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I am posting this here because I don't want get in trouble or have my post moved and get some points or what ever.

Those of you who are keeping up and have read my posts will remember that when Obama suddenly came out with a Birth Certificate I asked if the ink was dry on it, and in another post more recently said in response to question about Onama's school records I said that Obama has not shown them because he hasn't had time to forge them yet.

Now we get Trump is saying this.


 
2008: If Obama was born in the United State how come he won't release his birth certificate?

2009: If Obama's birth certificate is real, how come he won't reveal his long form birth certificate?

2011: If Obama's long form birth certificate is real why won't he allow independent inspectors to review it for authenticity?

If they moved the goal posts that far in the NFL then football games would be played across the wide expanse of Texas.
 
The real conspiracy is that Obama is loving every minute of this because it makes his opposition seem crazier and crazier.
 
When did Trump suddenly become the arbiter of all things truthful? To me, Trump claiming the BC is forged is just further proof that it isn't. I admit, I really underestimated the birthers. This is ridiculous and I would hope most conservatives would distance themselves from this silly conspiracy theory that was definitively proven false.
 
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Tucker Case said:
The real conspiracy is that Obama is loving every minute of this because it makes his opposition seem crazier and crazier.
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Yeah, it went from being a conspiracy of one man and his family to a national government conspiracy.
 
Still, I'm in training and I just went /facepalm. Sorrow. Boredom. Seriously. Seriously??

Grrr. And of course the obligatory arrgghh.
 
CriticalThought said:
2008: If Obama was born in the United State how come he won't release his birth certificate?
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Not necessarily an unreasonable question, since the democrats didn't seem to have verified this prior to the elections (even though McCains status is natural born citizen was also in question), and Obama was someone that had spent much of his young life abroad...

And plus, MOST people have to show their birth certificate multiple times to multiple people whenever certain situations arise... it's just the way it is. Just cause the man promised change and convinced more then half the people that he was the man for the job shouldn't exempt him.

2009: If Obama's birth certificate is real, how come he won't reveal his long form birth certificate?
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Rather people were saying "hey that's not your birth certificate, it's the long-form that counts." (not to mention that one was suspect as well, but I didn't really follow that one)

2011: If Obama's long form birth certificate is real why won't he allow independent inspectors to review it for authenticity?
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Nah... I looked at the document at areas I was pointed to by professionals and saw clearly that the document was a fake... without being an expert, just understanding how a scanner works at a basic level and you can see that it was manipulated somehow.

Though, to say definitively that it is a fraudulent document WOULD require a professional document examiner a few minutes to call it.

If they moved the goal posts that far in the NFL then football games would be played across the wide expanse of Texas.
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For me, I was not really a birther aside from asking certain questions about the issue, UNTIL Obama released this long-form... I thought the issue was over.

Now, it doesn't matter if he was born in Hawaii, it seems that there's a good chance that Obama has attempted to fraud the american people. EVEN IF he IS NBC this issue COULD see him impeached.
 
Tucker Case said:
The real conspiracy is that Obama is loving every minute of this because it makes his opposition seem crazier and crazier.
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Coming from the person that declared the document legitimate without even looking at it...

BTW, there are several dozen professional graphics people that have pointed out at least 50 reasons why this document CANNOT have been the result of enlarging the microfilm, scanning the result and running OCR software, that it HAS been definitively manipulated to SOME extent and for an unknown purpose.

I know I know, you got ad hom arguments for anyone that says a word against the document.
 

links... to all several dozen, listing all 50 or so reasons...... or we all brand you to be lying.

Put up, or shut up. For once.
 

So what you're saying is that Obama has the power to hide his birth certificate, create a completely fictional life story for himself and make millions of dollars selling that story but he can't hire a photoshop expert? Please don't speak about what "professionals" are pointing out to. Here, let's play a game. I'll post 2 birth certificates. If you can point out the one that was edited, I'll make a platinum donation.
 

What I'm saying is that without knowing how, why or when, it's abundantly clear that this birth certificate was a document that was created.

The thing is that it MAY have been manipulated with a legitimate intention (ensuring that the document could not be used as identity theft against Obama)...

The thing is too that Obama has the resources that he could have had a near perfect fake created, what was put out was a fake in the level of someone that WANTED to get caught.

