did not agree with. To question and challenge and seek to ensure elected were held to a high standard was a voters and a representatives responsibility. Lock step....is too close to goose step for me.
 
Chomsky said:
Nonsense.
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No, the collision course was set for this escalation and confrontation, only a matter of when and by whom.

Chomsky said:
This is a matter of Constitutional Law.

Clinton, Obama, Biden all deported more, to little fanfare.
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Chomsky said:
This is a Trump problem. It only occurs under him.
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Only after a case of de-facto open border policies which have imported millions upon millions, with a large number of violent criminals included (and not sufficiently vetted).
This too part of the escalation to an inevitable confrontation.
 
 
Emlee said:
Cite the videos of police opening the doors so some could enter.
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Already been posted here, and Google is your friends, if you are that interested.
Or is it that you are ignorantly trying to deny they exist?
 
eohrnberger said:
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Nice try.

Doesn’t change your clear projection, distortions and cherry picking, nor does it change you hilariously tried peddling a long ago outdated article, while hilariously trying to claim you believe the FBI.

Yes, your posts amount to yawns.
 
eohrnberger said:
Already been posted here, and Google is your friends, if you are that interested.
Or is it that you are ignorantly trying to deny they exist?
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Yes I am.

So go ahead and cite those videos.

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Oh wait, I can cite when you tried peddling that claim before, when you claimed you saw a broadcast video that showed police holding open doors and inviting them into the building.

That was a lie.

Here you go, here’s the link:

Post in thread 'Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from 2024 ballot, pauses ruling to allow appeal'

Emlee said:
Really? You sure easily swallowed whole this whopper of a lie.
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I saw the broadcast video where capitol police opened capital door and invited people in on Jan 1/6. Yes.

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JohnfrmClevelan said:
I'm sure that in the subjective opinion of a number of people, Hitler wasn't an authoritarian. But the consensus agrees that he was.
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Still going off on the Hitler comparison. Has the election loss not taught you anything?

Is it not also true that it was Cohen who routed the payment that way?


JohnfrmClevelan said:
Can you provide citations that, for instance, dispute that trump did not comply with SC orders for two months? I know you hate the media, but that doesn't mean they always get the facts wrong.
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How long was it that Biden didn't comply with the SCOTUS Student Debt Transfer decision? And, in fact, created yet another of his admin's famous 'work arounds' to get around it?

JohnfrmClevelan said:
These protesters certainly heeded the call to battle. There were a lot more than Proud Boys and Oath Keepers beating up the cops and breaking into the Capitol.
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JohnfrmClevelan said:
But having those weapons in your trunk dovetailed perfectly with the other evidence of their planned attack.
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Which 'planned attack' which never happened was that one? Were you in their inner circle to know?

JohnfrmClevelan said:
FFS, how far out of the baseline are you willing to go to defend these assholes?
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Not defending them, you just want to believe that pointing out a truthful part of the law is defending them.

JohnfrmClevelan said:
You are defending them at every turn.
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Yet another accusation without substance.

I'm skeptical of all the left's usually false claims that he has 'defy the Constitution'.
Anything the left agrees with is suddenly a human right, and anything they disagree with needs to be prosecuted, whether the law or enumerated right to do so exists or not.

JohnfrmClevelan said:
He didn't "just do it anyway," he narrowed the scope of his plan to comply with court orders. Like a rational president should do.
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Yes, yes. Conjure up a 'work around' to skirt the letter of the law. My, how proud you must feel about that. Hell, Biden was proud of that, considering the number of times he used 'work around' in that context.

JohnfrmClevelan said:



It's just a fence. Grow up.
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JohnfrmClevelan said:
So the Capitol gets overrun during the electoral count, and you don't want an investigation?
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Investigations were conducted, by the FBI.
What you think was an 'investigation' was nothing more than a staged politics driven show 'trial' to arrive at the already per-ordaned and demanded conclusion.
 
And strangely, Trump didn’t call out the National Guard, send the Marines, etc. onnJan 6.
 
eohrnberger said:
Still going off on the Hitler comparison. Has the election loss not taught you anything?
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You guys are building a lot of your arguments on trump's win, instead of directly addressing the issues. What does it prove? That 80 million voters were idiots? Every election has a lot of voters on the losing end, it doesn't mean they made a bad choice, nor does winning mean you made a good choice.

