I find it hard to believe that some people think they have a right

[AGENT J]

This is a Christian country, and the Bible does say that the husband is to be the decison maker. The wife must be obedient.

no its not a christian country, its a country that happens to have Christians in it

 

[RamFel]

1.) no hiding at all, still waiting for you to fulfill that request you never did :shrug:

2.) your welcom to that opinion, maybe you are right but I havent seen any evidence of that.

3.) well actually it still doesnt because these are the facts.

in your case you ignore the life of the women, women die from pregnancy, doesnt many how small that number is, they do die without prior signs that its going to happen. SO to ban abortion and give the ZEF 100% rights would be FORCING the women to risk her life against her will and some of them would be killed because of that so you in fact would NOT "stamp it out" 100%

so no it doesnt make sense.


now to be clear im not saying there IS a way for it to be fair or right in every case or stamp it out, there isnt but I can rationally act like always choosing one of the other is "right" because neither is right its just an unfortunate choice that has to be.

I did provide proof, but remember you refused it? Remember that? Then you always do that counter thing, over and over again, thereby avoiding having to respond.

But that’s OK. Every time you do it, I’ll just take it as your surrender.

I have a different view. I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, but I think it’s a racial and population control thing. There are a lot of nuts in the world. The Aryan nation is a good example. There are a lot of people that want to purify their race, stamp out minorities. It has happened before, and some out there are funding multiple efforts to do it again. That’s why they want abortion.

And I believe that the denial of God is at the root of it all. Without Gods laws to guide us, we make up our own rules, and laws, and look where it has us. People are fighting for the right to kill.

It doesn’t make sense to you, but it does to me.

 

[melons]

Not true. He doesn't actually post his opinions. Certainly never facts or reality, but neither does he post actual opinions. That's what someone here in good faith would do.

Lesson learned, I hope?

Definitely lesson learned. Only certain people with certain "ideas" are welcomed in certain posts. I will figure it out as I go along.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)I did provide proof, but remember you refused it? Remember that? Then you always do that counter thing, over and over again, thereby avoiding having to respond.

But that’s OK. Every time you do it, I’ll just take it as your surrender.

2.)I have a different view. I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, but I think it’s a racial and population control thing. There are a lot of nuts in the world. The Aryan nation is a good example. There are a lot of people that want to purify their race, stamp out minorities. It has happened before, and some out there are funding multiple efforts to do it again. That’s why they want abortion.

And I believe that the denial of God is at the root of it all. Without Gods laws to guide us, we make up our own rules, and laws, and look where it has us. People are fighting for the right to kill.

It doesn’t make sense to you, but it does to me.

1.) no you didnt, you restated your OPINION again LMAO
cant respond when theres no where to go, i provide facts that proved you wrong, you disagreed and I ask for proof and you offered none :shrug:

you cant take it however YOU want LMAO that meaningless, everybody honest sees the truth
I do the counter every time somebody refuses to be honest

anyway

2.) good lord a racial conspiracy? LMAO

again its doesnt have to make sense to ME, facts disagree with you, its why you ignored the fact that giving all the power would NOT stop the killing, it would still continue

 

[AGENT J]

Definitely lesson learned. Only certain people with certain "ideas" are welcomed in certain posts. I will figure it out as I go along.

good luck, many of the objective and honest posters here will challenge you every time you push your false opinion as fact and you will continue to get exposed and called on it every time you do it.

like I said if you want better conversation be honest if not maybe look for a place where all the posts are dishonest and or share the same OPINIONS that they falsely think are facts.

I tried, like I said the issue is you :shrug:

 

[minnie616]

This is a Christian country, ....

Sorry you are mistaken. THe USA is NOT and never was A " Christian Nation".

The Christian Nation Myth

Farrell Till

Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of religion into the affairs of government, a flood of editorials, articles, and letters protesting the ruling is sure to appear in the newspapers.

Many protesters decry these decisions on the grounds that they conflict with the wishes and intents of the "founding fathers."


Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts.

The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists.

Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution.
Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws.
The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it.[/B]
They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man.
A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion.

Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html

 

[melons]

good luck, many of the objective and honest posters here will challenge you every time you push your false opinion as fact and you will continue to get exposed and called on it every time you do it.

like I said if you want better conversation be honest if not maybe look for a place where all the posts are dishonest and or share the same OPINIONS that they falsely think are facts.

I tried, like I said the issue is you :shrug:

That's fine. I guess it just shows the kind of world we live in today. I never imagined that people actually thought if you understood the common outcome of an action and still performed the action that you are still not responsible for the result of the action. My bad....... because apparently that is just the way I was raised and not the way everyone was raised and it obviously isn't "fact" to everyone. So I guess if you want to consider yourself right and me wrong..then you can (as you will anyway). But I won't change my tune, I will just refrain from speaking it here.

