I did not reduce it to that. I was highlighting one aspect of it. There are many contributing factors and much "blame", which everyone seems so eager to assign, to go around.
More important than blame is solutions. White america will have to play a part in the solution or it will not change
I had a dream that whites grew up hating blacks. They lacked empathy sympathy ,a moral compassi Many dominate the governments ,institutions and cause more violence in the world. They kill the people whom they think of inferior in other parts of the world in the name of so called democracy ,human rights and treat women like prostitutes and sluts .Then I woke up and realized that this was not a dream its everyday reality for many white men. jesus is rolling over in his grave and the racist whites perpetuate the problem by blaming it on the blacks instead of begining to learn how to accept the fact that they had discriminated the blacks and isolated them from the rest of the society up to 60s
ah..someone from turkey who is an expert on race relations in a country he's never even been in..great.. :roll:
Isn't that what you have been saying all along.
I believe those are called false equivalencies. (Great society is responsible for children out of wedlock etc.)
your liberals say something different from what l say ?
no
so lets forget my location
I believe those are called false equivalencies. (Great society is responsible for children out of wedlock etc.) Events taking place simultaneously does not necessarily indicate a causel relationship.
Although, I can not argue with you that the social welfare programs are flawed I do not see pulling the rug out from under people we have allowed to develop a dependency on them as being very effective. That will ultimately just create more of the same results, just in greater numbers.
It kind of helps to actually know what you're talking about. Rather than parroting what "liberals" say thousands of miles away.
Here..handle your own business before you lecture us.
In Turkey racism and ethnic discrimination are prevalent in its society and throughout its history, and this racism and ethnic discrimination is also institutional against the non-Muslim and non-Sunni minorities.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] This appears mainly in the form of negative attitudes and actions by Turks towards people who are not considered ethnically Turkish. Such discrimination is predominately towards non-Muslim minorities such as Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians, and others, as well as hostility towards various deviations of Islam such as Alevis, Sufis, and other Muslim non-Turks such as Kurds.
Racism and discrimination in modern Turkey can be traced back to the Ottoman Empire. Such Ottoman Turkish intellectuals such as Ali Suavi have stated in the 1860s that:[8]
Turks are superior to other races in political, military and cultural aspects
The Turkish language surpasses the European languages in its richness and excellence
Turks constructed the Islamic civilization.
With the establishment of the Republic of Turkey, non-Muslim citizens of the country have been subject to numerous instances of state-sponsored discrimination. For instance, many non-Muslims were fired from their jobs and were denied employment by the bureaucracy.[9][10] The State Employee Law enacted in 1926 aimed at the Turkification of work life in Turkey.[11][10] This law defined Turkishness as a necessary condition to become a state employee.
What, exactly, do you suggest as solutions?
It is (or should be) obvious that simply rewarding failure is not working out well. The all carrot approach did not work any better than the all stick approach, in fact, maybe it made things worse.
So programs that 'reward' behavior that is not conducive to advancing in society is a 'false equivalency', but it's ok to say that 'whites' are responsible for all those problems? Interesting.
l am not parroting anything ,l am pointing out that your argument that l dont know about USA is logically wrong
anyone who isnt too stupid and who is a little interested in world politics may know that the black were treated like animals in the past
slavery ended but existed as discrimination
Sorry. I don't. I do speak Italian pretty fluently and can read it pretty well, and a little french..but no turkish.if you trust yourself and can speka turkish ,join a turkish site and dicsuss our problems with me in my language
sorry l wont apologize to anyone for having knowledge about USA and dicussing any issue about it in english
Define poor.
That is simply not so. .
If things (e.g. crime rate and out of wedlock childbrith rate) got worse after a program was implemented that certainly does not indicate that the program was a success.
If you reward/subsidize something then you tend to get more of it - that is not some bizarre theory that must be proven. Poverty is a cycle, thus if the program does not break the cycle (the next generation needs it less than the first) then it did not succeed
We all seem to agree that neither all carrot nor all stick programs will work, yet some seem to want add carrots and the others want to add sticks (to the current mess that all see as not working).
