I have only one problem with abortion

[sissy-boy]

No, dear. I'm saying that someone who is going to commit murder against an innocent, should commit that murder against the child-killer, not the child. I'm saying that someone so heartless as to want to murder their own seed would serve the future victims of their irresponsibility well by making their first victim their last. You say chopping up not just any baby, but your very own offspring is just fine to do; I say killing any INNOCENT child is wrong. There is a time and place for state-sponsored murder. Generally, it is societal retribution for the heinous act of murdering an innocent. You say it is your right to violently destroy a human life; I say, by delivering your malicious intent first upon yourself, you cut out the middle-man. Your ideology, to me, is totally willing to murder innocents in the name of feminism and the only power exclusive to women, birth, should be used to demonstrate your collective right to self-determination regardless of a LIFE. If I kick a pregnant woman in the belly and cause the death of her baby, I will be charged. If that very same woman kills that very same baby in a clinic with some scissors and a shop-vac, it's perfectly OK. Don't females want equal rights? Or do females just want equal rights that benefit them. If this is the case, your cries for equality are a farce.

PS I think you are sick. Sick as a child rapist. No, sicker. At least a raped child can still rebuild their life. If any life is valueless, and ok to destroy, why not your life?

And why not yours?? Your the only one hear I see yelling for MURDER! And what is HILARIOUS with people like you is that you actually believe that you are speaking of some kind of 'morality'!! haha! Euthanasia is NOT murder -- LOOK IT UP if you don't believe me. And that is exactly what abortion IS. And as miserable as you SOUND, suicide could be euthanasia for you too.

 

[sissy-boy]

If that's the case, then you should defend my right to kill my 12 year old without 'government interference'. If I personally felt that disciplining her was 'personal', right? Does the word 'victim' ring a bell? When a woman goes to the doctor to remove her baby, she should remove all the rest of her baby-supporting guts, she doesn't need them.

Now you're 'shoulding' all over yourself. If a woman had a mistake in making a baby for WHATEVER reason (it is NOT YOURS to debate) she has the right to terminate it at any given moment and have another child when she sees fit. And to be honest -- I wouldn't really care if you killed your 12 year old or not. I may be offended by it -- call you sick in the head -- but then I feel that same sickness is what holds the anti-choice community together.

 

[thoracle]

I'll debate you when you can pull your head out of the vagina you're forever peering in to and think beyond the womb. CURB YOUR DOGMA and think for yourself for once -- instead of being the poster child of anti-choice!

Originally Posted by thoracle
You are quoting my comment, meaning you agree that it is a child that is being formed. The distinction you make between 'child' and 'person' is a semantic game often practiced by true idiots.

*****boy: There's a BIG difference. If a FETUS was a child, then why doesn't the mother change it's diapers? -- When will you imbeciles stop your love affair with a bloody collection of cells??!

If a coma patient was a human, how come he didn't eat a sandwich today? I guess it's ok to chop him up in 12 pieces and suck him up with a shopvac.Some doctors are like 20% sure they think he won't even feel it. No it's not murder.--When will imbeciles stop calling people who are smarter than them 'imbeciles'. Personally, I think we're all a bloody collection of cells, including unborn babies.

Me: Tweak on this, sweety-pants, or whatever you call yourself: I agree with your RU-486 comment. RU actually deals with that parasitical collection of cells you were talking about. Sound like 'the religious right' to you?

Sugarbooty: "That just proves that you are not a very 'faithful' abortionist. RU-486 STILL terminates a pregnancy and kills a fetus. Suck on that for a while.

What the f**k is a 'faithful abortionist'? Sounds like an oxymoron to me. My RU comment was based on the physical and mental trauma it could save the women from, and the idea that an egg which was fertilized 3 days earlier and has yet to even fully secure itself in the womb or develop ANY form of perception of stimuli of any kind could feel no pain. By the way, kneeworker, did you say "kill"? Kill = murder.

"And that is where reason has left your brain entirely. What makes you think that a fetus is ANY less 'innocent' than any other life form?? Is it because they are not masturbating yet?? I pity you."