 

[Ryan25]

no its not a christian country, its a country that happens to have Christians in it

I am agreeing here, i am christian and its people that make these comments make anyone religion oriented look bad. Calling the USA a CHRISTIAN country is like saying Basketball is a African American sport or Trix are only for kids. Simply not true.

 

[AGENT J]

That's fine. I guess it just shows the kind of world we live in today. I never imagined that people actually thought if you understood the common outcome of an action and still performed the action that you are still not responsible for the result of the action. My bad....... because apparently that is just the way I was raised and not the way everyone was raised and it obviously isn't "fact" to everyone. So I guess if you want to consider yourself right and me wrong..then you can (as you will anyway). But I won't change my tune, I will just refrain from speaking it here.

more dishonesty, how sad and again changed from your original statement.

Im not trying trying to change your tune or your false opinion, you are free to have it

and again you are making the HUGE inaccurate mistake of THINKING this is between me and you, it has nothing to do with me or what I believe or what I think. I may even agree with your opinions but I was just pointing out the fact you are wrong because you pushed it as fact. Its not a fact, even iif I agree with it and never will be :shrug:

for some reason you still can not admit this and thats why the problem is with you.

not judging you for having that opinion, im not telling you that you are wrong for FEELING that way, only trying to educate you to the fact that your feelings are merely your opinion and nothing more.

You dont have to "refrain" from speaking it either, hell say it every day, try to make people agree with you and tell them why, just simply dont say your opinion is a fact cause its not.

Im not sure why this is so hard for you.

 

[RamFel]

1.) no you didnt, you restated your OPINION again LMAO
cant respond when theres no where to go, i provide facts that proved you wrong, you disagreed and I ask for proof and you offered none :shrug:

you cant take it however YOU want LMAO that meaningless, everybody honest sees the truth
I do the counter every time somebody refuses to be honest

anyway

2.) good lord a racial conspiracy? LMAO

again its doesnt have to make sense to ME, facts disagree with you, its why you ignored the fact that giving all the power would NOT stop the killing, it would still continue

Yeah, I did. And maybe “YOU” can’t respond, but I can’t help you there. So, go ahead and just do your counter if responding is too difficult for you.

Yes, a racial conspiracy.

But maybe you think that there are no nuts in the world. Maybe you think that another Hitler isn’t possible in this day and age. Nobody wants power. Nobody wants control. There are no racists. Everybody wants peace and love.

But remember. There are those in the world who want to keep the killing of babies legal. Hitler was not that long ago. There are a bunch of world leaders out there who want to destroy Israel, and want Sharia law here in this country. Iran is trying to build a nuclear bomb. North Korea already has one or two. 11 years ago, the World Trade Center, and the Pentagon were attacked. They may have been aiming another one at the White House, or the Capital Building. There are still attacks going on today. Should I go on?

A racial conspiracy is possible, so LMAO all you want. I prefer to take a more realistic and practical view.

 

[AGENT J]

That's fine. I guess it just shows the kind of world we live in today. I never imagined that people actually thought if you understood the common outcome of an action and still performed the action that you are still not responsible for the result of the action. My bad....... because apparently that is just the way I was raised and not the way everyone was raised and it obviously isn't "fact" to everyone. So I guess if you want to consider yourself right and me wrong..then you can (as you will anyway). But I won't change my tune, I will just refrain from speaking it here.

Here im going to try my best to through you a bone

here is your statment again, maybe you meant something in your head that you didnt say.

If you have sex, you know what may result, so yes you are agreeing to the possible terms. .

what do you think people are agreeing too?

 

[melons]

more dishonesty, how sad and again changed from your original statement.

Im not trying trying to change your tune or your false opinion, you are free to have it

and again you are making the HUGE inaccurate mistake of THINKING this is between me and you, it has nothing to do with me or what I believe or what I think. I may even agree with your opinions but I was just pointing out the fact you are wrong because you pushed it as fact. Its not a fact, even iif I agree with it and never will be :shrug:

for some reason you still can not admit this and thats why the problem is with you.

not judging you for having that opinion, im not telling you that you are wrong for FEELING that way, only trying to educate you to the fact that your feelings are merely your opinion and nothing more.

You dont have to "refrain" from speaking it either, hell say it every day, try to make people agree with you and tell them why, just simply dont say your opinion is a fact cause its not.

Im not sure why this is so hard for you.