The Hitler comparison is there because he is a pretty undeniable example of an authoritarian. You squeal at the comparison, but won't debate the reasons they are compared.

eohrnberger said:
Is it not also true that it was Cohen who routed the payment that way?
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Yeah, at trump's direction. So what?

eohrnberger said:
How long was it that Biden didn't comply with the SCOTUS Student Debt Transfer decision? And, in fact, created yet another of his admin's famous 'work arounds' to get around it?
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Not nearly two months. And work-arounds are perfectly legal.

eohrnberger said:
Which 'planned attack' which never happened was that one? Were you in their inner circle to know?
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Planning of the January 6 United States Capitol attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

eohrnberger said:
I'm skeptical of all the left's usually false claims that he has 'defy the Constitution'.
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You are "skeptical" to the point of absurdity. No evidence is ever enough for you. You eat up the right-wing narrative with the best of them.
 

JohnfrmClevelan said:
It was a bipartisan commission.
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LOL. In name only. My, you really are gullible when it comes to Dems, Libs, and Progs telling you things.

JohnfrmClevelan said:
McCarthy had his chance to place non-suspects on that commission, but he took his ball and went home.
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JohnfrmClevelan said:
None of this means that the evidence wasn't real.
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The one sided evidence which was shown, but that's the problem, one sided.
Why was exculpatory evidence excluded from presentation?
Why was obvious hearsay evidence included and given credibility?

JohnfrmClevelan said:
There is nothing any Republican could have added that would have changed the mountain of evidence against the attackers.
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Again, that which was chosen to be presented, all one sided. (See above comment)

JohnfrmClevelan said:
Their refusal to participate was by far the most partisan thing about it. They refused to be on the Commission, and most refused to testify.
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Which should tell you that it wasn't any sort of investigation or search for the truth, or to determine how to prevent a recurrence in the future.
That Commission was totally and wholly an exercise in political theater.

JohnfrmClevelan said:
The evidence was overwhelming, and obviously harmful to the Republican brand, because their fingerprints were all over it.
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Again, that which was chosen to be presented, all one sided. (See above comment)

JohnfrmClevelan said:
The number of trump banners at the riot looked bad. Refusing to participate and calling it a politically motivated hit job was just an effort to minimize the political damage. And some idiots actually believed this line of BS!
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"The number of trump banners at the riot looked bad." True, especially after the riot broke out. There's no denying that.
That can look bad, true, and also the House Select Commission was a 'politically motivated hit job'. Two things can be true at the same time.
 
eohrnberger said:
Investigations were conducted, by the FBI.
What you think was an 'investigation' was nothing more than a staged politics driven show 'trial' to arrive at the already per-ordaned and demanded conclusion.
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They had tons of evidence that led them to their conclusions. All you have is highly partisan "skepticism". This wasn't a difficult call. trump was on his way to being convicted in court before he ran out the clock.
 
LOL. And yet you keep injecting in a conversation which didn't involve you. Hmm. Most be something more to you than just yawns, eh?
 
eohrnberger said:
The one sided evidence which was shown, but that's the problem, one sided.
Why was exculpatory evidence excluded from presentation?
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WHAT EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE? You couldn't invent evidence that would overcome the mountain of incriminating evidence.

eohrnberger said:
Why was obvious hearsay evidence included and given credibility?
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What hearsay? (Again, this wasn't a court of law, but I think I know where you are going here, and you are wrong.)
 
Wow. I wouldn't surprised if the CIA was involved

 
eohrnberger said:
LOL. And yet you keep injecting in a conversation which didn't involve you. Hmm. Most be something more to you than just yawns, eh?
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That makes zero sense.
 
How quickly we forget. Pelosi suggested an independent commission with equal numbers from each party, but that was ended by a GOP “politically motivated hit job.” So she then named the committee, with five of its members named in consultation with the republicans. There followed another “politically motivated hit job” on very conservative Liz Cheney for her work on the committee.
 
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