"I see nothing but LOVE"

[Dragonfly]

GOD become a human to live among us and demonstrate HIS LOVE. HE suffered, bled and died to save whosoever will from the the penalty of our sinful nature from Adam. I see nothing but LOVE. Romans 5:8 But GOD demonstrates HIS OWN love for us in this: While we were still sinners, CHRIST died for us.

So let me lay out why I see this as clear nonsense.
First off, lets suppose everything you believe is true.

It all happened 2000-ish years ago in a very tiny, and specific area of the planet.
During a time when most people were illiterate and highly superstitious.

Since then, literally billions and billions of people were born and died all across the planet in places that could have never heard of any of the supposed life of Jesus.
People living and dying across vast oceans. People on different continents. For well over a thousand years from Christ's death, news could only travel by mouth. (And of course by sword)

So you're telling me "HIS LOVE" basically created billions of people knowing full well they'd NEVER know anything about Christ, but they'll be eternally destined to Hell because of it?
Where's the love in that?

The way your god created christianity it was destined to be an extremely geographical, and socially confined ideology that "he" knew would conflict with all the other geographically and socially bound ideologies. That's not "love". That creates conflict and at times war.

Why would your god expect people on a completely different continent, separated by huge oceans, to abandon their ideology for one that came to them through invaders hundreds of years later?

If your god would only accept one very specific brand of religion, and he truly LOVED all people, he'd have done a far better job of letting people all over the world know about it. There could have been a "Jesus" in every culture, on every continent, in every village.

If your god is "nothing but love", he/she/it will accept everybody regardless of what they believe while alive on Earth. For no other reason than "he" made us how we are.
He would not eternally punish a Jew, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, or Buddhist.

He would not eternally punish anyone for what they thought/believed/followed on Earth.

A god that's "true love" will despise the way people have weaponized religion.

"True Love" accepts flaws, and forgives human failings. (assuming any of it is a failing)

If your "god" won't lovingly accept ANYONE who is generally a good person, regardless of faith (or lack of faith), then your "god" is NOT a "loving god".
Your "god" would be a tyrant.

 

[TheGoverness]

I bet all those thousands and thousands of children and babies that God apparently killed in the Flood are feeling Jesus' love so much right now.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

The irony of all this is quite simple: If God really did exist, the first ones likely to go to Hell are those who preach every kind of intolerance in His name. They don't think about that. Jesus himself lived among the poor and sinful, but if you want to be a good Christian nowadays you better dress up in your fancies to go to church and stay as far away from the homeless as you can get.

 

[tosca1]

So let me lay out why I see this as clear nonsense.
First off, lets suppose everything you believe is true.

It all happened 2000-ish years ago in a very tiny, and specific area of the planet.
During a time when most people were illiterate and highly superstitious.

There's your biggest mistake with your argument.

What was forbidden yesterday.......................... is still forbidden today......................................... and it will be forbidden tomorrow.
GOD IS CONSISTENT!

 

[Dragonfly]

If God really did exist, the first ones likely to go to Hell are those who preach every kind of intolerance in His name.

Truth. Assuming "god" is truly "Loving".

 

[Dragonfly]

Talk about poor planning.

If you want the world to accept one religion, the absolute WORST way to go about it would be the way the Bible lays it out.

One guy, for roughly 30 years, in a very spastic and illiterate region of the planet. During a time when people were basically afraid of thunder.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Every time I watch an award show it never fails to amaze me. They drive past the homeless in their limo's, walk up the red carpet rolled out so their feet don't touch the dirt, past the hoard of fans, and then they get up there and thank God, first of all, for making them famous and rich. I mean, it would make so much more sense if he was a genie in a bottle they rubbed the right way.

You can tell who a person is by how they describe their God's desires.

 

[Dragonfly]

There's your biggest mistake with your argument.

What was forbidden yesterday.......................... is still forbidden today......................................... and it will be forbidden tomorrow.
GOD IS CONSISTENT!

Meaningless, and completely lacking of any context to the OP.

Not shocking.

Try something actually on topic:

Consider a native inhabitant of Australia that dies in the year 1200ad.
Would your "god" send that guy to Hell for all eternity for not believing in Jesus?

 

[tosca1]

Meaningless, and completely lacking of any context to the OP.

Not shocking.

Try something actually on topic:

I am on-topic.
I'm responding to your OP.........showing you the fallacy in your statement.

That you find it meaningless, does not negate from the fact that I've given (based on the Scriptures).

If you're going to delve into a doctrine - you better get a good handle on it..................otherwise, stop whining when someone sets you straight.
You're in a forum! In a theological discussion to boot!