Because it never dawned on me that people actually thought that engaging in an act knowing what commonly results from the act constitutes an excuse of "I am not responsible" and because it takes two people to engage in that act then both are responsible. I don't feel that I personally have a right to tell someone they can have an abortion or not. I do have the right to vote in lawmakers who either support or don't support abortion. But I do feel that the man who also engaged in the act has rights. And I realize there is another thread for this, but the point is, the woman knew she was including the man when she engaged in the act and I have a hard time allowing her to sole ability to make that decision about her body once she realizes she is pregnant even though she knew that it from the "get go" that pregnancy commonly results from that action of engaging in "that act" with a man. Maybe that was a better way to explain the way that I see it. I hope.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Yeah, I did. And maybe “YOU” can’t respond, but I can’t help you there. So, go ahead and just do your counter if responding is too difficult for you.

2.)Yes, a racial conspiracy.

3.)But maybe you think that there are no nuts in the world. Maybe you think that another Hitler isn’t possible in this day and age. Nobody wants power. Nobody wants control. There are no racists. Everybody wants peace and love.

But remember. There are those in the world who want to keep the killing of babies legal. Hitler was not that long ago. There are a bunch of world leaders out there who want to destroy Israel, and want Sharia law here in this country. Iran is trying to build a nuclear bomb. North Korea already has one or two. 11 years ago, the World Trade Center, and the Pentagon were attacked. They may have been aiming another one at the White House, or the Capital Building. There are still attacks going on today. Should I go on?

A racial conspiracy is possible, so LMAO all you want. I prefer to take a more realistic and practical view.

1.) no you repeated your false opinion :shrug:
my statement still stand 100%, you did nothing to disprove it.

2.) thats a joke IMO a complete and utter joke

3.) I think you must be responding to someone else because nobody rational would get any of the nonsense you posted form anything I said LMAO

4.) I noticed AGAIN how you are ignoring the fact the giving all the power to the ZEF would continue to kill poeple, weird lol

 

[RamFel]

1.) no you repeated your false opinion :shrug:
my statement still stand 100%, you did nothing to disprove it.

2.) thats a joke IMO a complete and utter joke

3.) I think you must be responding to someone else because nobody rational would get any of the nonsense you posted form anything I said LMAO

4.) I noticed AGAIN how you are ignoring the fact the giving all the power to the ZEF would continue to kill poeple, weird lol

No. I think you lacked the ability to respond. Because if I was so wrong, then responding would have been the easiest and smartest thing to do.

But you didn't do that. Did you?

 

[AGENT J]

Because it never dawned on me that people actually thought that engaging in an act knowing what commonly results from the act constitutes an excuse of "I am not responsible" and because it takes two people to engage in that act then both are responsible. I don't feel that I personally have a right to tell someone they can have an abortion or not. I do have the right to vote in lawmakers who either support or don't support abortion. But I do feel that the man who also engaged in the act has rights. And I realize there is another thread for this, but the point is, the woman knew she was including the man when she engaged in the act and I have a hard time allowing her to sole ability to make that decision about her body once she realizes she is pregnant even though she knew that it from the "get go" that pregnancy commonly results from that action of engaging in "that act" with a man. Maybe that was a better way to explain the way that I see it. I hope.

well thats your fault you dont understand your opinion vs fact then, thats not my fault, im sorry it gives you that much trouble but facts dont care about that stuff.

also statistically speaking, giving birth does NOT commonly happen from sex by any stretch of the imagination. Babies probably result from sex 1% of the time.

ALso many people think it is responsible to abort, they are not more right that you are.

Im not sure I understand that last part, are you suggesting a man should have the power to force the woman to give birth? of just saying he should have more rights and have more control outside of abortion/birth.

 

[AGENT J]

No. I think you lacked the ability to respond. Because if I was so wrong, then responding would have been the easiest and smartest thing to do.

But you didn't do that. Did you?

im sure you do think that :shrug: and I did respond many times, I stopped once you started playing gams and started lying
however the thread is there with all the proof that is needed

my statements stands, you repeated your opinion and couldn't support it with facts

heres the fact: consent to sex is not consent to giving birth.

if you THINK that is not true by all means have at it hoss, prove that fact wrong, you will fail every time

by the way you are doing exactly what you did before, you ignored number 4 in my post AGAIN, wonder why? lol

 

[Paratrooper]

to tell ALL the women in the US when they can have a baby, how many babies they should have and by whom these babies will be fathered, and then not assume responsibility for a good quality life for all children in the US. Good jobs for their parents(s), good education through college if desired, good housing, good clothes, plenty of food and exercise, vacations.

I just can't understand someone who thinks they know so much about every woman in the US, that they would even make these demands. Now I know, it's based on "religious" ideas. I get that. But why not just tell the women in your church to not have an abortion? Seems the congregation could support a child and mother if need be.

I find it hard to believe that some women can pop out babies like its going out of style when they have no ability to provide for them and then expect someone else to pick up the tab.
I Got 15 Kids & 3 Babydaddys-SOMEONE'S GOTTA PAY FOR ME & MY KIDS!!! - YouTube

Its not as if she woke up one morning and was like "Oh snap! I have 12 kids".