My brain? First you say it's not a person in any way; it's a bloody collection of cells. Then you infer that it could be guilty of anything at all? Doesn't guilt require intent, self-initiated action, an understanding of 'right and wrong', and certification of mental capacity? I dare you to show me what the 'collection' of cells has ever, ever been guilty of. You are championing the murder of human's who are unquestionably innocent for the sake of convenience. PERIOD.

I was hoping for a logical defense of your position. Now I'm just hoping for a coherent response from a mental midget.

 

[thoracle]

I'll debate you when you can pull your head out of the vagina you're forever peering in to and think beyond the womb. CURB YOUR DOGMA and think for yourself for once -- instead of being the poster child of anti-choice!

Originally Posted by thoracle
You are quoting my comment, meaning you agree that it is a child that is being formed. The distinction you make between 'child' and 'person' is a semantic game often practiced by true idiots.

*****boy: There's a BIG difference. If a FETUS was a child, then why doesn't the mother change it's diapers? -- When will you imbeciles stop your love affair with a bloody collection of cells??!

If a coma patient was a human, how come he didn't eat a sandwich today? I guess it's ok to chop him up in 12 pieces and suck him up with a shopvac.Some doctors are like 20% sure they think he won't even feel it. No it's not murder.--When will imbeciles stop calling people who are smarter than them 'imbeciles'. Personally, I think we're all a bloody collection of cells, including unborn babies.

Me: Tweak on this, sweety-pants, or whatever you call yourself: I agree with your RU-486 comment. RU actually deals with that parasitical collection of cells you were talking about. Sound like 'the religious right' to you?

Sugarbooty: "That just proves that you are not a very 'faithful' abortionist. RU-486 STILL terminates a pregnancy and kills a fetus. Suck on that for a while.

What the f**k is a 'faithful abortionist'? Sounds like an oxymoron to me. My RU comment was based on the physical and mental trauma it could save the women from, and the idea that an egg which was fertilized 3 days earlier and has yet to even fully secure itself in the womb or develop ANY form of perception of stimuli of any kind could feel no pain. By the way, kneeworker, did you say "kill"? Kill = murder.

"And that is where reason has left your brain entirely. What makes you think that a fetus is ANY less 'innocent' than any other life form?? Is it because they are not masturbating yet?? I pity you."

My brain? First you say it's not a person in any way; it's a bloody collection of cells. Then you infer that it could be guilty of anything at all? Doesn't guilt require intent, self-initiated action, an understanding of 'right and wrong', and certification of mental capacity? I dare you to show me what the 'collection' of cells has ever, ever been guilty of. You are championing the murder of human's who are unquestionably innocent for the sake of convenience. PERIOD.

I was hoping for a logical defense of your position. Now I'm just hoping for a coherent response from a mental midget.

 

[sissy-boy]

Originally Posted by thoracle
You are quoting my comment, meaning you agree that it is a child that is being formed. The distinction you make between 'child' and 'person' is a semantic game often practiced by true idiots.



Wow! I always thought it was HORSES being formed in there!
[/color][/b]If a coma patient was a human, how come he didn't eat a sandwich today? I guess it's ok to chop him up in 12 pieces and suck him up with a shopvac.Some doctors are like 20% sure they think he won't even feel it. No it's not murder.--When will imbeciles stop calling people who are smarter than them 'imbeciles'. Personally, I think we're all a bloody collection of cells, including unborn babies.

Nope. 100% of doctors KNOW they won't feel it! And EVEN if they DID, the couple SECONDS of pain when a needle enters the brain and turn it into soup, cannot even BEGIN to compare to the HORRIFIC genital mutilation that religious wacko's give the baby after it's born. Why the FUK aren't you complaining and protesting about THAT??

Me: Tweak on this, sweety-pants, or whatever you call yourself: I agree with your RU-486 comment. RU actually deals with that parasitical collection of cells you were talking about. Sound like 'the religious right' to you?

Sugarbooty: "That just proves that you are not a very 'faithful' abortionist. RU-486 STILL terminates a pregnancy and kills a fetus. Suck on that for a while.

What the f**k is a 'faithful abortionist'? Sounds like an oxymoron to me. My RU comment was based on the physical and mental trauma it could save the women from, and the idea that an egg which was fertilized 3 days earlier and has yet to even fully secure itself in the womb or develop ANY form of perception of stimuli of any kind could feel no pain. By the way, kneeworker, did you say "kill"? Kill = murder.

