I told you, I told you, I told you. Biden says he is against investigating trump.

[Craig234]

Unsurprisingly, he is wiser than the angriest portions of his base, who are poor at thinking through long-term second and third order effects of their decisions.

I think you have it backwards on who is better at understanding the long-term effects, just as Obama's choice not to uphold the law for politics was wrong.

 

[Hypothetical]

the plutocrats in control of DC are not your friends. perhaps an outsider like Trump is not either due to your beliefs, but the plutocrats never will be.

regardless of what you think of trump, we need outsiders to combat the plutocracy that is forming and now trying to take tighter an tighter control of the country.

 

[Craig234]

In every jury, there will be one Trump supporter.

We're all familiar with how Trump supporters think.

What exactly will the other eleven say to change that moron's mind?

Prosecuting Trump for anything is a waste of time.

Let them live with their delusions while that entire generation thankfully fades into oblivion.

I disagree. And even if the result were 10-2 or 11-1 votes for conviction, the mere investigations, charges, and trials proving the crimes would provide the American people clear evidence.

 

[Craig234]

Yes, but his feeling about it won't stop SDNY.

No, but as I said it will let trump get away with the worst crime and send the wrong message about the federal government putting politics ahead of the law, that presidents are above the law.

 

[Craig234]

I am against a congressional investigation. Why do we want to continue to give trump a bully pulpit in our government. When he is gone he is gone.

Let the IRS, state governments and his creditors have him.

Why did we let the Nazis continue to get a pulpit in the Nuremberg trials? When they were gone they were gone, no need for a trial where they got to defend their actions, right? Did those trials help or hurt justice and history?

The IRS (also presumably not holding trump accountable criminally under Biden) and the states cannot charge for the worst trump crimes. You are saying the president should be above the law for federal crimes.

 

[Craig234]

Hi Juluoto,

Maybe it is the other way around...

He knows there is state investigations, so he can comfortably say that he does not need to investigate Trump, knowing full well that he will be held accountable at the end of the day anyway. A smart diplomatic move if you ask me.

Joey

Nothing smart or moral or good politics about it IMO.

He should not be putting trump's corruption above the law and trying to appease trump supporters by saying 'trump committed no crimes as far as he's concerned'. It would be one thing if it were politically motivated to persecute trump - it's not, it's politically motivated to put trump free of his crimes, and bad politics, just like it was for Obama.

 

[Craig234]

Lets not jump the gun yet. While he said he did not want Trump to be constantly in the news going well into his admin, he also said he would not interfere with DOJ business. We'll just have to give it some time and see how it goes. The first order of business is to get the moron out of the WH.

Just like Obama had all the mealy-mouthed excuses for letting Bush officials and Wall Street officials not be prosecuted. Don't try to claim that holding trump accountable prevents 'the first of order of business' or removing trump. That's a false statement.

If the SDNY has a case or two they just can't overlook, I suspect they will quietly pursue charges. I would be happy with just one solid charge that sticks and makes him a convicted felon. Because all of us know he's been a criminal all his life. Perhaps Epstein's friend Maxwell will have some interesting news about Trump.

Remember how Democrats in the House refused to impeach trump for years, until polling finally showed the political cost to not doing so was getting too high for them, so they did for narrow issues on which the polling showed the feelings most supported prosecution? It's better trump was impeached for justice whatever the Senate Republicans did, than not impeached.

 

[Craig234]

That's basically what he's saying now too. He's leaving it up to the Justice Department. What's your beef? Oh, I know....Bernie.

No, he did not take the position that he is against investigating trump until after the election, and Bernie has nothing to do with this, you look like you are just trying to make smear attacks.

 

[Craig234]

Obama wasn't running in 2016

Did I say he was? But his Secretary of State, his party, his legacy, and the candidate he supported were running, and trump was.

 

[Yakshi]

I disagree. And even if the result were 10-2 or 11-1 votes for conviction, the mere investigations, charges, and trials proving the crimes would provide the American people clear evidence.

Okay, but remember the celebrations when OJ was declared not guilty?

 

[Helix]

i suppose that we should hope that Tweety pardons himself so that Biden doesn't do it.

