I refuse to vote for Mitt Romney

[AdamT]

The point is there is more to those liberals that meet the eye and you buy the rhetoric and ignore what goes on behind the scenes and their actions are quite different than their words. Obama lies to you but because you want to believe the rhetoric you ignore the results.

You mean ... it's all a CONSPIRACY!? You need to get on the Paul bandwagon.

 

[Conservative]

And the conservative way woulda been????:shock: Do you think public spending should have been curtailed? Even Herbert Hoover saw the wisdom of building public projects during a downturn; such as the San Francisco Bay Bridge,the Los Angeles Aqueduct, and Hoover Dam.

i think private sector spending is the key to economic growth especially in a country where the private sector is over two thirds of the economy. There is a role for the public sector but it doesn't take a genius to see the difference between leadership skills of Obama vs Reagan both of whom inherited terrible economies. Do some research and see how both addressed the issue with the American people and then compare the results.

 

[Conservative]

You mean ... it's all a CONSPIRACY!? You need to get on the Paul bandwagon.

Right, anything that flies in the face of what you believe is a conspiracy and cannot possibly be true

 

[AdamT]

Right, anything that flies in the face of what you believe is a conspiracy and cannot possibly be true

Not at all. But it is a conspiracy theory when you assert, without the benefit of ... you know ... FACTS, that there are secret motivations moving events that only you seem to be privy to.

 

[randel]

The point is there is more to those liberals that meet the eye and you buy the rhetoric and ignore what goes on behind the scenes and their actions are quite different than their words. Obama lies to you but because you want to believe the rhetoric you ignore the results.

hmmmm...personal story that starts with 'i had a friend'...???:lamo hmmm...that makes it second hand, which makes it hearsay....you run with this because it supports your biases, it supports your view that liberals are all no good rotten scum....more to liberals than meets the eye eh? have you ever considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, you are the one who has been lied to? did that possibility ever cross your mind? or is your hatred so deep for those with differing views that you will run with and attempt to smear those people with anything you possibly can? come on man, a second hand story? really??:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo and you wonder why no one takes you seriously

 

[00timh]

I seem to recall Conservatives declaring victory after taking the House in 2010. Much of it fueled by the Tea Party which is also largely Conservative. It's not unreasonable to call this House Conservative-led.

Of course they declared victory. And there were a few actual conservatives elected. Still, a lot of rinos though and the leadership of Boehner and McConnel is horrendes. Now look at Romney who has shown to be more liberal than the blue dogs that helped the dems win in 06. I think the TPM will have another resurrgence even if Romney goes on to win the general, provided he wins the nomination. A lot of unhappy conservative people out there right now and the poll numbers of congress prove that. IF the TPM and other conservative people were happy about the republican led house the approval numbers would be higher. WE are not happy with what the Republicans are doing and one of the main reasons is a serious lack of real conservatism or leadership.

 

[Catawba]

Ten pages in this thread since this challenge to conservative:

Yes, I would be curious to know also how conservatives think 30 years of trickle down economics has benefited the middle class?

and all I hear are crickets!!!

Of course no one is required to answer, but I am willing to bet anyone that unless conservatives can come up with a damn believable answer to this, they will lose the election in November.

 

[Donc]

Ten pages in this thread since this challenge to conservative:



and all I hear are crickets!!!

Of course no one is required to answer, but I am willing to bet anyone that unless conservatives can come up with a damn believable answer to this, they will lose the election in November.

Theres a pretty good chance of them loosing the house as well.:2wave:

 

[Catawba]

What does that have to do with the point made, someone keeping more OF WHAT THEY EARNED didn't take a dime from someone else including you

The middle class is having a higher percentage of their dime being taken than are those who's primary source of income is investments.

Why do you think the middle class should have a higher percentage of their income taken from them than is taken from the uber rich?

 

[Catawba]

the good news is killing him...lol

Why would anyone think that 200,000 new jobs in December was not a good thing???

 

[TurtleDude]

The tea party wing of the GOP has moved so far to the right that tax rates perfectly acceptable to the Republican party for half a century are considered socialist. You will learn how few share your extreme view in November.

its actually the dems who have gone moonbat left. you misstate the truth again

when exactly did the GOP run the Congress and senate when those confiscatory tax rates were in place

and what was the actually effective rate on the top 1 percent?

and what was the state of the world's economy at the time?

 

[Conservative]

Ten pages in this thread since this challenge to conservative:



and all I hear are crickets!!!

Of course no one is required to answer, but I am willing to bet anyone that unless conservatives can come up with a damn believable answer to this, they will lose the election in November.

I have found that wasting time on you is well, a waste of time, and pointless. Your class envy and jealousy has destroyed any credibility you ever had.

I am still waiting for you to tell me how any rich person earning their own money kept you or anyone else from becoming rich. What keeps people from being rich is attitudes like yours and unfortunately there are millions with the same entitlement mentality you have.

You don't like trickle down, got it, what is the alternative that offers the opportunities that that pro growth economic policy promotes?

 

[Conservative]

The middle class is having a higher percentage of their dime being taken than are those who's primary source of income is investments.

Why do you think the middle class should have a higher percentage of their income taken from them than is taken from the uber rich?

Prove it, you keep making wild accusations yet never provide verifiable proof from non partisan sites.

 

[TurtleDude]

Prove it, you keep making wild accusations yet never provide verifiable proof from non partisan sites.