It's about as bad as McLovin's ID from that movie superbad.

- multiple resolutions in single lines of text
- multiple linked objects
- fonts that were not created until computers (kerning)
- OCR performed on signatures (not possible)
- the date stamps are two graphical objects, one of them having been resized and rotated

and so on... without going and posting the various images in question.

I would have expected that this forgery would have required expert document analysis, but it wasn't even done that good.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Coming from the person that declared the document legitimate without even looking at it...
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You still haven't looked at the document, yet you pretend that you have.

Why are all of your arguments about this based on lies?


I can find several dozen self-proclaimed professionals that will argue anything I wish to prove. Hell, they've got TV shows all over the place with these kind of professionals talking about the Nazi UFO collaborations.

Just because some whack jobs have degrees doesn't make them any less of a whack job.

The simple fact is that you admit that you don't know **** from shinola in this discussion, so stop playing pretend.
 
Hatuey said:
Here, let's play a game. I'll post 2 birth certificates. If you can point out the one that was edited, I'll make a platinum donation.
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He won't take that challenge because he has already admitted that he is clueless about these things.
 
BmanMcfly said:
The thing is that it MAY have been manipulated with a legitimate intention (ensuring that the document could not be used as identity theft against Obama)..
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ah... how would ANYONE regardless of what personal information they possessed about the president, be able to "steal his identity".



I'd like to put this speed boat on my Presidential Visa Card :mrgreen:
 
So far ahead of the curve as to be entirely round the bend.
 

Whovian said:
links... to all several dozen, listing all 50 or so reasons...... or we all brand you to be lying.

Put up, or shut up. For once.
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I thought not.

Again, as you have in every conpiracy thread you've posted in...

FAIL.

Utter... total.. complete...
 
Tucker Case said:
You still haven't looked at the document, yet you pretend that you have.

Why are all of your arguments about this based on lies?
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I was the one that showed you the link, but preferred instead to slander people.

I can find several dozen self-proclaimed professionals that will argue anything I wish to prove. Hell, they've got TV shows all over the place with these kind of professionals talking about the Nazi UFO collaborations.
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Now you delve into non sequitar arguments... None of those have been paid to take that position, except for those who make the blanket claim that layering is normal.

Just because some whack jobs have degrees doesn't make them any less of a whack job.
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Oh so now taking on a viewpoint based on facts makes you crazy.... And making fallacious arguments makes you sane? Funny...

The simple fact is that you admit that you don't know **** from shinola in this discussion, so stop playing pretend.
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No I admit that I'm not an expert, but this one does not require any serious expertise to see... This forgery is THAT bad....
 
Tucker Case said:
He won't take that challenge because he has already admitted that he is clueless about these things.
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I'm still waiting for this test... I'm the one challenging people to look at the facts... Most of you here rather pretend that it's true because you were told so by Obama.
 
BmanMcfly said:
I'm still waiting for this test... I'm the one challenging people to look at the facts... Most of you here rather pretend that it's true because you were told so by Obama.
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Yet you fail to provide us with the 'facts' you claim exist...

Whovian said:
links... to all several dozen, listing all 50 or so reasons...... or we all brand you to be lying.

Put up, or shut up. For once.
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We're all still waiting for these 'facts', McFly.
 
This isn't a curve that you should want to be ahead of. Please everyone quit feeding the troll.
 
Jetboogieman said:
ah... how would ANYONE regardless of what personal information they possessed about the president, be able to "steal his identity".



I'd like to put this speed boat on my Presidential Visa Card :mrgreen:
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Ya, I know, but I'm trying to give benefit of doubt as to why it's been altered.

Still waiting for someone willing to Address the issues with the document that can defend it on the issues raised against it.
 
Birthers are made of equal one or more of the following:

-Stupidity & ignorance
-totally bias, nonobjective partisan mind set
-racism
-dramatic paranoid conspiracy theorist

all of them are one or more of the above things and nothing else
 
BmanMcfly said:
Ya, I know, but I'm trying to give benefit of doubt as to why it's been altered.

Still waiting for someone willing to Address the issues with the document that can defend it on the issues raised against it.
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I think you should believe what you want to believe. The world will always need people like you who imagine grand national conspiracies to fake birth certificates.
 
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