 

[Craig234]

I am going to have to disagree with that. Allowing him to pardon himself would set the precedent for future presidents to do what ever the hell they want. I just don't see the SCOTUS allowing that no matter how many conservatives sit on the court.

Yup, though as you then note, the precedent is already set for them to pick a VP who will pardon them when they resign, from Nixon, and cold be if trump resigned for Pence to pardon him.

One of the worst things for democracy and the rule of law was pardoning Nixon. Perhaps if we had convicted Nixon for his multiple felonies, we wouldn't have had a Trump type who has always thought he's above the law. This sh** has to stop somewhere and this would be a good place to start.

And it's *Democrats* who are doing it - Bill Clinton, Obama, now Biden.

I agree, this practice of 'never charge a president for any crime' needs to end, and that includes looking for how to end the phony Justice Department rule created for Nixon of 'a president can't be charged in office'. It's a delicate issue threatening to allow corrupt prosecutions to overthrow the people, but needs to be looked at.

Remember what Roger Ails said when he started up Fox News. He never wanted to see another republican president go through what Nixon went through. I would say for the most part it's working. We need to put a stop to the lawlessness now.

Reminds me of Republicans saying their corrupt abuse of power impeachment of Clinton was justified as revenge for Nixon.

Ailes - who was Nixon's political media staff person and loyalist - was nothing but political corruption fighting for Republican lies to be spread.

 

[Craig234]

Okay, but remember the celebrations when OJ was declared not guilty?

I also remember that a low of people felt the trial proved he was, and that the prosecution was a lot better to happen than for him to not even be investigated and charged. And then he lost the civil trials and a lot of money.

 

[Razoo]

I see nothing wrong with this along as it does not interfere with other investigations. Having members of congress investigate themselves usually is not productive and much gets swept under the rug.

And I DO NOT WANT MY TAX DOLLARS spent representing Trump's defense in any fashion. The Koch/ALEC anti Americans will certainly interfere with bribery dollars if Congress heads up any investigation.

Let's keep a close eye on this matter. Let's encourage the New York team to get on with the investigation they have itching to introduce. Keep congressional politicians out of the way.

Make no mistake about I have thought of Biden as a Blue Dog Democrat for many years which makes him a DINO. Which means I was not all that surprised to read that Charles Koch contacted Biden upon
his victory.

 

[Craig234]

I see nothing wrong with this along as it does not interfere with other investigations. Having members of congress investigate themselves usually is not productive and much gets swept under the rug.

And I DO NOT WANT MY TAX DOLLARS spent representing Trump's defense in any fashion. The Koch/ALEC anti Americans will certainly interfere with bribery dollars if Congress heads up any investigation.

Let's keep a close eye on this matter. Let's encourage the New York team to get on with the investigation they have itching to introduce. Keep congressional politicians out of the way.

Make no mistake about I have thought of Biden as a Blue Dog Democrat for many years which makes him a DINO. Which means I was not all that surprised to read that Charles Koch contacted Biden upon
his victory.

Declaring trump (and by implication any president) is immune to all federal crimes, and that being vulnerable to state crimes is enough, for politics, is wrong.

 

[jnug]

Before the election, Biden told Democrats what they want to hear - trump will be held accountable by his justice department for his crimes. I said at the time, that is likely to turn out to be a lie. Now, Biden says he is against any federal investigation of trump, he just wants to 'move on', using the same infamous language Obama did when he broke his promise to hold Bush administration officials accountable.

Biden hopes to avoid divisive Trump investigations, preferring unity

Biden has told aides that he's concerned that investigations would divide the country but that he would leave decisions up to an independent Justice Department.

www.nbcnews.com

There will be plenty of investigations of Trump that will continue after he leaves in January 2021. Biden is going to be buried under an avalanche the wreckage that will be left behind by Trump....a volume of wreckage that grows greater by the day and is far beyond what even one year ago and certainly more than I expected four years ago.

I do not hold his current position vs his previous position against him one bit. Those that do need to grow up. Plenty of room for growing in the DEM Party.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I'm sure Biden and his people have already talked to Cuomo and NY...

They expect Trump to pardon everyone that has kissed his ass, no matter how dangerous to national security their crimes are/were. Including himself..

So it's all going to fall in NY's lap...