It seems to me that by letting all 50 states (and giving DC to MD) start from ZERO (removing all federal income redistributon programs) is the best way to see a good mix of new carrot/stick programs created and tried.
Okay....
My dad was the sole breadwinner for our family. Back in the 80s and 90s when we were growing up, he made roughly $20,000 - $23,000 a year. He had 5 people to feed, clothe and protect. I cannot ever remember going out to a "sit down" (as we called it - with waiters/waitresses) restaurant. Ever. The first vacation we ever took was when I was in high school...... and we barely did anything because my dad had scrimped and saved what little he could to take us on our first family vacation. I can only remember one time getting brand new clothes - a dress for Easter. Everything was a hand-me-down from my sister or from the Salvation Army. I was the kid who never had the "cool" stuff at school. I never asked to be in dance or sports because I knew we didn't have the money. I was totally mortified by the car my dad drove because it was very old and very ugly. Our usual Christmas presents were socks, underwear and one or two "luxury" gifts (which weren't really luxury at all). I remember being so excited when I got the Girl Talk game. My friends at school, however, were getting Nintendos, Gameboys, CD players, clothes from the mall, jewelry, etc.
I know what poor is because I've experienced it. I've lived with my parents' anxiety of not knowing if they have enough money for the week. I've lived with the longing to want more, but knowing it wasn't possible at that time.
So.... I did well in school. Not because I had this grand idea that I would be successful and have money someday. I wanted to do well. My parents expected me to do well. I never got into drugs or the party scene at all. I got good grades, was in National Honor Society, got into a great private college and graduated with Bachelor's and Master's degrees (magna cum laude). Because of my specialty area (reading specialist), I make pretty darn good money for only teaching about 10 years.
Actually, when you look at it this way --- 5 people survived on $23,000....
I make more than twice that amount now and I only have me to feed, clothe and protect. I now can buy pretty much anything I want........ and I also give back to the parents who raised me to be the successful woman I am today.
How's that?
I agree. Although, I don't claim to have answers just lots of opinions which I am happy to share.
I think that because white america still has the majority of the power we have a role in repairing these communities, even if you look at it purely pragmatically...it is in our best interest. To begin with we need to address inequities in the quality of education, employment, housing, healthcare and the judicial system. Not just for black communities but for all poor communities. Put a stop to the War on Drugs, waste of time, money and resources. I said earlier that I think the foundation of all social programs should be something similar to the "give a man a fish you feed him for day....." philosophy because if you do not truly empower people to change their own lives you are being self serving. You get to feel like the good guy and they stay stuck where they are. Tip of the proverbial iceberg here but you get my drift.
The black communities need leaders from within that will reach into their communities and redirect kids to more constructive choices. There needs to be real accountability for services and assistance, perhaps volunteer service within your community for assistance. Trade school options etc. (again for all poor communities) I believe this would be a generational effort.
i used to hate tomatoes, once..i was very hungry, and the only thing we had in our pantry was a can of stewed tomatoes i ate them and loved every bite, today i love tomatoes, and get double on my burger.
being hungry makes you appreciate things more.....
I B Poor
Okay....
My dad was the sole breadwinner for our family. Back in the 80s and 90s when we were growing up, he made roughly $20,000 - $23,000 a year. He had 5 people to feed, clothe and protect. I cannot ever remember going out to a "sit down" (as we called it - with waiters/waitresses) restaurant. Ever. The first vacation we ever took was when I was in high school...... and we barely did anything because my dad had scrimped and saved what little he could to take us on our first family vacation. I can only remember one time getting brand new clothes - a dress for Easter. Everything was a hand-me-down from my sister or from the Salvation Army. I was the kid who never had the "cool" stuff at school. I never asked to be in dance or sports because I knew we didn't have the money. I was totally mortified by the car my dad drove because it was very old and very ugly. Our usual Christmas presents were socks, underwear and one or two "luxury" gifts (which weren't really luxury at all). I remember being so excited when I got the Girl Talk game. My friends at school, however, were getting Nintendos, Gameboys, CD players, clothes from the mall, jewelry, etc.