Consider a native inhabitant of Australia that dies in the year 1200ad.
Would your "god" send that guy to Hell for all eternity for not believing in Jesus?

What does it matter where someone lived before Christ?
God-fearing people were saved by grace of their faith in God.



The requirement for salvation has always been faith. The object of one’s faith for salvation has always been God.
The psalmist wrote, “Blessed are all who take refuge in him” (Psalm 2:12). Genesis 15:6 tells us that Abraham believed God and that was enough for God to credit it to him for righteousness (see also Romans 4:3-8).
The Old Testament sacrificial system did not take away sin, as Hebrews 10:1-10 clearly teaches. It did, however, point to the day when the Son of God would shed His blood for the sinful human race.

How were people saved before Jesus died for our sins? | GotQuestions.org

How were people saved before Jesus died for our sins? Did people go to heaven before Jesus? What happened to people before Jesus died for our sins?

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[Logician Man]

What was forbidden yesterday.......................... is still forbidden today......................................... and it will be forbidden tomorrow.
GOD IS CONSISTENT!

You don't eat shellfish or wear mixed fabrics? You've never worn a man's garment?

 

[tosca1]

You don't eat shellfish or wear mixed fabrics?

You're talking about laws for Israelites. Laws for them were really strict in the Old Testament since they were supposed to be a nation of priest.
Some changes had happened with the coming of the Messiah.
you should read the New Testament.

When it comes to sins (as in the 10 Commandments) - nothing has changed.
GOD is cnsistent. What was sin, will always be sin.
Anyway, we're geting off topic.

 

[Logician Man]

You're talking about laws for Israelites. Laws for them were really strict in the Old Testament since they were supposed to be a nation of priest.
Some changes had happened with the coming of the Messiah.
you should read the New Testament.

tosca1 said:
What was forbidden yesterday.......................... is still forbidden today......................................... and it will be forbidden tomorrow.
GOD IS CONSISTENT!

 

[tosca1]

tosca1 said:
What was forbidden yesterday.......................... is still forbidden today......................................... and it will be forbidden tomorrow.
GOD IS CONSISTENT!

This is one of the reasons why nobody seems to want to get into a real discussion with you, directly.

Have a nice day.

 

[Dragonfly]

What does it matter where someone lived before Christ?
God-fearing people were saved by grace of their faith in God.

1200ad is NOT before Christ.

Stop stalling with your ranting, and put forth a straightforward answer.

What happens to the soul of the dead Australian in the year 1200?

 

[KevinKohler]

I am on-topic.
I'm responding to your OP.........showing you the fallacy in your statement.

That you find it meaningless, does not negate from the fact that I've given (based on the Scriptures).

If you're going to delve into a doctrine - you better get a good handle on it..................otherwise, stop whining when someone sets you straight.
You're in a forum! In a theological discussion to boot!







What does it matter where someone lived before Christ?
God-fearing people were saved by grace of their faith in God.



The requirement for salvation has always been faith. The object of one’s faith for salvation has always been God.
The psalmist wrote, “Blessed are all who take refuge in him” (Psalm 2:12). Genesis 15:6 tells us that Abraham believed God and that was enough for God to credit it to him for righteousness (see also Romans 4:3-8).
The Old Testament sacrificial system did not take away sin, as Hebrews 10:1-10 clearly teaches. It did, however, point to the day when the Son of God would shed His blood for the sinful human race.

How were people saved before Jesus died for our sins? | GotQuestions.org

How were people saved before Jesus died for our sins? Did people go to heaven before Jesus? What happened to people before Jesus died for our sins?

www.gotquestions.org

He said 1200 AD.

 

[tosca1]

1200ad is NOT before Christ.

What were you on about before the coming of Christ?

Stop stalling with your ranting, and put forth a straightforward answer.

What happens to the soul of the dead Australian in the year 1200?

Okay, let's answer this:

First of all, only God will judge what will actually happen to his soul - after all, we don't know personally what's going on with that guy..............................spiritually.
We don't know all the details that pertain to him. Only God knows.

If he had indeed REJECTED Christ - according to the Scriptures, he'll end up in hell.

 

[Ginger Ale]

You're talking about laws for Israelites. Laws for them were really strict in the Old Testament since they were supposed to be a nation of priest.
Some changes had happened with the coming of the Messiah.
you should read the New Testament.

When it comes to sins (as in the 10 Commandments) - nothing has changed.
GOD is cnsistent. What was sin, will always be sin.
Anyway, we're geting off topic.

You've sort of backed yourself in a corner with that one. I mean, Christians don't practice half of what that "consistent" God said, and they've added their own flavor that wasn't even in the Bible using his name to convey the threat in it. Come on now, look at how many religions there are based on that book, and how much they differ. There's nothing consistent about it.