 

[Port & Starboard]

I'm sure Biden and his people have already talked to Cuomo and NY...

They expect Trump to pardon everyone that has kissed his ass, no matter how dangerous to national security their crimes are/were. Including himself..

So it's all going to fall in NY's lap...

New York being the most politically corrupt state in the country, I'll bet Ole Donnie could could take a few New York politicians down with him.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

New York being the most politically corrupt state in the country, I'll bet Ole Donnie could could take a few New York politicians down with him.

I'm surprised you singled just NY as being politically corrupt...

Go for the gold, say every single state that voted for Biden is politically corrupt... If you're going to get onboard with Trump and his conspiracies and Voight's video saying all Libs are evil and Satan.... Then do it right, go all the way...

Say it: All Blue states are corrupt and all Dem are evil... lol...lol...

And if you have been paying attention Donnie hasn't been very friendly with NY these past 4 years, he's made even more enemies here than he had before.. So if he 'had anything' he would have instructed his Butt Boy Barr(talk about corrupt) to go after NY..

 

[Port & Starboard]

I'm surprised you singled just NY as being politically corrupt...

Go for the gold, say every single state that voted for Biden is politically corrupt... If you're going to get onboard with Trump and his conspiracies and Voight's video saying all Libs are evil and Satan.... Then do it right, go all the way...

Say it: All Blue states are corrupt and all Dem are evil... lol...lol...

And if you have been paying attention Donnie hasn't been very friendly with NY these past 4 years, he's made even more enemies here than he had before.. So if he 'had anything' he would have instructed his Butt Boy Barr(talk about corrupt) to go after NY..

You can't prove your point, so you revert to your usual blathering.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

You can't prove your point, so you revert to your usual blathering.

What point do I have to prove.? You said NY is the most corrupt state in the country... The onus is on you, prove it.. You Trumpsters constantly throw accusations and conspiracies out there, then ask other to prove that you are wrong... No, no...No, no... That's not how it works.. Prove NY is so corrupt that Trump will take politicians here down with him...

I'll wait...

 

[Buckeyes85]

Before the election, Biden told Democrats what they want to hear - trump will be held accountable by his justice department for his crimes. I said at the time, that is likely to turn out to be a lie. Now, Biden says he is against any federal investigation of trump, he just wants to 'move on', using the same infamous language Obama did when he broke his promise to hold Bush administration officials accountable.

Biden hopes to avoid divisive Trump investigations, preferring unity

Biden has told aides that he's concerned that investigations would divide the country but that he would leave decisions up to an independent Justice Department.

www.nbcnews.com

When did he say this? I don't recall it, which is not to say it didn't happen. But certainly wasn't a significant campaign pledge of his. And why would he need to? There are plenty of other entities waiting in the wings for Trump to step out of the white house.

 

[Finch]

From what I have read Biden is not going to wedge himself with the back and forth legal battles of Trump...Biden said he will leave all of that up to the independent justice department.

 

[JoeyJoystick]

Nothing smart or moral or good politics about it IMO.

He should not be putting trump's corruption above the law and trying to appease trump supporters by saying 'trump committed no crimes as far as he's concerned'. It would be one thing if it were politically motivated to persecute trump - it's not, it's politically motivated to put trump free of his crimes, and bad politics, just like it was for Obama.

Hi Craig,

Looking at my post again, I think I implied that I actually agree with this as well. That is not the case. I was merely pointing out what I think Biden's motivation was for going about it the way he does. And that is in-line with his earlier comment that he wants to bring America together again. Openly chasing Trump does not fit that picture now, does it?

Having said all that...

As far as I am concerned he should be done for treason and I still think (I've asked before on this forum but did not get a response...) that this carries the death penalty in the US.

Joey

 

[Cork]

trump was gross for abusing the law to demand false prosecutions of innocent opponents, as an authoritarian.

That has nothing to do with Biden upholding the law by trump being investigated for real crimes. Biden is clear he won't be demanding it, the issue is how much he'll prevent it.

That's what I was saying. The president shouldn't be the one trying to prosecute people. If the fbi or DA office does it it's ok. Having the president direct people to get arrested is shifting towards dictatorship.

Trump was stupid doing it and I hope we get back to see normalcy.