Abortion is a sacred rite. And guess what? YOU do NOT get to make laws that change a woman's right to choose. You may whine and cry about it all day and stay up all night doing the same, but abortion is still happening.

And wow, all this time you said you were smart and you can't even realize the difference between killing and murder. BIG difference. Look it up A$$HOLE!

"And that is where reason has left your brain entirely. What makes you think that a fetus is ANY less 'innocent' than any other life form?? Is it because they are not masturbating yet?? I pity you."

My brain? First you say it's not a person in any way; it's a bloody collection of cells. Then you infer that it could be guilty of anything at all? Doesn't guilt require intent, self-initiated action, an understanding of 'right and wrong', and certification of mental capacity? I dare you to show me what the 'collection' of cells has ever, ever been guilty of. You are championing the murder of human's who are unquestionably innocent for the sake of convenience. PERIOD.

What you interpreted so incoherently was my reaction at your 'innocent' statement. How the FUK can something that can't even live on it's own be 'innocent' or 'guilty'??? Don't you see the QUOTE marks in the sentence I wrote, or are you too THICK for that too!?

I was hoping for a logical defense of your position. Now I'm just hoping for a coherent response from a mental midget.

You're still a complete IMBECILE who is unable to realize what the AMA and every doctor already knows: that LIFE does not begin the second a cum-wad hits a woman's WOMB!

 

[cnredd]

Apparently, this didn't get through to everyone here....

[Moderator mode]

Hey everybody!

Let's all take a deep breath and knock it off with the personal attacks.

We have a place here called "The Basement" if you would like to continue
this behavior in a non-public forum.

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If this petty-name calling and personal attacks does not cease & desist, Moderator action WILL be taken...

 

[thoracle]

You're still a complete IMBECILE who is unable to realize what the AMA and every doctor already knows: that LIFE does not begin the second a cum-wad hits a woman's WOMB!

Bottomboy:"Abortion is a sacred rite. And guess what? YOU do NOT get to make laws that change a woman's right to choose. You may whine and cry about it all day and stay up all night doing the same, but abortion is still happening."

You people cannot get your barbaric opinions represented in the legislative branch, so you use activist judges to jam your minority views down the rest of our throats. Now, the 90% of our nation that are not baby-killers is about ready to reverse it on you. John Roberts is one, and as soon as GW replaces O'connor, all you baby killers will be back in the alleys where you belong. Keep cheering the murder of innocents, *****boy, the end is near. Ha ha ha ha Even the Roe bitch said it should be illegal!!! Your days are numbered, murderer.

 

[shuamort]

Bottomboy:"Abortion is a sacred rite. And guess what? YOU do NOT get to make laws that change a woman's right to choose. You may whine and cry about it all day and stay up all night doing the same, but abortion is still happening."

You people cannot get your barbaric opinions represented in the legislative branch, so you use activist judges to jam your minority views down the rest of our throats. Now, the 90% of our nation that are not baby-killers is about ready to reverse it on you. John Roberts is one, and as soon as GW replaces O'connor, all you baby killers will be back in the alleys where you belong. Keep cheering the murder of innocents, *****boy, the end is near. Ha ha ha ha Even the Roe bitch said it should be illegal!!! Your days are numbered, murderer.

Mod Mode

Thoracle. You ignored the mod warning directly above your last post to stop the name calling in this thread. You are hanging on by a thread. Any more of this and you will be permanently banned.

/Mod Mode.

 

[Elektra]

Thoracle you are a man, so :stop: and just shut up about abortions! You dont know what it is like to be in the situation of an unwanted pregnancy. Your not open minded, you think you are right and i hope other people will back me up here. You don't care about other peoples feelings so don't pretend to be bothered about an unborn babies.

iF THERE ARE ANY WOMEN READING THIS OR MEN WHO UNDERSTAND ME PLEASE SPEAK OUT!

The truth is, men can not bear children and therefore shouldn't make decisions about those who can.Biology disadvanted you and created unequality, get used to it.

 

[thoracle]

Mod Mode

Thoracle. You ignored the mod warning directly above your last post to stop the name calling in this thread. You are hanging on by a thread. Any more of this and you will be permanently banned.

