I made the mistake of looking at a socialist website

[noonereal]

^ Half-ass-ism.

To the radical, uneducated or challanged it can seem as so I suppose.
Absent these qualities, one agrees. Extremes are very rarely healthy. In any part of life.

 

[noonereal]

He doesn't even acknowledge the Trump was anti-war.


Don't for get the fascists.


Extreme left yes, but communism has a fair amount of support in this forum.


Total Trump is center-right with elements on the left.


I assume you mean 40%.

The guy did good. Why not support him?


Why? By your own 40% number, Trump is no extremist.


Again, why?


Then Trump should be your guy. He's pragmatic, anti-war, trade-and-jobs oriented, eco-friendly, and willing to reach across the aisle.


Apparently only if it isn't the bad orange man.

Fox blackens the mind.

Yours replies are farce.

Trump is poison.

 

[bomberfox]

The antifa exists to oppose fascism. The idea that you support the Alt-right is highly ironic because they would target you because you are trans and hang you from a flag pole.

The Far Right and Anti-Trans Movements’ Unholy Alliance - Dame Magazine

Transgender people have been under assault from every angle in the past year. A record-breaking number of anti-transgender bills have been filed this year, and more have passed than in the past ten years combined. Fox News similarly has featured a record-breaking number of anti-transgender...

www.damemagazine.com

Oh there is no doubt they will do the same that they did to Blair White when Renae is no longer useful. Im gonna be here to say i told ya so.

 

[Lisa]

Oh there is no doubt they will do the same that they did to Blair White when Renae is no longer useful. Im gonna be here to say i told ya so.

Do you mind a PM?

 

[bomberfox]

Do you mind a PM?

My pms are open .

 

[Lisa]

My pms are open .

Thank you.

 

[Renae]

You cant be fascist unless you are actually trying to accomplish the goals of fascism. **** according to you the bloods and the crips are fascists and the black panthers would be considered fascists.

There is more to it, but I do hope they get their way somewhere and you get to experience what they truly want to bring to the table. It won't end well.

 

[Lisa]

There is more to it, but I do hope they get their way somewhere and you get to experience what they truly want to bring to the table. It won't end well.

What do yo you think that final political goal of the Antifa are, if you claim to know so much?

 

[Lovebug]

I live within a stone's throw of the villages. It's quite the place, just not for me.

We did so as well at one time. Too crowded, too manicured, just too much.

 

[Jay59]

Fox blackens the mind.

I don't get Fox. No cable.

Yours replies are farce.

You misspelled fact.

Trump is poison.

Believe what you wish but anyone with a shred of objectivity can see that Trump was a better President than Biden.

That's why Biden's numbers have slid so far. He never had conservatives and he still retains a large majority of Democrats, but the independents have left in significant numbers.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

A while back there was a thread about the atomic bombings of Japan. Antiwar came out swinging calling the bombings immoral and evil,

I’m going to be honest, after going back and reading more about the situation at the time they kinda were just completely unjustifiable imo. Japan had no fuel, no navy, no Air Force, and was entirely cut off. We could bomb any city we wanted with total impunity and did so. They are fully ready to surrender but primarily were concerned about trying to get a conditional instead of unconditional surrender.

Strategically nuclear weapons changed nothing military for them. They didn’t care about civilians dying. We killed more in the fire bombings. It was just another city off the map for them. If anything Russia declaring war on them was more influential.

 

[Renae]

I’m going to be honest, after going back and reading more about the situation at the time they kinda were just completely unjustifiable imo. Japan had no fuel, no navy, no Air Force, and was entirely cut off. We could bomb any city we wanted with total impunity and did so. They are fully ready to surrender but primarily were concerned about trying to get a conditional instead of unconditional surrender.

Strategically nuclear weapons changed nothing military for them. They didn’t care about civilians dying. We killed more in the fire bombings. It was just another city off the map for them. If anything Russia declaring war on them was more influential.

Hindsight is such a folly to believe is wisdom. The war needed to end. Dragging it out with a blockade or whatever, there would be people saying "We hd nukes why did we stretch the suffering so?" Folly indeed this line of thought you have.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Hindsight is such a folly to believe is wisdom. The war needed to end. Dragging it out with a blockade or whatever, there would be people saying "We hd nukes why did we stretch the suffering so?" Folly indeed this line of thought you have.

At the time it was thought of as more unjustified as we look at it today. “Hindsight” gave us time to culturally buy into the idea is was necessary. We targeted those cities specifically because they were NOT military targets and so hadn’t been bombed yet. The Japanese high command did not give a single **** that civilians were killed. Why would they? We had killed more with traditional bombings. The nukes changed nothing.

 

[noonereal]

Believe what you wish but anyone with a shred of objectivity can see that Trump was a better President than Biden.

If morals, ethics, truth, freedom, democracy and emotional intelligence mean nothing to you.