I know what poor is because I've experienced it. I've lived with my parents' anxiety of not knowing if they have enough money for the week. I've lived with the longing to want more, but knowing it wasn't possible at that time.
So.... I did well in school. Not because I had this grand idea that I would be successful and have money someday. I wanted to do well. My parents expected me to do well. I never got into drugs or the party scene at all. I got good grades, was in National Honor Society, got into a great private college and graduated with Bachelor's and Master's degrees (magna cum laude). Because of my specialty area (reading specialist), I make pretty darn good money for only teaching about 10 years.
Actually, when you look at it this way --- 5 people survived on $23,000....
I make more than twice that amount now and I only have me to feed, clothe and protect. I now can buy pretty much anything I want........ and I also give back to the parents who raised me to be the successful woman I am today.
How's that?
.Many efforts along these lines, e.g. charter school/vouchers, enterpirse zones and "workfare" programs have been suggested. The basic problem is the federalization - i.e. one size fits all simply does not work.The basic problem with all income redistribution programs is that they tend to take money from group A, be run by group B to try to help group C. The lower the level of gov't then the closer the funders, implementors and end users (the ABCs) are to each other. Taking money from NYC and giving it to some tiny town in Texas but having control remain in DC makes absolutely no sense at al
The basis for all such programs should be to encourage real education (including job training), reduce crime (including child/mother abandonment) and to encourage two parent households. None of these programs should have any federal involvement (funding or control via mandates).
I had a dream that black boys grew up without fathers. They lacked dicipline and a moral compass. Many join gangs or lead a life of crime. They kill each other and treat women like bitches and hoes. Then I woke up and realized that this was not a dream its everyday reality for many young black men. MLK is rolling over in his grave and the race merchants perpetuate the problem by blaming it on the white man instead of looking within to help solve the problems in their communities.
i used to hate tomatoes, once..i was very hungry, and the only thing we had in our pantry was a can of stewed tomatoes i ate them and loved every bite, today i love tomatoes, and get double on my burger.
being hungry makes you appreciate things more.....
l appreciate your struggle and determination to earn your life josie ,and your father too.Okay....
My dad was the sole breadwinner for our family. Back in the 80s and 90s when we were growing up, he made roughly $20,000 - $23,000 a year. He had 5 people to feed, clothe and protect. I cannot ever remember going out to a "sit down" (as we called it - with waiters/waitresses) restaurant. Ever. The first vacation we ever took was when I was in high school...... and we barely did anything because my dad had scrimped and saved what little he could to take us on our first family vacation. I can only remember one time getting brand new clothes - a dress for Easter. Everything was a hand-me-down from my sister or from the Salvation Army. I was the kid who never had the "cool" stuff at school. I never asked to be in dance or sports because I knew we didn't have the money. I was totally mortified by the car my dad drove because it was very old and very ugly. Our usual Christmas presents were socks, underwear and one or two "luxury" gifts (which weren't really luxury at all). I remember being so excited when I got the Girl Talk game. My friends at school, however, were getting Nintendos, Gameboys, CD players, clothes from the mall, jewelry, etc.
I know what poor is because I've experienced it. I've lived with my parents' anxiety of not knowing if they have enough money for the week. I've lived with the longing to want more, but knowing it wasn't possible at that time.
So.... I did well in school. Not because I had this grand idea that I would be successful and have money someday. I wanted to do well. My parents expected me to do well. I never got into drugs or the party scene at all. I got good grades, was in National Honor Society, got into a great private college and graduated with Bachelor's and Master's degrees (magna cum laude). Because of my specialty area (reading specialist), I make pretty darn good money for only teaching about 10 years.
Actually, when you look at it this way --- 5 people survived on $23,000....
I make more than twice that amount now and I only have me to feed, clothe and protect. I now can buy pretty much anything I want........ and I also give back to the parents who raised me to be the successful woman I am today.
How's that?
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