Its obvious humans went from worshiping many Gods, to one God with many religions, just replacing their focus. Your God's original intent doesn't fit in todays society because it wasn't written to reflect it. Where's the update? Any sign of Jesus? It's getting harder for you people to function in a normal 21st century social climate.

 

[tosca1]

You've sort of backed yourself in a corner with that one.

How have I backed myself into a corner?
Where?

I mean, Christians don't practice half of what that "consistent" God said, and they've added their own flavor that wasn't even in the Bible using his name to convey the threat in it. Come on now, look at how many religions there are based on that book, and how much they differ. There's nothing consistent about it.

It's not about whether Christians practice them or not.
It's what's written.

Its obvious humans went from worshiping many Gods, to one God with many religions, just replacing their focus.
Your God's original intent doesn't fit in todays society because it wasn't written to reflect it.

God will not conform to modernity - so you can throw that out.

Where's the update? Any sign of Jesus?

Who told you there'll be an update?

It's getting harder for you people to function in a normal 21st century social climate.

Who cares about the climate?
This "social climate," has been prophesied - so, there's that!

 

[Logician Man]

How have I backed myself into a corner?
Where?

Here:

tosca1 said:
What was forbidden yesterday.......................... is still forbidden today......................................... and it will be forbidden tomorrow.
GOD IS CONSISTENT

 

[devildavid]

There's your biggest mistake with your argument.

What was forbidden yesterday.......................... is still forbidden today......................................... and it will be forbidden tomorrow.
GOD IS CONSISTENT!

Really? So when are you going to offer Mr. Consistent a burnt offering. The Bible says ole consistent god loves the aroma. Consistently, of course.

 

[devildavid]

You're talking about laws for Israelites. Laws for them were really strict in the Old Testament since they were supposed to be a nation of priest.
Some changes had happened with the coming of the Messiah.
you should read the New Testament.

When it comes to sins (as in the 10 Commandments) - nothing has changed.
GOD is cnsistent. What was sin, will always be sin.
Anyway, we're geting off topic.

That is right on topic and your claim of the consistency of god. How do you separate out these laws in the Bible as being from human beings or god? After all, we only have the word of Moses that he was given the 10 commandments. No one witnessed god giving them to him. So those laws are still just the laws for the Israelites as well. They are the only ones who received them. God didn’t say to spread those laws to other people, just his chosen few.

 

[Dragonfly]

What were you on about before the coming of Christ?

Quote what the hell you're asking here? Completely incoherent.

 

[Dragonfly]

Okay, let's answer this:

Again you didn't.

A native Australian, in the year 1200ad, would not have heard of Christ, but it's 1200 years after Christ's measly time on Earth.

He dies.

What happens to his soul?

You can't reject what you've never heard of.

Where's his soul?

 

[Daisy]

Again you didn't.

A native Australian, in the year 1200ad, would not have heard of Christ, but it's 1200 years after Christ's measly time on Earth.

He dies.

What happens to his soul?

You can't reject what you've never heard of.

Where's his soul?

He's sleeping in his grave, like everyone else, awaiting the resurrection, then he will get his 1st chance to learn about Jesus Christ...

 

[tosca1]

Again you didn't.

A native Australian, in the year 1200ad, would not have heard of Christ, but it's 1200 years after Christ's measly time on Earth.

He dies.

What happens to his soul?

You can't reject what you've never heard of.

Where's his soul?

Anyone who have never heard about Christ would most likely be treated like the folks who had lived before Christ.
If he has faith in God, he will be saved by the grace of his faith.




All people are accountable to God whether or not they have “heard about Him.” The Bible tells us that God has clearly revealed Himself in nature (Romans 1:20) and in the hearts of people (Ecclesiastes 3:11).

In reality, it is not that some people have not heard about God. Rather, the problem is that they have rejected what they have heard and what is readily seen in nature. Deuteronomy 4:29 proclaims, “But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul.” This verse teaches an important principle—everyone who truly seeks after God will find Him. If a person truly desires to know God, God will make Himself known.

The problem is “there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God” (Romans 3:11). People reject the knowledge of God that is present in nature and in their own hearts, and instead decide to worship a “god” of their own creation. It is foolish to debate the fairness of God sending someone to hell who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel of Christ. People are responsible to God for what God has already revealed to them. The Bible says that people reject this knowledge, and therefore God is just in condemning them to hell.

What happens to those who have never heard about Jesus? | GotQuestions.org

What happens to people who never have a chance to hear about Jesus? Will God condemn a person who has never heard about Him?

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