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I even voted for Reagan one time although I wish I had that one back. The Republican party used to do things for the country not just their millionaire supporters. Eisenhower brought about the advent of our massive interstate highway system and had the good sense to warn Americans against a coming military/industrial complex.
Beginning when Reagan slashed tax rates for millionaires to levels not seen since depression days, continued to spend at an ever increasing rate then borrowed from foreign banks to cover the shortfall...our middle class has all but disappeared. I wouldn't vote for another Republican in a national election if I live to 100.
I might also mention that I went twenty years from 1984-2004 and didn't even show up at the polls. I kept waiting to see if the Republicans would change their stance on supporting nothing but the rich and corporations. When George W. Bush assumed a balanced budget with surpluses projected all the way to the out years, immediately cut taxes two times for his rich oil buddies, started two unfunded wars...one totally unnecessary then proceeded to double the national debt I began to vote for Democrats.
IIRC the Bush tax cuts kept everyone's taxes lower not just the 'rich'.
Dems OTOH want everyone to pay more except for their base who pay near nothing.
You see no issue with that?
I even voted for Reagan one time although I wish I had that one back. The Republican party used to do things for the country not just their millionaire supporters. Eisenhower brought about the advent of our massive interstate highway system and had the good sense to warn Americans against a coming military/industrial complex.
Beginning when Reagan slashed tax rates for millionaires to levels not seen since depression days, continued to spend at an ever increasing rate then borrowed from foreign banks to cover the shortfall...our middle class has all but disappeared. I wouldn't vote for another Republican in a national election if I live to 100.
I might also mention that I went twenty years from 1984-2004 and didn't even show up at the polls. I kept waiting to see if the Republicans would change their stance on supporting nothing but the rich and corporations. When George W. Bush assumed a balanced budget with surpluses projected all the way to the out years, immediately cut taxes two times for his rich oil buddies, started two unfunded wars...one totally unnecessary then proceeded to double the national debt I began to vote for Democrats.
I even voted for Reagan one time although I wish I had that one back. The Republican party used to do things for the country not just their millionaire supporters. Eisenhower brought about the advent of our massive interstate highway system and had the good sense to warn Americans against a coming military/industrial complex.
Beginning when Reagan slashed tax rates for millionaires to levels not seen since depression days, continued to spend at an ever increasing rate then borrowed from foreign banks to cover the shortfall...our middle class has all but disappeared. I wouldn't vote for another Republican in a national election if I live to 100.
I might also mention that I went twenty years from 1984-2004 and didn't even show up at the polls. I kept waiting to see if the Republicans would change their stance on supporting nothing but the rich and corporations. When George W. Bush assumed a balanced budget with surpluses projected all the way to the out years, immediately cut taxes two times for his rich oil buddies, started two unfunded wars...one totally unnecessary then proceeded to double the national debt I began to vote for Democrats.
I grew up in the MS Delta, and I was a strong conservative, too, if a bit younger than you. I voted for Reagan and Bush 41...and then I began thinking things through - come to think of it, I began to question conservative dogma when I saw them hold Oliver North up to be some kind of hero in the aftermath of Iran-Contra - and I voted for Clinton. For the most part the Dems were making sense, and the Republicans seemed to have lost any conceptions of honesty and (more than anything else) honor. I am now (to the everlasting shame of my family Down South) proudly a progressive liberal.
criticizes GOP for losing honesty and honor..but votes for Clinton.
does not compute ...:lol:
I have voted for Dems, Reps, and 3rd parties. I've never undergone a massive polar shift from left to to right or right to left...I feel no shame for voting for any of them ( even Clinton and W), and I feel no need to change
... I don't feel the "other sides" are stupid or dangerous, or treasonous, or traitorous.... they just suck, bigtime... they want to much power, they hold to much power and the exercise too much power.
I look at my party and think... "holy ****, I signed on with these retards why again ??...oh yeah, they are the only party that even remotely resembles my beliefs..." ... then i look at the other parties and think " my party sure does suck, but it could be worse, we could suck AND hold power over everybody like these 2 asshat parties"
Reminds me of the Reagan tax cuts. A millionaire got enough to buy a Mercedes and a working man got enough to buy a muffler for one. GET THIS.....TRICKLE DOWN DIDN'T WORK, HAS NEVER WORKED AND WILL NEVER WORK.
