I refuse to vote for Mitt Romney

[TheNextEra]

No, but those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Further we have 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans paying very little in FIT so how does raising taxes put them back to work? Do you spend more when you have less take home pay?

If the govt. raises taxes what does that do to personal spending thus corporate taxes?

Paying down the debt and increasing jobs are two seperate issues.

Tell me Con, how does eliminating government jobs put people back to work? That is what you and your GOP cronies want to do.

 

[Conservative]

Paying down the debt and increasing jobs are two seperate issues.

Tell me Con, how does eliminating government jobs put people back to work? That is what you and your GOP cronies want to do.

Eliminating govt. jobs means less govt. spending and thus the need for lower taxes which puts more money into the hands of the people and thus new industries being created.

 

[AdamT]

Eliminating govt. jobs means less govt. spending and thus the need for lower taxes which puts more money into the hands of the people and thus new industries being created.

So you think it's a GOOD thing that the economy is losing 20,000 - 30,000 public sector jobs every month, right? But you still attack Obama over unemployment, even though it would be lower but for shrinking state and local government? Hmmm.

 

[TheNextEra]

Eliminating govt. jobs means less govt. spending and thus the need for lower taxes which puts more money into the hands of the people and thus new industries being created.

It also puts more people UNEMPLOYED. Again, that doesn't help jobs.

So the GOP plan is to eliminate jobs. Nice.

 

[Conservative]

So you think it's a GOOD thing that the economy is losing 20,000 - 30,000 public sector jobs every month, right? But you still attack Obama over unemployment, even though it would be lower but for shrinking state and local government? Hmmm.

Govt jobs create taxpayer debt and produce nothing of substance other than that debt. Right now the private sector job growth and labor force continues to decline. People keep dropping out of the labor force and now you and others want them to go to work for the taxpayer?

 

[Conservative]

It also puts more people UNEMPLOYED. Again, that doesn't help jobs.

So the GOP plan is to eliminate jobs. Nice.

That is your opinion, just like it appears to be your opinion that we have a set economy that isn't growing and that their aren't any jobs out there for the private sector. That is what liberals want you to believe. Doesn't seem you have a clue how the private sector economy works and how it is ever changing.

 

[TheNextEra]

That is your opinion, just like it appears to be your opinion that we have a set economy that isn't growing and that their aren't any jobs out there for the private sector. That is what liberals want you to believe. Doesn't seem you have a clue how the private sector economy works and how it is ever changing.

It's not opinion, it's fact. Eliminating government jobs will make those people UNEMPLOYED. Not my fault you don't want to stand behind the REAL GOP slogan "We want to create more unemployed people".

Yet again proof that you and the rest of the GOP are out of touch with the people.

 

[hazlnut]

Govt jobs create taxpayer debt and produce nothing of substance other than that debt.

Teacher, policeman, firefighter, solider, judge, prosecutor, bus driver...

All government jobs.

"Nothing of substance" is the type of ignorant talking point being spewed from Fox Newies...

 

[Conservative]

It's not opinion, it's fact. Eliminating government jobs will make those people UNEMPLOYED. Not my fault you don't want to stand behind the REAL GOP slogan "We want to create more unemployed people".

Yet again proof that you and the rest of the GOP are out of touch with the people.

Yes, it is your opinion because there are private sector jobs out there that the people just don't want because it isn't THE job. If there were no private sector jobs then that would be one thing, but far too many want to sit on their asses collecting taxpayer funded unemployment for two years rather than taking a job in the private sector actually earning a paycheck.

 

[AdamT]

Govt jobs create taxpayer debt and produce nothing of substance other than that debt. Right now the private sector job growth and labor force continues to decline. People keep dropping out of the labor force and now you and others want them to go to work for the taxpayer?

Since you favor cutting government jobs, then, you ought to discount the government jobs lost when you criticize Obama over unemployment. Right? I mean, the private sector added 212,000 jobs in December while the Public sector lost 12,000 jobs. Since Obama came into office state and local governments have shed about half a million jobs. Surely you will deduct those from Obama's negative category, right? Because you consider those GOOD job losses?

 

[Conservative]

Teacher, policeman, firefighter, solider, judge, prosecutor, bus driver...

All government jobs.

"Nothing of substance" is the type of ignorant talking point being spewed from Fox Newies...

All paid for at the state level, not the Federal level. You don't seem to understand what the role of the state and federal taxpayer is

 

[Conservative]

Since you favor cutting government jobs, then, you ought to discount the government jobs lost when you criticize Obama over unemployment. Right? I mean, the private sector added 212,000 jobs in December while the Public sector lost 12,000 jobs. Since Obama came into office state and local governments have shed about half a million jobs. Surely you will deduct those from Obama's negative category, right? Because you consider those GOOD job losses?

That is why I show you private sector jobs and that there are less today than when Obama took office and 5.6 million less than when the recession began. That with a declining labor force should concern all Americans.