/Mod Mode.

Sorry, I didn't know that was to me. This 'guy' brings out the worst in me. I got it. No more name calling.

 

[thoracle]

The truth is, men can not bear children and therefore shouldn't make decisions about those who can.Biology disadvanted you and created unequality, get used to it.

If the authority over parenthood is so exclusive to women, why are men equally bound to provide for them? Equal rights only when it benefits the woman, right?

 

[sissy-boy]

Bottomboy:"Abortion is a sacred rite. And guess what? YOU do NOT get to make laws that change a woman's right to choose. You may whine and cry about it all day and stay up all night doing the same, but abortion is still happening."

You people cannot get your barbaric opinions represented in the legislative branch, so you use activist judges to jam your minority views down the rest of our throats. Now, the 90% of our nation that are not baby-killers is about ready to reverse it on you. John Roberts is one, and as soon as GW replaces O'connor, all you baby killers will be back in the alleys where you belong. Keep cheering the murder of innocents, *****boy, the end is near. Ha ha ha ha Even the Roe bitch said it should be illegal!!! Your days are numbered, murderer.

You can keep making up wet dreams all you want, but it will NEVER happen. The VAST *MAJORITY* of Americans ALL support a woman's right to choose to kill her unborn child if she wants to. So just accept it and get OVER your ignorance. The REAL problem is that there are far too FEW abortions on the planet. Humanity is still destroying the planet at an alarming rate. In fact an entire species is wiped out (EXTINCT FOREVER) at the rate of 1 every 15 minutes -- but screaming human BABIES always seem welcome at life's banquet: 'LIVE long and CONSUME', is humanity's deathmarch mantra, and it's AMERICAN's (and Japanese) who sqwash cultures all over the planet as they use up the entire planet's resources. You may not be aware of this factual statistic either:
"The average American consumes roughly 100 times the resources of one tribeswoman in Kenya, and about ten times as much as the average world citizen. Harvard zoologist E.O. Wilson has calculated that if the rest of the Earth used resources at the rate the United States and Japan do, the planet could sustain a population of only 200 million. The United States directly supports tyrants all over the world, so long as they allow us to exploit their resources. Like the Mafia, we make examples out of both Vietnam and Iraq because they refuse to play along." -- Noam Chomsky


Thank you for not breeding!
http://churchofeuthanasia.org

 

[sissy-boy]

If the authority over parenthood is so exclusive to women, why are men equally bound to provide for them? Equal rights only when it benefits the woman, right?

Is it time for you to take Human Sexuality 101?? BOTH parents are responsible for the child after it is born -- in nearly EVERY family court system. If a man objects to his child being aborted there are legal avenues he can take if needed. But I believe that in most every case it should be the woman's decision whether to have the child or not. After all, SHE is the 'incubator' for 9 months so SHE should have the say over whether the child is allowed to rent space in her womb. A man's decision simply shouldn't even enter discussion -- and NEITHER should men who want to try to stop abortion -- it's only a game of control -- usually over a weakness or their own waning sexuality. And WAR itself is only MENSTRUAL envy.

 

[vergiss]

Sorry, I didn't know that was to me. This 'guy' brings out the worst in me. I got it. No more name calling.

Who was it for? Santa Claus?

The cute thing is, that "guy" (what else is he, a moose?) is winning by a mile.

 

[thoracle]

Is it time for you to take Human Sexuality 101?? BOTH parents are responsible for the child after it is born -- in nearly EVERY family court system. If a man objects to his child being aborted there are legal avenues he can take if needed. But I believe that in most every case it should be the woman's decision whether to have the child or not. After all, SHE is the 'incubator' for 9 months so SHE should have the say over whether the child is allowed to rent space in her womb. A man's decision simply shouldn't even enter discussion -- and NEITHER should men who want to try to stop abortion -- it's only a game of control -- usually over a weakness or their own waning sexuality. And WAR itself is only MENSTRUAL envy.

"If a man objects to his child being aborted there are legal avenues he can take if needed."

What legal avenues?

 

[sissy-boy]

"If a man objects to his child being aborted there are legal avenues he can take if needed."

What legal avenues?