But even if all this means nothing to you there is his hate of the military, his live of Putin, his hate of our intolerance agencies. How he impiwered putin. HOW HE was better than a wet dream for China.
How he undermined Nato.
How he was incapable of handling the pandemic.

The hate. Hate hate hate he uses as his tool .

Your God is false. No objective case can be made for this satanic leader as a wise choice unless you too turn your back on democracy.

 

[Tigerace117]

I’m going to be honest, after going back and reading more about the situation at the time they kinda were just completely unjustifiable imo. Japan had no fuel, no navy, no Air Force, and was entirely cut off. We could bomb any city we wanted with total impunity and did so. They are fully ready to surrender but primarily were concerned about trying to get a conditional instead of unconditional surrender.

Strategically nuclear weapons changed nothing military for them. They didn’t care about civilians dying. We killed more in the fire bombings. It was just another city off the map for them. If anything Russia declaring war on them was more influential.

Except for the fact that they weren’t fully ready to surrender, as shown by the fact that even AFTER the nukes got dropped there was a coup attempt to try and keep the war going.

The Soviet Union had no actual capability to launch an invasion of the Home Islands in the first place.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Except for the fact that they weren’t fully ready to surrender, as shown by the fact that even AFTER the nukes got dropped there was a coup attempt to try and keep the war going.

The Soviet Union had no actual capability to launch an invasion of the Home Islands in the first place.

They were willing to accept a conditional, not unconditional surrender. The Soviet Union invaded Manchuria and Japan did not want to surrender to them.

Explain to me exactly how the ~200,000 civilians that died was necessary? We know the government didn't give a shit how many civilians we killed. If it was the power of the nuclear bombs that made Japan realize they couldn't continue to fight militarily, why not drop them on military targets? We specifically targeted civilians intentionally and those civilians dying had no effect on the war.

 

[Tigerace117]

They were willing to accept a conditional, not unconditional surrender. The Soviet Union invaded Manchuria and Japan did not want to surrender to them.

Explain to me exactly how the ~200,000 civilians that died was necessary? We know the government didn't give a shit how many civilians we killed. If it was the power of the nuclear bombs that made Japan realize they couldn't continue to fight militarily, why not drop them on military targets? We specifically targeted civilians intentionally and those civilians dying had no effect on the war.

Manchuria is not particular close to Japan, and the forces there were shattered skeletons of their former “glory” by the time 1945 rolled around.

Because it prevented the need to invade Japan, which would have killed exponentially more civilians, especially since the IJA was preparing to send them at tanks with bamboo spears.

Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki did have substantial military value.

“ Hiroshima was a city of considerable military importance. It contained the 2nd Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. To quote a Japanese report, "Probably more than a thousand times since the beginning of the war did the Hiroshima citizens see off with cries of 'Banzai' the troops leaving from the harbor."

“ The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great war-time importance because of its many and varied industries, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials. The narrow long strip attacked was of particular importance because of its industries.”

Avalon Project - The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

The results of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasakias reported by the Manhattan Engineer District

avalon.law.yale.edu

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Because it prevented the need to invade Japan, which would have killed exponentially more civilians, especially since the IJA was preparing to send them at tanks with bamboo spears.

How do you know they wouldn't of surrendered from dropping a bomb off the coast of the emperor's palace? You don't, because we didn't even try. We didn't even TRY to see if we could get them to surrender by just demonstrating the existence of the weapon. We instantly escalated to killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people intentionally. A dictator doesn't care how many civilians die. And they died horribly.

Faceless and eyeless, they were horrifically burned by the blast with their skins said to have been left blackened, cracked and scaly - just like an alligator.

And the ant-walking description comes from their behaviour as they blindly roamed the broken and corpse-filled streets of Hiroshima.

"Now eyeless and faceless, with their heads transformed into blackened alligator hides displaying red holes, indicating mouths," he wrote.

"The alligator people did not scream. Their mouths could not form the sounds. The noise they made was worse than screaming.

"They uttered a continuous murmur like locusts on a midsummer night. "One man, staggering on charred stumps of legs, was carrying a dead baby upside down."

The "ant walkers" were just one the horrors witnessed by the survivors who found themselves in a wasteland the likes of which has never been seen again.

Hiroshima's 'alligator people' left with burned off faces & scales for skin

MORE than 140,000 people died when the US used a nuclear bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima some 76 years ago today – but for the survivors the horrors had just begun. “Ant-walking …

www.the-sun.com

Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki did have substantial military value.

Nothing that targeted bombings couldn't have destroyed considering our complete air space control. We killed 10 civilians for every soldier killed by the bombings. They were meant to be terror bombing. We meant to kill civilians. That was the point. We could have militarily hampered Japan just as much with a fraction of the casualties.

