I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far [W:260]

[TurtleDude]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

I did NOT ask you that. I asked you if your copy of the Second said anything about time and use restrictions.

Can you answer that?

why do you ask disingenuous questions that you already know the answer to? we both know what the 2A says and we both know it was intended to prevent the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT-that never had any proper authority in the first place-from infringing in an area it was not allowed to act in

this issue involves the police power of state government

 

[haymarket]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

It's a really serious liability; perhaps an accident waiting to happen? Quite frankly I think it's just dumb. I really don't care about the 2nd amendment rights issue; you know, the same rights that we all have. Common sense was overlooked with this matter.

Might I suggest a gun nut screaming "I have rights!" That mantra is getting old.

According to the law he does; but again, common sense really needs to come into play here.

You have an excellent point. Sadly the Second Amendment says nothing about COMMON SENSE. So that would simply be another one of those pesky unconstitutional restrictions on people who are breaking no law.

 

[justabubba]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

It's a really serious liability; perhaps an accident waiting to happen? Quite frankly I think it's just dumb. I really don't care about the 2nd amendment rights issue; you know, the same rights that we all have. Common sense was overlooked with this matter.

Might I suggest a gun nut screaming "I have rights!" That mantra is getting old.

According to the law he does; but again, common sense really needs to come into play here.

common sense plays no role in determining whether one is able to exercise their second amendment rights. can't infringe those with even common sense gun controls. nosireee

 

[haymarket]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

why do you ask disingenuous questions that you already know the answer to? we both know what the 2A says and we both know it was intended to prevent the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT-that never had any proper authority in the first place-from infringing in an area it was not allowed to act in

this issue involves the police power of state government

I did not ask that. I asked you if your copy of the Second said anything about time and use restrictions.

Can you answer that?

 

[haymarket]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

common sense plays no role in determining whether one is able to exercise their second amendment rights. can't infringe those with even common sense gun controls. nosireee

I suspect that there are those who believe that if we are not careful and vigilant and watchful the government will take todays so called common sense restrictions and use them to disarm the entire populace down the road someday.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

I did not ask that. I asked you if your copy of the Second said anything about time and use restrictions.

Can you answer that?

why should I answer your disingenuous questions which you already know the answer to when you have rarely answered honest questions put to you?

 

[gone fishin']

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

common sense plays no role in determining whether one is able to exercise their second amendment rights. can't infringe those with even common sense gun controls. nosireee

Common sense plays no role............yeah, that speaks volumes.

 

[haymarket]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

why should I answer your disingenuous questions which you already know the answer to when you have rarely answered honest questions put to you?

You already have my friend. You already have.

 

[haymarket]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

Will some jack booted thugs using the law to harass a law abiding gun owner exercising his rights reduce crime in the city where Mr. Carannate lives?

Can anybody prove that?

 

[LaMidRighter]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

It's a really serious liability; perhaps an accident waiting to happen? Quite frankly I think it's just dumb. I really don't care about the 2nd amendment rights issue; you know, the same rights that we all have. Common sense was overlooked with this matter.

Might I suggest a gun nut screaming "I have rights!" That mantra is getting old.

According to the law he does; but again, common sense really needs to come into play here.

Minus an ordinance there is nothing the police can do unless he hits someone. However, I am surprised there isn't one present, just about any place has one regarding discharging a firearm and these are the very rare ordinances that are actually constitutional and make any kind of sense.

The time and use limitations are valid, not that far removed from the same prohibitions on harmful exercise of speech. Bans on actionable misuse of rights are proper, whereas prior restraint is not.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

A Florida man set up a gun range in his front yard, but police said there’s not much they can do but keep an eye on him.

Other residents are livid that 21-year-old Joseph Carannate set up targets and plans to fire his 9mm handgun in his residential Saint Petersburg neighborhood, reported WFLA-TV.

“I don’t know if this idiot is going to start popping off rounds,” said resident Patrick Leary. “I’m furious.”

But Carannate said he has all the proper paperwork for his weapon and promised to notify his neighbors in Lakewood Estates before taking some target practice in the front yard, which he plans to do every other weekend.

“What, do we gather our children and hide?” Leary said. “Ridiculous — come on.”

Carannate said he was surprised by the strongly negative reaction, but he doesn’t intend to change his plans.

“I don’t want to hurt myself or any neighbors,” he said. “I don’t want to hurt anybody. I just want to use this as my enjoyment. I don’t want to have to go to a gun range, when I can just go outside my door.”

Residents have asked a Pinellas County commissioner to help stop their neighbor, but police have said he doesn’t appear to be breaking any laws.

“Even to the most pro-gun person, to have a gun range in the middle of a residential neighborhood doesn’t make any sense at all,” said County Commissioner Ken Welch. “I’m hoping we can get to some common ground and common sense.”

Florida law prohibits local governments from restricting gun rights in any way, but Broward and Palm Beach counties have sued to overturn the law.

Neighbors furious as Florida man sets up front-yard shooting range, but police say it’s legal

Freedom is filled with risk.

 

[blackjack50]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

A Florida man set up a gun range in his front yard, but police said there’s not much they can do but keep an eye on him.

Other residents are livid that 21-year-old Joseph Carannate set up targets and plans to fire his 9mm handgun in his residential Saint Petersburg neighborhood, reported WFLA-TV.

“I don’t know if this idiot is going to start popping off rounds,” said resident Patrick Leary. “I’m furious.”

But Carannate said he has all the proper paperwork for his weapon and promised to notify his neighbors in Lakewood Estates before taking some target practice in the front yard, which he plans to do every other weekend.

“What, do we gather our children and hide?” Leary said. “Ridiculous — come on.”

Carannate said he was surprised by the strongly negative reaction, but he doesn’t intend to change his plans.