He can hire a lawyer and take her to court! It has happened and will continue too, though rare. MEN are almost ALWAYS pleased that the woman they screw will have an abortion and they almost always are ready to pay whatever it take to have the unborn baby's brains sucked out as quickly as possible. haha!!

 

[thoracle]

Who was it for? Santa Claus?

The cute thing is, that "guy" (what else is he, a moose?) is winning by a mile.

He is accurately representing you murdering zealots' point of view. You are correct. He is simply commenting on the murderous ways of our current system. He has not offered any moral defense (brcause there isn't one) for any of you murderers, though, has he. You are not here to debate the issue, Vergiss, you are trying to figure out a way to justify the murders you, yourself commit. You people will see the error of your ways one day, and I sincerely hope it's too late when you do. To the baby murderer and the Greek guy who wants to be a Greek girl, goodbye. I'm done.

 

[Elektra]

If the authority over parenthood is so exclusive to women, why are men equally bound to provide for them? Equal rights only when it benefits the woman, right?

Pregnancy does not affect men therefore they should not decide.It is not "parenthood" because men do not carry children. Parenthood concerns living beings, children actually born.

When the pregnancy is over and the child is born, whatever decision made will not solely affect the women. Equal rights and responsibility start then.

 

[sissy-boy]

He is accurately representing you murdering zealots' point of view. You are correct. He is simply commenting on the murderous ways of our current system. He has not offered any moral defense (brcause there isn't one) for any of you murderers, though, has he. You are not here to debate the issue, Vergiss, you are trying to figure out a way to justify the murders you, yourself commit. You people will see the error of your ways one day, and I sincerely hope it's too late when you do. To the baby murderer and the Greek guy who wants to be a Greek girl, goodbye. I'm done.

I'm glad you're 'done'. But I have to say that 'you murderers' makes me laugh outloud!! I'd hate to see what you call a person who kills a prisoner on death row, or a person who stones women to death or a RELIGION that endorses war. You're so out of touch with REALITY that you can't really be allowed to make rational decisions for yourSELF, it's people like you that are not able to handle freedom -- so you choose BONDAGE.

Curb your 'morality'. Or 'moralic acid' as Nietzsche called it.

 

[vergiss]

He is accurately representing you murdering zealots' point of view. You are correct. He is simply commenting on the murderous ways of our current system. He has not offered any moral defense (brcause there isn't one) for any of you murderers, though, has he. You are not here to debate the issue, Vergiss, you are trying to figure out a way to justify the murders you, yourself commit. You people will see the error of your ways one day, and I sincerely hope it's too late when you do. To the baby murderer and the Greek guy who wants to be a Greek girl, goodbye. I'm done.

You know, if I'd ever murdered someone, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to recall it. :lol:

 

[steen]

If the authority over parenthood is so exclusive to women, why are men equally bound to provide for them?

But then, men do have equal authority over parenthood. But they don't have authority over the pregnancy, as that is carried in the woman's body.

 

[steen]

He is accurately representing you murdering zealots' point of view.['/quote]Ah, MORE prolife hyperbole and misrepresentation.

You are correct. He is simply commenting on the murderous ways of our current system. He has not offered any moral defense (brcause there isn't one) for any of you murderers, though, has he. You are not here to debate the issue, Vergiss, you are trying to figure out a way to justify the murders you, yourself commit. You people will see the error of your ways one day, and I sincerely hope it's too late when you do. To the baby murderer and the Greek guy who wants to be a Greek girl, goodbye. I'm done.

Why are you lying about us being murderers?

 

[sissy-boy]

He is accurately representing you murdering zealots' point of view. You are correct. He is simply commenting on the murderous ways of our current system. He has not offered any moral defense (brcause there isn't one) for any of you murderers, though, has he. You are not here to debate the issue, Vergiss, you are trying to figure out a way to justify the murders you, yourself commit. You people will see the error of your ways one day, and I sincerely hope it's too late when you do. To the baby murderer and the Greek guy who wants to be a Greek girl, goodbye. I'm done.

For the record, I'm not Greek. I was born and raised in the Southwestern US.

 

[Elektra]

For the record, I'm not Greek. I was born and raised in the Southwestern US.

For the record: I'm not greek either.