Racism is not a specific illness but a general sickness. Display one symptom and you display them all. If you show me an anti-Muslim bigot, I will be able to guess his or her views on the European Union, welfare state, crime and “political correctness”. Show me a leftwing or Islamist antisemite and, once again, he will carry a suitcase full of prejudices, which have nothing to do with Jews, but somehow have everything to do with Jews.
The Labour party does not have a “problem with antisemitism” it can isolate and treat, like a patient asking a doctor for a course of antibiotics. The party and much of the wider liberal-left have a chronic condition.
Allow me to state the moral argument as baldly as I can. Not just in Paris, but in Marseille, Copenhagen and Brussels, fascistic reactionaries are murdering Jews – once again. Go to any British synagogue or Jewish school and you will see police officers and volunteers guarding them. I do not want to tempt fate, but if British Jews were murdered, the leader of the Labour party would not be welcome at their memorial. The mourners would point to the exit and ask him to leave.
The reason for this turns out to be pretty simple: Muslims coming into the UK. Money coming from the Saudis. British politicians who want to be elected from predominantly Muslim districts. Having a reasonable attitude toward Jews and Israel will get you accused of being a Zionist among such people. A two state solution is not acceptable, only wiping Israel off of the face of the earth will do. And the morals of progressives are infinitely malleable. Drag a wad of cash though Parliament and it's astonishing what you can get them to say and do.
If they don't like it here, they can leave.
Jews and other subversive minorities should not be pandered to.
I must admit I find it a little disturbing that a proud anti-Semite 'likes' so many of my responses to LowDown :lol:
To clarify, I'm not even sure that LowDown is so naive - or so bigoted - that he really equates Jewish people with the state of Israel and its policies. His obsession with race and allegations of racism most likely is purely a would-be political bludgeon, as is clearly demonstrated by
- this thread's emphases on 'leftwing' and 'progressive' targets,
- his earlier thread's insistence that 'open anti-semitism' is rampant especially on 'left leaning' college campuses,
- the stark contradiction between that and his claim, in an OP less than 24 hours prior, that on college campuses fake hate crimes are 'just about' the only type to occur,
- and the open presumption in that thread that his subjects, the black students perpetrating a fake hate crime, must represent a left wing perspective.
His opposition to anti-Semitism would be admirable, if that's what it really was, rather than thinly veiled partisan propaganda which actually uses bigotry to attack more targets.
If they don't like it here, they can leave.
Jews and other subversive minorities should not be pandered to.
If they don't like it here, they can leave.
Jews and other subversive minorities should not be pandered to.
I must admit I find it a little disturbing that a proud anti-Semite 'likes' so many of my responses to LowDown :lol:
To clarify, I'm not even sure that LowDown is so naive - or so bigoted - that he really equates Jewish people with the state of Israel and its policies.
There's really no reason to accuse him of dishonesty.
Lowdown is a right-liberal, which basically means that he approves of liberalism, but not its real world results. In order to avoid the cognitive dissonance, it's necessary for right-liberals to imagine that left-liberals are maliciously trying to subvert real liberalism, and that's why it's been a failure. Admitting that leftism is simply the results of boba dose liberals implementing their ideas, would result in the realization that liberalism itself is insane.
So his automatic association of everything he disapproves of with the left is simply his honest worldview.
Also, as a real (and thus imperfect) liberal, he holds a number of unprincipled exceptions to liberalism (as do leftists, though they generally hold less). This requires another mental block to prevent cognitive dissonance. I doubt it's even occurred to him that his whining about the plight of the Jews is similar to SJW whining about other minorities.
Psycologicizing one's opponents is an admission of intellectual bankruptcy. One would do better just to come to terms with the fact that reasonable people don't always agree.
I'm not psychoanalyzing you. I'm discussing right-liberalism as an ideology, and how it justifies itself. I couldn't care less what personally motivates you.
Those who are without bigotry and prejudice, cast the first stone.
If they don't like it here, they can leave.
Jews and other subversive minorities should not be pandered to.
Well, it's a half baked argument no matter how you cut it.
What you mean by "right-liberal" is anyone's guess.
Do you hate Jews because you are religious or because they have hurt you in some way?
Do you hate Jews because you are religious or because they have hurt you in some way?