OldReliable67-one of the posters you can bank on when it comes to veracity-posted effective total federal tax rates and the top few percent had by far the highest effective rate.

people like Catawba whine about the uber billionaires who are what-a few hundred-in an effort to pretend all the top one percent pay an effective rate of 17% like Buffet does

complete horsecrap

 

[Conservative]

OldReliable67-one of the posters you can bank on when it comes to veracity-posted effective total federal tax rates and the top few percent had by far the highest effective rate.

people like Catawba whine about the uber billionaires who are what-a few hundred-in an effort to pretend all the top one percent pay an effective rate of 17% like Buffet does

complete horsecrap

I don't think Catawba has a clue what effective rate means nor what Federal taxes the middle class pay that would cause him to believe as he apparently does. Most of his posts are indeed complete horsecrap

 

[TurtleDude]

I don't think Catawba has a clue what effective rate means nor what Federal taxes the middle class pay that would cause him to believe as he apparently does. Most of his posts are indeed complete horsecrap

I cannot argue against your conclusions

 

[Catawba]

when exactly did the GOP run the Congress and senate when those confiscatory tax rates were in place

The GOP completely controlled Congress in 1931-1933, 1953-1955, 1995-1997, and not once, even though they controlled both houses of Congress, did they vote to make our tax rates as regressive as they are today. In fact the completely GOP controlled Congress increased taxes in 1995-1997.
Composition of Congress, by Political Party, 1855

and what was the actually effective rate on the top 1 percent?

"effective tax rates for high-income earners were either at their lowest since 1960 or very close to their lowest (at least according to the most recent data available)."
PolitiFact | Barack Obama says tax rates are lowest since 1950s for CEOs, hedge fund managers

and what was the state of the world's economy at the time?

The middle class was strongest and the country enjoyed the lowest debt to GDP ratio during our period of Progressive taxes: 1931 - 1980.

For those without blinders, its easy to see our debt to GDP wasn't a problem until the supply-side economics era: 1981 - present.

 

[Rhapsody1447]

Why do you think the middle class should have a higher percentage of their income taken from them than is taken from the uber rich?

Lies. The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

 

[Catawba]

Lies. The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

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Your data does not address capital gains tax rates or payroll taxes. With incomplete data, you get an incomplete picture. You are aware, are you not, that capital gains tax rate was 33% under Reagan? And are you aware that payroll taxes make up over half of federal revenues? And are you aware that 90% of payroll taxes are paid for by the working class?

 

[Rhapsody1447]

Your data does not address capital gains tax rates or payroll taxes. With incomplete data, you get an incomplete picture. You are aware, are you not, that capital gains tax rate was 33% under Reagan? And are you aware that payroll taxes make up over half of federal revenues? And are you aware that 90% of payroll taxes are paid for by the working class?

More lies, lies, lies. Where's your data? All you have is rhetorical hypotheticals.

The only regressive effective federal tax rates were excise taxes and social insurance tax. Neither made a dent in Total Federal Effective Tax Rates.

Historical Effective Federal Tax Rates for All Households

 

[pbrauer]

More lies, lies, lies. Where's your data? All you have is rhetorical hypotheticals.

The only regressive effective federal tax rates were excise taxes and social insurance tax. Neither made a dent in Total Federal Effective Tax Rates.

Historical Effective Federal Tax Rates for All Households

View attachment 67120829

LOL. Figures don't lie, but liars figure.

What the information on an individual basis? NOT broken down by the percentage of the total.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Of course they declared victory. And there were a few actual conservatives elected. Still, a lot of rinos though and the leadership of Boehner and McConnel is horrendes. Now look at Romney who has shown to be more liberal than the blue dogs that helped the dems win in 06. I think the TPM will have another resurrgence even if Romney goes on to win the general, provided he wins the nomination. A lot of unhappy conservative people out there right now and the poll numbers of congress prove that. IF the TPM and other conservative people were happy about the republican led house the approval numbers would be higher. WE are not happy with what the Republicans are doing and one of the main reasons is a serious lack of real conservatism or leadership.

Romney has nothing to do with the 112th House and while not every GOP member may be a die hard Conservative, many if not most are and the House is most certainly led by Conservatives.

 

[Rhapsody1447]

What the information on an individual basis? NOT broken down by the percentage of the total.

I don't know what you are talking about. Show me.

 

[Catawba]

More lies, lies, lies. Where's your data? All you have is rhetorical hypotheticals.

I posted a link to this just above, that you obviously couldn't be bothered to read before you started calling people liars:

"When a fund has capital gains and those gains flow to the manager, they are taxed as a capital gain, not as ordinary income. From a taxation perspective, the difference is significant -- taxation can be as low as 15 percent, rather than the 35 percent paid by everyone else (including other types of Wall Street managers).

"effective tax rates for high-income earners were either at their lowest since 1960 or very close to their lowest (at least according to the most recent data available)."

PolitiFact | Barack Obama says tax rates are lowest since 1950s for CEOs, hedge fund managers

 

[Rhapsody1447]

I posted a link to this just above, that you obviously couldn't be bothered to read before you started calling people liars:

"When a fund has capital gains and those gains flow to the manager, they are taxed as a capital gain, not as ordinary income. From a taxation perspective, the difference is significant -- taxation can be as low as 15 percent, rather than the 35 percent paid by everyone else (including other types of Wall Street managers).

"effective tax rates for high-income earners were either at their lowest since 1960 or very close to their lowest (at least according to the most recent data available)."

PolitiFact | Barack Obama says tax rates are lowest since 1950s for CEOs, hedge fund managers

All that study shows is that high income earners are paying historically low effective tax rates. That is not you said. You said

Why do you think the middle class should have a higher percentage of their income taken from them than is taken from the uber rich?

I've posted data that refutes that claim. You have not posted any confirming it.