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I hope the world will remember the great leadership we have shown since WWII.

craig said:
Our country is having a problem politically now and please give us some slake.
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Honestly, I don't think things will ever go back to how they were between the US and her allies now. People are pissed and rightly so.

Trust is a big deal and Trump has shown that the US can not be trusted anymore. Friends don't do what he did.
 
and this part

"I hope the world will remember the great leadership we have shown since WWII​

It's a shame the US didn't remember the great loyalty that has been shown from her allies. Australia and America have fought side by side in every major conflict since the First World War. We shared respect, and connection.

We are not the only ones. Far from it.
 
Serenity said:
and this part

"I hope the world will remember the great leadership we have shown since WWII​

It's a shame the US didn't remember the great loyalty that has been shown from her allies. Australia and America have fought side by side in every major conflict since the First World War. We shared respect, and connection.

We are not the only ones. Far from it.
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Thank you I do remember.
 
Serenity said:
and this part

"I hope the world will remember the great leadership we have shown since WWII​

It's a shame the US didn't remember the great loyalty that has been shown from her allies. Australia and America have fought side by side in every major conflict since the First World War. We shared respect, and connection.

We are not the only ones. Far from it.
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I can only imagine how betrayed Australia, New Zealand, and Canada (along with GB and other nations) must feel. And how angry.

I am very sorry. You all deserve much better from us.
 
Come on, it was mutually beneficial. It would take some time to repair and our allies that trusted us fully before might keep a back up plan around for some decades, but 80 years ago Germany and Japan started WW2. Thing move on. I just think it's going to be a frosty relationship after Trump leaves for some time but if we can kill the MAGA movement in the country, we can move on.
 
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I think that post WWII inertia might not carry us through what Republicans are trying to do. I mean, this is flat out malignant ignorance and fascism. Inertia got us through the first Trump term, but probably not this.
 
Pyrite said:
I can only imagine how betrayed Australia, New Zealand, and Canada (along with GB and other nations) must feel. And how angry.

I am very sorry. You all deserve much better from us.
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Honestly our affection and respect for the America that was is fully intact and always will be. What is gone now is trust going forward.
 
Callen said:
Honestly our affection and respect for the America that was is fully intact and always will be. What is gone now is trust going forward.
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Perfectly understandable and reasonable. You can no longer afford to trust us/the USA.
 
Callen said:
Honestly our affection and respect for the America that was is fully intact and always will be. What is gone now is trust going forward.
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I hope we can fix it. I grew up in North Dakota 15 miles from the border.
 
Pyrite said:
Perfectly understandable and reasonable. You can no longer afford to trust us/the USA.
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Sadly we never will again. Carney is on a mission to decouple our economic fate from that of the US.
craig said:
I hope we can fix it. I grew up in North Dakota 15 miles from the border.
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Honestly, I don't think the relationship is fixable.
 
Up to recently, the U.S. had every right to be expected to be #1. The onus of being #1 is that everyone’s expectations of you are extremely high. The current antics, chaos, unreliability, etc. by this administration has shattered that. All countries have faults but this is beyond the pale, especially from numero uno. Almost every country that stood by the U.S. still respects and honors what we’ve done. Some in Europe honor us more than we’ve honored ourselves, in particular our military. In certain respects Trump is a modern Caligula.
 
It is a “what have you done lately” kind of world now.
 
During Trumps first term the rest of the world looked in puzzlement and thought that America had been fooled by an evil, immoral, and stupid man. Once Biden replaced Trump they quite quickly moved on, and assumed that America had moved on to. With Trump being elected for a 2nd term they have come to the realization that there is actually a large part of America that is evil, immoral, and stupid. And that Trump election 1 wasn't in fact just a silly mistake. That means that there is a major global realization going on that the character of America has sunk to some low point that they hadn't recognized until Trump uncovered it, and exposed it. Even worse, they have watched large sections of America glorifying it. It will be a long time, if ever, before our former friends trust us again like they once did. And they will do so with much more understanding of the dark American political underbelly.
 
Serenity said:
Honestly, I don't think things will ever go back to how they were between the US and her allies now. People are pissed and rightly so.

Trust is a big deal and Trump has shown that the US can not be trusted anymore. Friends don't do what he did.
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At this point, it's generational. he pushes farther, it's multi-generational
 
America elected Trump not once but TWICE knowing full well what he is. This was intentional with 70% of Americans being fine with it.

An apology tour won't do.
 
Slavister said:
America elected Trump not once but TWICE knowing full well what he is. This was intentional with 70% of Americans being fine with it.

An apology tour won't do.
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Are you Canadian?
 
craig said:
Our country is having a problem politically now and please give us some slake.
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Nope. We as a country decided Trump is what's best, so the rest of the world should treat us as a pariah for the foreseeable future.
 
Rexedgar said:
It is a “what have you done lately” kind of world now.
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I admire and respect, many, many Americans and am grateful for our relationship in the past and hope that can continue going forward.

I have no respect for the current administration and those who support recent actions.
 
craig said:
Our country is having a problem politically now and please give us some slake.
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I think we've been screwing up to an increasing degree ever since at least Regan, if not earlier with that Vietnam bullshit.

I blame capitalism.

Not that we are alone in experiencing the negative effects of capitalism.
 
craig said:
Our country is having a problem politically now and please give us some slake.
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We deserved some slack from 2016-2020 because electingTrump was a naive and foolish voter mistake. 2024 election was inexcusable. We knew exactly who we were putting in that office and how much destruction he would impose, and we did it anyway.
 
If it was an one off, then maybe. But this has been a problem since Bush Jr took office. There was the whole second Iraq war issue, where allies disagreed with each other and those that went against the US in the end were correct. Then there was the lying in Afghanistan, where the US told NATO that the taliban were defeated and the retraining of the Afghan army could start... That lie alone cost my own country more men that anyone else compared to our country size. Obama mended the relations up to a point, but the US right constantly put him in a position that made it impossible to mend the relations fully.

Then came Trump 1 and well Covid kinda covered up the issues, but the things he did do, hurt US reputation world wide and further reduced US influence. His disastrous capitulation to the Taliban was one of the final nails in the coffin. Yes it was Biden that carried out the withdrawal, but the capitulation was all Trump.

But now, the actions of Trump 2 has severely hurt relations world wide.. we cant trust the US anymore. Well we never could, but we trust them even less now. Threatening invasions, to putting these idiotic tariffs on based on a made up problem.

So I dont think that the relations can be mended unless Trump and his cohorts are arrested and tried for all their crimes. The next administration has to distance themselves from anything Trump has done and go after the criminals in the Trump administration. Sadly I dont think the Dems have it in them, as they believe too much in the institutions of the American Republic and that they cant be corrupted in the way they have been under Trump.
 
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