For reference, the only thing I was arguing in the post in question was that Mithrae's accusation of dishonesty against you was unfounded.
I explained it in the post you quoted earlier. You are a liberal (you believe that promoting freedom is the purpose of government), but you dislike the actual effects of that ideology being implemented in the real world.
I do not hate anyone. I disapprove of Jews because they killed Jesus Christ, and continue to stubbornly reject him to this day.
That reminds me of a joke I heard in Catholic high school ...
A black man was working on a fence by a cliff when he accidentally tripped and fell over the side and tumbled down the cliff until he caught a branch half way down and was left dangling helplessly there.
So he prayed, "God please help me, please save me, I don't wanna die!"
Just about that time an angel came flying up and stopped midair next to him.
The black man saw the angel and cried out "Thank you God, thank you Jesus, praise the Lord, thank you for sending an angel!"
The angel then said, "Do you have faith, brother?"
The black man replied, "Oh yes I have faith, I promise, yes, I do!"
Then the angel said, "Ok if you have faith, then let go!"
"What?!" replied the black man, "Let go ??"
"Yes," replied the angel, "let go."
"OK," answered the black man and he just let go, at which moment he tumbled down the rest of the way and was killed.
Then as the angel was flying away he said to himself, "I don't know how I ever became an angel, as much as I hate N.......".
Satan was once an angel. 8)
Psycologicizing one's opponents is an admission of intellectual bankruptcy. One would do better just to come to terms with the fact that reasonable people don't always agree.
No, I don't.To clarify, I'm not even sure that LowDown is so naive - or so bigoted - that he really equates Jewish people with the state of Israel and its policies.
There are none so blind as those who don't want to see. Anti-Zionism is always anti-Semitism. Discuss these issues with these people for a few minutes and the hatred of Jews as Jews will become plain.Mithrae said:Perhaps you should have spent more than 5 seconds: Both of those are about anti-Israeli protests/groups. There are some people in such groups who are hateful of the Jewish ethnicity, no doubt. So good, you've found one or two examples. But you're a far cry from the hyperbolic claims made in your opening post. There's nothing to suggest that they are anything but a minority. In fact your first source specifically notes that one such group is "filled with young Jews." A less blinkered person might note that associating certain governmental/political policies - such as those of Israel - with an entire ethnic group is itself the very epitome of racial stereotyping and prejudice. Jews are people, with their own personalities, histories, opinions, hopes and dreams: They are not automatons inextricably bound and interchangeable with a particular state.
What is Israel if not Jews?
The reason for this turns out to be pretty simple: Muslims coming into the UK. Money coming from the Saudis. British politicians who want to be elected from predominantly Muslim districts. Having a reasonable attitude toward Jews and Israel will get you accused of being a Zionist among such people. A two state solution is not acceptable, only wiping Israel off of the face of the earth will do. And the morals of progressives are infinitely malleable. Drag a wad of cash though Parliament and it's astonishing what you can get them to say and do.
Yes, you do:
As I've said, I suspect it's more a case of your blind hyper-partisanship and compulsive propaganda that's really in play here, rather than actual racial prejudice. But that is hardly a redeeming quality.
It's a country with a government, a military, legislation, economic and foreign policies and so on... a concept which you seem to have difficulty comprehending.
By definition, 100% of US citizens are Americans - and over 90% of Americans live in America. Yet only truly stupid people would declare that criticisms - even harsh criticism - of the US government's actions under the Obama administration, or under the Bush administration, or even under a whole string of administrations equates with dislike or hatred of the American people.
If they don't like it here, they can leave.
Jews and other subversive minorities should not be pandered to.
It was founded as a Jewish state for the Jews, a concept that was ratified by the United Nations.It's a country with a government, a military, legislation, economic and foreign policies and so on... a concept which you seem to have difficulty comprehending.What is Israel if not Jews?
And yet the two usually do go hand in hand, especially when the criticisms are leveled by foreigners.By definition, 100% of US citizens are Americans - and over 90% of Americans live in America. Yet only truly stupid people would declare that criticisms - even harsh criticism - of the US government's actions under the Obama administration, or under the Bush administration, or even under a whole string of administrations equates with dislike or hatred of the American people.
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