 

[RamFel]

im sure you do think that :shrug: and I did respond many times, I stopped once you started playing gams and started lying
however the thread is there with all the proof that is needed

my statements stands, you repeated your opinion and couldn't support it with facts

heres the fact: consent to sex is not consent to giving birth.

if you THINK that is not true by all means have at it hoss, prove that fact wrong, you will fail every time

by the way you are doing exactly what you did before, you ignored number 4 in my post AGAIN, wonder why? lol

I never disputed that! HA HA. LMAO !!! I was talking about the true and only purpose of sex being procreation. Remember? HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Why don't you go play with your counter now.

 

[RamFel]

Good night all.

 

[AGENT J]

I never disputed that! HA HA. LMAO !!! I was talking about the true and only purpose of sex being procreation. Remember? HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Why don't you go play with your counter now.

you see, that first statement is 100% your opinion :shrug: not sure what you dont get, its simply not true, its just your OPINION.

if you disagree PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE provide facts to support your false claim

and you ignored number 4 again LOL you are so easy.

 

[RamFel]

you see, that first statement is 100% your opinion :shrug: not sure what you dont get, its simply not true, its just your OPINION.

if you disagree PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE provide facts to support your false claim

and you ignored number 4 again LOL you are so easy.

I'll tell you what. Why don't you just re-read my proof, then post your disagreement.

Then re-read my proof again, and post your disagreement again.

Take breaks if you want.

Then re-read my proof again, and post your disagreement again. Take more breaks.

Repeat as necessary.

Because since my proof is solid, I'm only going to post the same thing over and over again anyway.

Why should I go through all that work?

Since you're the one having trouble dealing with facts, then you deserve to do all the work. Not me.

Have at it.

 

[AGENT J]

I'll tell you what. Why don't you just re-read my proof, then post your disagreement.

Then re-read my proof again, and post your disagreement again.

Take breaks if you want.

Then re-read my proof again, and post your disagreement again. Take more breaks.

Repeat as necessary.

Because since my proof is solid, I'm only going to post the same thing over and over again anyway.

Why should I go through all that work?

Since you're the one having trouble dealing with facts, then you deserve to do all the work. Not me.

Have at it.

you didnt post any "Proof" or any facts?
where is it at? LMAO

 

[minnie616]

That's fine. I guess it just shows the kind of world we live in today. I never imagined that people actually thought if you understood the common outcome of an action and still performed the action that you are still not responsible for the result of the action. My bad....... because apparently that is just the way I was raised and not the way everyone was raised and it obviously isn't "fact" to everyone. So I guess if you want to consider yourself right and me wrong..then you can (as you will anyway). But I won't change my tune, I will just refrain from speaking it here.

You are right not everyone was raised the way you were.

Not everyone belives that life begins at conception.

Some of us believe that an embryo or fetus is a delveloping being and is not yet a person.

THe citizens in the USA are of many religions and nationalities and they may have different beliefs than you do.

Why gives a person of one religion or of a certain belief the right to FORCE their own beliefs on others?

The fetus is not considered a person under Jewish law.
The fetus is regarded as a pre-human.It is NOT considered to be fully a person until birth. Once the head has come out it may not be harmed for it is considered born.

There are about 40 different Christian denominations who also do not believe life begins at conception.
THey believe that life/ensoulment begins later in the pregnancy such as when the fetus becomes viable or when it born and takes it's first breath.

 

[melons]

You are right not everyone was raised the way you were.

Not everyone belives that life begins at conception.

Some of us believe that an embryo or fetus is a delveloping being and is not yet a person.

THe citizens in the USA are of many religions and nationalities and have and they may have different beliefs than you do.

Why gives a person of one religion or of a certain belief the right to FORCe their own beliefs on others?

The fetus is not considered a person under Jewish law.
The fetus is regarded as a pre-human.It is NOT considered to be fully a person until birth. Once the head has come out it may not be harmed for it is considered born.

There are about Christian denominations who also do not believe life begins at conception.
THey believe that life/ensoulment begins later in the pregnancy such as when the fetus becomes viable or when it born and takes its first breath.

I understand that. I really do. But even with that thought in mind, there are inequalities in the abortion process. What about the rights of the man to that embryo, which is obviously half his creation? Abortion takes away his right. Does he have one? To me, abortion as a whole, no matter what your beliefs, isn't carried out fairly if the woman is just allowed to make the sole decision. And when inequality comes into the picture then do people have a right to stand up for that inequality? So do people have a right to say if you have a baby. Maybe some do, I am not convinced of that.

 

[RamFel]

you didnt post any "Proof" or any facts?
where is it at? LMAO

It's out there. You read it and rejected it.

Find it, read it, and reject it as many times as you like. It's not going to change just to please you.

You lose.