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I was refused a firearm and I have no felonies, am not a terrorist, no domestic violence, no convictions for anything since I was eighteen.

JMB1911A1 said:
Asked and answered. You are a prohibited person under 18 USC 922 (g).

Two possibilities come to mind:
1) Use and possession of an illegal controlled substance.
2) Conviction of a crime that carries a possible penalty greater than one year (even if you don’t serve a year).
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Ok, I'm cool with your assessment. What I'm not cool with is why won't the government won't tell me when they turned me down? Why do I have to pay them to find out?

But again, no conviction, no felonies, just an arrest. Should that be enough to stop me from owning a firearm. Number two, is the government so petty they would use something against me that I did when I was a teen, over fifty years ago because I could have gotten more time? You complain about gun control laws, that's ****ing ridiculous and you know it. I will not be extorted to pay for why our government denied me to find out why.
 
bongsaway said:
Let me repeat, I'm not buying a firearm. I asked if anyone knew why I would be prohibited from buying a firearm since I'm not a felon? You then went on and on and on with your bullshit about the law and guns and a whole lot of ifs and maybes. The government won't sell me a firearm and they won't tell me why unless I pay them. You see my principles are more important than owning a firearm.
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I guess I just need repeat it, and eventually it will get through.

If one is a prohibited person, one can't legally buy, own, or possess a firearm. It doesn't matter why one wants a firearm. Those are just the facts.
 
bongsaway said:
Ok, I'm cool with your assessment. What I'm not cool with is why won't the government won't tell me when they turned me down? Why do I have to pay them to find out?

But again, no conviction, no felonies, just an arrest. Should that be enough to stop me from owning a firearm. Number two, is the government so petty they would use something against me that I did when I was a teen, over fifty years ago because I could have gotten more time? You complain about gun control laws, that's ****ing ridiculous and you know it. I will not be extorted to pay for why our government denied me to find out why.
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The information on how to find out appeal is here:

The only fee is to do the records check. That is standard for FOIA requests. No matter what the request is.

Yes, the law is the law. Potential for one year or more. In fact, you don't even have to be convicted.

18 USC 922 n:
It shall be unlawful for any person who is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerceany firearm or ammunition or receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

Question 21.c on the 4473
 
JMB1911A1 said:
The information on how to find out appeal is here:

The only fee is to do the records check. That is standard for FOIA requests. No matter what the request is.

Yes, the law is the law. Potential for one year or more. In fact, you don't even have to be convicted.

18 USC 922 n:
It shall be unlawful for any person who is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerceany firearm or ammunition or receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

Question 21.c on the 4473
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I am not under indictment.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
A simple FOIA request will tell you the truth. Either do that or stop whining about it.
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Trying to understand why I was turned down for a firearm with no felonies and no problems with the law since I was eighteen, until the illegal search and seizure is whining?
 
bongsaway said:
Trying to understand why I was turned down for a firearm with no felonies and no problems with the law since I was eighteen, until the illegal search and seizure is whining?
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And everyone here has told you the same thing based on the LIMITED information that you have provided. It is presumed that you are a prohibited person based on the drug use or the criminal arrest. If you want to find out more, you need to submit an FOIA request since the only people who know the real reason are the FBI.

You also don’t seem to understand the law. It is not felonies per se. It is ANY crime for which you are indicted or convicted where the sentence could be a year or more. Or any use of a drug. Or a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction.

Whining about it on an internet message board while giving out (very) limited personal information is not going to get you the answer that you seek.
 
bongsaway said:
No convictions since I was eighteen is a red flag to you? Should there have been more?
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Well, it does suggest that you had one or more convictions at or before 18, which likely played a part in your refusal to be approved for a firearm. However, if you just want to be evasive, I'll move on. Take care.
 
MAGAnificent said:
Well, it does suggest that you had one or more convictions at or before 18, which likely played a part in your refusal to be approved for a firearm. However, if you just want to be evasive, I'll move on. Take care.
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What is with you? It suggests no such thing, you are suggesting I had a conviction before I was eighteen, please move on with your stupidity.
 
bongsaway said:
What is with you? It suggests no such thing, you are suggesting I had a conviction before I was eighteen, please move on with your stupidity.
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I am only going by your claim that you had no convictions since you were 18. If you had no convictions ever, just point that out. Or don't. I do really care. Just trying to help you figure out why you were turned down for a firearm.
 
bongsaway said:
Ok, I'm cool with your assessment. What I'm not cool with is why won't the government won't tell me when they turned me down? Why do I have to pay them to find out?
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Because they don't do that.
bongsaway said:
But again, no conviction, no felonies, just an arrest.
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It's the arrest.
bongsaway said:
Should that be enough to stop me from owning a firearm.
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No but again you have to work within the system that exists I'm sorry it's not fair.
bongsaway said:
Number two, is the government so petty
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Absolutely 100%, it is all the time.
bongsaway said:
they would use something against me that I did when I was a teen, over fifty years ago because I could have gotten more time?
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Yes see above.
bongsaway said:
You complain about gun control laws, that's ****ing ridiculous and you know it.
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Yet here you are complaining about how these laws affect you that I think they're stupid because they're affecting you this way


bongsaway said:
I will not be extorted to pay for why our government denied me to find out why.
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Too bad for you. You can't fight City Hall.
 
MAGAnificent said:
My bad. I should have asked if you had any arrests.
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Unless a person is charged as an adult when they're a minor and this is what that means you were ever curious, all records of juvenile activity are sealed and expunged automatically upon turning 18.
 
MAGAnificent said:
I am only going by your claim that you had no convictions since you were 18. If you had no convictions ever, just point that out. Or don't. I do really care. Just trying to help you figure out why you were turned down for a firearm.
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Start by reading through the thread, that should help you understand.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Because they don't do that.

It's the arrest.

No but again you have to work within the system that exists I'm sorry it's not fair.

Absolutely 100%, it is all the time.

Yes see above.

Yet here you are complaining about how these laws affect you that I think they're stupid because they're affecting you this way



Too bad for you. You can't fight City Hall.
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Even tougher is trying to fight some of the folks on dp.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Truth is truth. I don't want to deal with the government either but sometimes I have to.
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Here's the thing you folks refuse to accept. I don't have to deal with the government. They made their decision and I will not pay them to find out why. As I stated over a hundred posts ago, I wanted to buy her one for home defense as a christmas present, period. It was never intended for me, even though I would have been the legal owner if I had been able to purchase the firearm. It's all you folks on the right who have tried you best to overwhelm me with bullshit and all the laws I'm breaking even though I'm not trying to purchase a firearm. You guys have made this thing into an issue, as usual all because I asked for some help in understanding their reasoning.
 
bongsaway said:
Here's the thing you folks refuse to accept. I don't have to deal with the government.
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I accept that, no you don't
bongsaway said:
They made their decision and I will not pay them to find out why.
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Then you remain in the dark.
bongsaway said:
As I stated over a hundred posts ago, I wanted to buy her one for home defense as a christmas present, period.
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bongsaway said:
It was never intended for me, even though I would have been the legal owner if I had been able to purchase the firearm.
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There is no registry.
bongsaway said:
It's all you folks on the right who have tried you best to overwhelm me with bullshit and all the laws I'm breaking even though I'm not trying to purchase a firearm.
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You just said you were trying to purchase a firearm.
bongsaway said:
You guys have made this thing into an issue, as usual all because I asked for some help in understanding their reasoning.
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I explained. It's probably your arrest.
 
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