“I don’t want to hurt myself or any neighbors,” he said. “I don’t want to hurt anybody. I just want to use this as my enjoyment. I don’t want to have to go to a gun range, when I can just go outside my door.”

Residents have asked a Pinellas County commissioner to help stop their neighbor, but police have said he doesn’t appear to be breaking any laws.

“Even to the most pro-gun person, to have a gun range in the middle of a residential neighborhood doesn’t make any sense at all,” said County Commissioner Ken Welch. “I’m hoping we can get to some common ground and common sense.”

Florida law prohibits local governments from restricting gun rights in any way, but Broward and Palm Beach counties have sued to overturn the law.

Neighbors furious as Florida man sets up front-yard shooting range, but police say it’s legal

Show me a picture of the neighborhood in question. I'm real curious about this. I've actually hunter a lake that was near city limits. A guy had the audacity to call the cops on us. It was hilarious. Because he came back out to whine, and we knew damn well that the police told him that it was his fault for living on public water with ducks on it lol. Never faced his direction. We were 200 yards from his house. And we only fired once and he came out on the dock lol.

Anyway. I'm suspicious. It could be he is an idiot. Good chance. Could be that he lived in a place with wide a good back stop and not much in his front yard. I have family down there. Oddly enough a lot of residential areas are just built in a cow field.

 

[blackjack50]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

Minus an ordinance there is nothing the police can do unless he hits someone. However, I am surprised there isn't one present, just about any place has one regarding discharging a firearm and these are the very rare ordinances that are actually constitutional and make any kind of sense.

The time and use limitations are valid, not that far removed from the same prohibitions on harmful exercise of speech. Bans on actionable misuse of rights are proper, whereas prior restraint is not.

Nice thing about Florida is you cannot make a local ordinance against firearms. We have a state law that forbids it, fines enforcing officers, and those who make the law. Sometimes it may have a problem, like a dummy not being safe, but then again it keeps moronic south Florida anti gun wackos from taking over down south.

 

[blackjack50]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

common sense plays no role in determining whether one is able to exercise their second amendment rights. can't infringe those with even common sense gun controls. nosireee

I haven't seen much common sense gun control ideas yet, save age limits and maybe 1 or 2 other things.

 

[blackjack50]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

Do we have a picture of his yard? Or do I need to google this?

 

[haymarket]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

Minus an ordinance there is nothing the police can do unless he hits someone. However, I am surprised there isn't one present, just about any place has one regarding discharging a firearm and these are the very rare ordinances that are actually constitutional and make any kind of sense.

The time and use limitations are valid, not that far removed from the same prohibitions on harmful exercise of speech. Bans on actionable misuse of rights are proper, whereas prior restraint is not.

Does your copy of the Second Amendment say anything about "time and use restrictions"?

How is harassing a law abiding gun owner like Mr Carannate going to reduce crime in his city?

 

[blackjack50]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

http://www.wfla.com/story/27997914/st-pete-man-builds-gun-range-in-yard-neighbors-outraged

The video seems to show that the backstop COULD be facing nothing more than a lake or open space. I will look later. I got more fun things to do nowz

 

[blackjack50]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

Does your copy of the Second Amendment say anything about "time and use restrictions"?

How is harassing a law abiding gun owner like Mr Carannate going to reduce crime in his city?

Because it is just an infringement. It isn't being infringed. :eyeroll:

 

[LaMidRighter]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

Nice thing about Florida is you cannot make a local ordinance against firearms. We have a state law that forbids it, fines enforcing officers, and those who make the law. Sometimes it may have a problem, like a dummy not being safe, but then again it keeps moronic south Florida anti gun wackos from taking over down south.

And that is the swing of the pendulum that the anti-second side doesn't understand, the blowback is that we will take away their gains, and make a blanket law prohibiting the stuff we could all agree upon because they are letting their paranoia run amok.

 

[haymarket]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

Freedom is filled with risk.

And the people who live there can certainly exercise their freedom to move somewhere else so Mr. Carannate can exercise his Second Amendment rights without fear of harassment from bureaucrats trying to protect their own jobs.

In fact,think about it - if every single home owner in that neighborhood did what Mr. Carannate is doing in his front yard, what low life scumbag thug life criminal would dare venture into that neighborhood to prey on those good people? Why it would be the safest neighborhood in all of America.

Freedom is a lovely thing.

 

[haymarket]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

Because it is just an infringement. It isn't being infringed. :eyeroll:

Does your copy of the Second Amendment contain any language about "time and use restrictions"?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

Does your copy of the Second Amendment say anything about "time and use restrictions"?

How is harassing a law abiding gun owner like Mr Carannate going to reduce crime in his city?

It does not, and it will not..

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

common sense plays no role in determining whether one is able to exercise their second amendment rights. can't infringe those with even common sense gun controls. nosireee

No, but needlessly endangering the lives of others can determine whether one is able to exercise their rights in the capacity they think they are allowed to or not.

 

[Grand Mal]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

Minus an ordinance there is nothing the police can do unless he hits someone. However, I am surprised there isn't one present, just about any place has one regarding discharging a firearm and these are the very rare ordinances that are actually constitutional and make any kind of sense.

The time and use limitations are valid, not that far removed from the same prohibitions on harmful exercise of speech. Bans on actionable misuse of rights are proper, whereas prior restraint is not.

According to the op, "Florida law prohibits local governments from restricting gun rights in any way, but Broward and Palm Beach counties have sued to overturn the law."
So they can't even pass a bylaw. Just curious, let's say it's a 9mm, how many decibels are we talking about?

 

[haymarket]

Re: I oppose gun control. but this may be going too far

I guess that is what is left when your attempt to pretend I have contradictory positions fell through

Fell through? How so?