The Target Committee stated that "It was agreed that psychological factors in the target selection were of great importance. Two aspects of this are (1) obtaining the greatest psychological effect against Japan and (2) making the initial use sufficiently spectacular for the importance of the weapon to be internationally recognized when publicity on it is released (Source)

 

[Tigerace117]

How do you know they wouldn't of surrendered from dropping a bomb off the coast of the emperor's palace? You don't, because we didn't even try. We didn't even TRY to see if we could get them to surrender by just demonstrating the existence of the weapon. We instantly escalated to killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people intentionally. A dictator doesn't care how many civilians die. And they died horribly.

Hiroshima's 'alligator people' left with burned off faces & scales for skin

MORE than 140,000 people died when the US used a nuclear bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima some 76 years ago today – but for the survivors the horrors had just begun. “Ant-walking …

www.the-sun.com

Nothing that targeted bombings couldn't have destroyed considering our complete air space control. We killed 10 civilians for every soldier killed by the bombings. They were meant to be terror bombing. We meant to kill civilians. That was the point. We could have militarily hampered Japan just as much with a fraction of the casualties.

Because there was a coup attempt to try and continue the war even AFTER two cities got obliterated.

Kyūjō incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Assuming that anything less would have caused them to surrender is wishful thinking.

Considering that Japan was throwing bioweapons around like confetti in China and the regime rivaled the Nazis in terms of sheer evil, my sympathy factor is rather limited.

We meant to utterly destroy Japan’s ability and willingness to continue the fight, and we did so, saving millions of lives in the process.

 

[Questerr]

I’m going to be honest, after going back and reading more about the situation at the time they kinda were just completely unjustifiable imo. Japan had no fuel, no navy, no Air Force, and was entirely cut off. We could bomb any city we wanted with total impunity and did so. They are fully ready to surrender but primarily were concerned about trying to get a conditional instead of unconditional surrender.

Strategically nuclear weapons changed nothing military for them. They didn’t care about civilians dying. We killed more in the fire bombings. It was just another city off the map for them. If anything Russia declaring war on them was more influential.

Should we have allowed them the condition surrender they wanted and let them get away with all of their war crimes with no occupation, no trials, and remaking of their society and government?

Or should we have continued blockades and bombing until they gave in to unconditional surrender, which would have killed at least 10 times as many people as the atomic bombings?

No matter how you slice it, given the options at the time, trying to shock them into immediate surrender with the atomic bombs was the best strategy and the one that would have resulted in the least loss of life while also forcing an unconditional surrender.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Should we have allowed them the condition surrender they wanted and let them get away with all of their war crimes with no occupation, no trials, and remaking of their society and government?

Or should we have continued blockades and bombing until they gave in to unconditional surrender, which would have killed at least 10 times as many people as the atomic bombings?

No matter how you slice it, given the options at the time, trying to shock them into immediate surrender with the atomic bombs was the best strategy and the one that would have resulted in the least loss of life while also forcing an unconditional surrender.

I think we should have at least tried demonstrating the weapon on a more military target or off the coast of the imperial palace before escalating to killing ~200,000 civilians.

 

[Questerr]

I think we should have at least tried demonstrating the weapon on a more military target or off the coast of the imperial palace before escalating to killing ~200,000 civilians.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets. Hiroshima had an Army-level headquarters and was a major division base. Nagasaki was a key IJN port. Both cities has major military airfields and war industry sites.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets. Hiroshima had an Army-level headquarters and was a major division base. Nagasaki was a key IJN port. Both cities has major military airfields and war industry sites.

Nothing we couldn't have destroyed with targeting bombings considering we had total air superiority at that point. About 10 civilians died for every soldier killed.

It's not that that type of force couldn't be justified, it is just we utterly failed at any sort of escalation of force. For all we know ~200,000 people could have lived if we dropped a bomb in the ocean where the emperor and his council could see it. But we didn't even try. It is pretty evident based on historical data we dropped them more as a show of force against the USSR than the pretty much defeated Japanese military.

 

[Grandpappy]

I have to agree with @Questerr on this one. Truman made the right decision.

 

[Mr Person]

Antifa are fascist. Sorry.

ANTIFA is a bunch of anarchists, and as such they don't even really have anything like a formal organization. Just groups that call themselves "ANTIFA" and, interestingly, punch people in the street to fight things they think are "fascism". Meanwhile, the biggest source of domestic terror is from white supremacy, which is actual fascism. They want ethnic cleansing and a government-down violently enforced society lining up with their evil ideas.

At any rate, I'm sorry you got the hopelessly stupid idea that "I know you are but what am I?" is a clever rejoinder anywhere past the first grade.

However, I continue to marvel at the way you attack those who would stand in your defense against the people who you support: people who would treat you like a broken evil slug for having a medical condition. You'll gladly shit on me while ardently fighting for someone who wouldn't deign to shit on you. It's....