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Tax Rates For The Rich Slashed To Depression Levels)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
What did Clinton do that was particularly dishonorable? You might bring up Monica Lewinsky, but then he'd be in the company of LOTS of great, honorable men who did the same...and even the most honest men ever born (this side of Jesus) will lie through their teeth when asked to admit in public that they had sex outside their marriage. For the most part - as much as could be reasonably expected for someone in his position - he did fairly well...as did Bush 41 (except for Iran-Contra).
But the Republican party as a whole has rejected honor - hence their embrace of torture, eagerness to cut all aid to the poor and even to children, and now their willingness to force the nation to default (and thus drive the nation and the world into a recession worse than the last one) because the president won't bow to their every whim. No, as a whole, they've no honor. McCain and a few others still try to get the rest to see the light of reason, but they're just voices in the wilderness anymore.
So you voted for Reagan when the debt was below a trillion and in 4 years he ran the debt up to 2 trillion. A 1.2 trillion increase, shocking. No wonder you didn't vote for him twice. If you had voted for him twice, you would have been a part of increasing the debt to 3.2 trillion! A 2.2 trillion dollar increase.Disgusting.
Thank god you voted Obama in because the 7 trillion increase in the debt under his administration is just a fragment of what that so & so Reagan did.
I hope that when I hit the age of 83, like you are, just 13 years from now, my ability to process data has not been impaired.
Cheating on Hilary was one of the more respectable things that Bill Clinton did, IMO. If you were married to something that looks and acts like Hilary, you'd cheat too, and no one would blame you, in fact we'd all high-five you, even if it was with Miss Piggy.
Never mind that under Obama, the government has grown at a SLOWER pace than at any time since Eisenhower, our federal tax burden is LOWER than at any time since Truman, and the deficit has fallen FASTER than at any time since immediately after WWII, and the Dow Jones Index has more than DOUBLED since its nadir two months after Obama took office. Oh, and more illegals have been deported than at any other time.
Oh, AND he passed Obamacare - a plan conceived by REPUBLICANS, supported by REPUBLICANS for years, first implemented by a REPUBLICAN governor who became the REPUBLICAN nominee for president!
In other words, if Obama had an (R) behind his name, the Republicans would be calling him the Second Coming of Reagan. Heck, you'd be calling him BETTER than Reagan! But since he's got a (D) behind his name, well, THAT means he's a Muslim Kenyan Socialist who has a deep-seated hatred of white people!
Yeah, but Clinton has some pretty awful taste in women.
So you lost your way. It happens to some people.
if Obama is such a conservative rockstar like you say he is... why do YOU support him?...
Never mind that under Obama, the government has grown at a SLOWER pace than at any time since Eisenhower, our federal tax burden is LOWER than at any time since Truman, and the deficit has fallen FASTER than at any time since immediately after WWII, and the Dow Jones Index has more than DOUBLED since its nadir two months after Obama took office. Oh, and more illegals have been deported than at any other time.
Oh, AND he passed Obamacare - a plan conceived by REPUBLICANS, supported by REPUBLICANS for years, first implemented by a REPUBLICAN governor who became the REPUBLICAN nominee for president!
In other words, if Obama had an (R) behind his name, the Republicans would be calling him the Second Coming of Reagan. Heck, you'd be calling him BETTER than Reagan! But since he's got a (D) behind his name, well, THAT means he's a Muslim Kenyan Socialist who has a deep-seated hatred of white people!
I was an alternate state delegate for Hillary in 2008 - I said then that Obama would be a great president, but only if Hillary went first because America wasn't ready for Obama. But when he beat Hillary for the nomination, it was either him or bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran McCain. Or, more recently, it was Obama or "I don't care about the 47 percent of citizens" Romney.
There's a lot of liberal pundits out there who openly say that Obama's the best Republican president since Eisenhower - because that's what the numbers show. And what he has accomplished, he's done in spite of having to deal with the most obstructive Congress since the Civil War. Read that last paragraph again - it's very true.