 

[AdamT]

That is why I show you private sector jobs and that there are less today than when Obama took office and 5.6 million less than when the recession began. That with a declining labor force should concern all Americans.

You also regularly cite unemployment numbers and make no allowance for the lost jobs that you say we are better off without.

 

[Conservative]

You also regularly cite unemployment numbers and make no allowance for the lost jobs that you say we are better off without.

I also cite the growing population and more people entering the work force, more than enough to prevent the unemployment rate from being where it is today but you ignore that reality.

 

[TheNextEra]

Yes, it is your opinion because there are private sector jobs out there that the people just don't want because it isn't THE job.

So you have proof that everyone that you want to eliminate jobs for will have a job in the private sector? Riiiiighhhht. I don't think so.

Again, you show, you care nothing about creating jobs. In fact, just the oposite in the fact that you want to put more people unemployed.

 

[AdamT]

I also cite the growing population and more people entering the work force, more than enough to prevent the unemployment rate from being where it is today but you ignore that reality.

I thought you said the work force was shrinking? At least try to be consistent.

 

[Conservative]

So you have proof that everyone that you want to eliminate jobs for will have a job in the private sector? Riiiiighhhht. I don't think so.

Again, you show, you care nothing about creating jobs. In fact, just the oposite in the fact that you want to put more people unemployed.

You obviously live in the wrong country if you are looking for guarantees on anything. Creating jobs is the role of the private sector, not the public sector because apparently you have no idea who pays for those public sector jobs. Too many liberals do not seem to understand the private sector and that people aren't going to be successful and you can never legislate equal outcome. IMO the benefits of capitalism are better than the alternative as there are greater opportunities in this country than any other country in the world. Guaranteeing equal outcome destroys incentive and wouldn't have created the greatest country on the face of the earth.

 

[Rhapsody1447]

So you have proof that everyone that you want to eliminate jobs for will have a job in the private sector? Riiiiighhhht. I don't think so.

Again, you show, you care nothing about creating jobs. In fact, just the oposite in the fact that you want to put more people unemployed.

I'm not one to argue that more jobs is always a good thing. The composition of jobs and their productivity is just as important. One of the reasons hiring has been so slow is that employers are realizing that they can operate more efficiently with less employees. Employment gain without productivity gain does nothing but increase costs and inflate prices in the short term. I hate to see the jobs number used so frequently as some omnibenevolent indicator, and that goes for both the private and public sector.

 

[Conservative]

I'm not one to argue that more jobs is always a good thing. The composition of jobs and their productivity is just as important. One of the reasons hiring has been so slow is that employers are realizing that they can operate more efficiently with less employees. Employment gain without productivity gain does nothing but increase costs and inflate prices in the short term. I hate to see the jobs number used so frequently as some omnibenevolent indicator, and that goes for both the private and public sector.

That is an absolutely great point and one that i have overlooked. Govt. jobs create income that affect supply and demand without really producing anything thus that will drive up inflation as there is more demand than supply without an increase in production and that leads to inflation hurting the American consumer.

 

[TheNextEra]

You obviously live in the wrong country if you are looking for guarantees on anything. Creating jobs is the role of the private sector, not the public sector because apparently you have no idea who pays for those public sector jobs. Too many liberals do not seem to understand the private sector and that people aren't going to be successful and you can never legislate equal outcome. IMO the benefits of capitalism are better than the alternative as there are greater opportunities in this country than any other country in the world. Guaranteeing equal outcome destroys incentive and wouldn't have created the greatest country on the face of the earth.

Translation: You don't care if people get unemployed.

That's all you really had to say.

 

[TheNextEra]

I'm not one to argue that more jobs is always a good thing. The composition of jobs and their productivity is just as important. One of the reasons hiring has been so slow is that employers are realizing that they can operate more efficiently with less employees. Employment gain without productivity gain does nothing but increase costs and inflate prices in the short term. I hate to see the jobs number used so frequently as some omnibenevolent indicator, and that goes for both the private and public sector.

So then the answer should not be elimiate jobs and put more people in that grind of unemployment. The point is that Con and other conservatives 9so it seems) want to eliminate government jobs and put more people in the unemployment line. Sorry, right now that is not the answer.

When the GOP can show that it's method will create jobs, THEN I would be more than happy to entertain the notion of cutting government jobs. But not until then.

 

[Conservative]

Translation: You don't care if people get unemployed.

That's all you really had to say.

Rhapsody said it best and answered your claims

 

[AdamT]

Translation: You don't care if people get unemployed.

That's all you really had to say.

I'm sure he will now turn to praising Obama, as under his watch corporations have become so much more efficient.

 

[TheNextEra]

Rhapsody said it best and answered your claims

Yes, he answer it. You want to put more people in the unemployment grind.

There is a jobs problem in the U.S. and you are wanting to add to it. No thanks.

 

[LastChance12]

Should we create more government jobs? Because that would really help unemployment.