But at least he gives a damn about the people. I know that most of you will violently disagree with that, but he does. What's sad is that while most of you think he doesn't give a damn, that he's the worst president since forever, very few of you even understand why you believe that.
I even voted for Reagan one time although I wish I had that one back. The Republican party used to do things for the country not just their millionaire supporters. Eisenhower brought about the advent of our massive interstate highway system and had the good sense to warn Americans against a coming military/industrial complex.
Beginning when Reagan slashed tax rates for millionaires to levels not seen since depression days, continued to spend at an ever increasing rate then borrowed from foreign banks to cover the shortfall...our middle class has all but disappeared. I wouldn't vote for another Republican in a national election if I live to 100.
I might also mention that I went twenty years from 1984-2004 and didn't even show up at the polls. I kept waiting to see if the Republicans would change their stance on supporting nothing but the rich and corporations. When George W. Bush assumed a balanced budget with surpluses projected all the way to the out years, immediately cut taxes two times for his rich oil buddies, started two unfunded wars...one totally unnecessary then proceeded to double the national debt I began to vote for Democrats.
I even voted for Reagan one time although I wish I had that one back. The Republican party used to do things for the country not just their millionaire supporters. Eisenhower brought about the advent of our massive interstate highway system and had the good sense to warn Americans against a coming military/industrial complex.
Beginning when Reagan slashed tax rates for millionaires to levels not seen since depression days, continued to spend at an ever increasing rate then borrowed from foreign banks to cover the shortfall...our middle class has all but disappeared. I wouldn't vote for another Republican in a national election if I live to 100.
I might also mention that I went twenty years from 1984-2004 and didn't even show up at the polls. I kept waiting to see if the Republicans would change their stance on supporting nothing but the rich and corporations. When George W. Bush assumed a balanced budget with surpluses projected all the way to the out years, immediately cut taxes two times for his rich oil buddies, started two unfunded wars...one totally unnecessary then proceeded to double the national debt I began to vote for Democrats.
so you support him because he isn't McCain ( I like that way you now revert to talking **** about him) or Romney.....ok, fair enough.
I don't think he gives a damn about any of us.... but then again, neither one of us really knows what he gives a damn about.
I see him as any other politician... a professional liar, a narcissist, and a basically corrupt public person.... he gets kudos from me about his family though.. he seems like a fine father and husband.
he has a good character.
anyways, there's no sense in trying to get me to choose a side between the Dems and the Reps.. It's not gonna happen....
it's obvious you think you know what other people feel, believe, or know... but keep your arrogance in check..you don't.
you're simply projecting your bias.
I think Carter was the worst President since forever... Bush 2 isn't far off...
Obama is actually nothing special.. neither devil nor angel..... not as bad as carter, not as "ok" as Clinton or Reagan....
he does have a quite the cult following though... I guess that's kinda special.<shrugs>
I was too young to vote for IKE, still in school but there was no better time to grow up as a kid than during the 50's. I too voted for Goldwater, my first presidential vote. I only voted for Nixon once, 1972 and Reagan once 1984. But from 1992 till the present my vote has been for a third party candidate 5 out of the last 6 presidential elections. Although I like Reagan and his defense policies, I detested his debt he ran up and I became a Perot man. I knew of Ross since 1969 when he flew into Vientiane to deliver Christmas presents for our POW's held by Hanoi. Being fiscally conservative and socially liberal, I really didn't like the so called religious right attempt to legislate their morals via government. I also found out the Republicans talk a great game when it comes to spending, remember the balance budget amendment, etc. But their actions have been for the most part the opposite of their rhetoric. So I can understand exactly from where you are coming.
You're spot on!
Have you noticed that after the debate with Bill Clinton and George Herbert Walker Bush when Ross Perot put it to both of them about NAFTA and said once it was signed the giant sucking sound would be jobs leaving America that no third party candidate has ever been involved in their debates again? That was over twenty years ago. The two parties have politics so wrapped up that what we really need is highly unlikely to happen.
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