I find it hard to believe that some people think they have a right

[minnie616]

But you supported the demonization with your affirmation of her assumption. Pretty close to the same thing. Regardless, she apologized. Let's move on.

If you think that then you are wrong.
I was just letting her know that I misread it too.

 

[JayDubya]

I was just letting her know that I misread it too.

No, you didn't.

 

[AGENT J]

He spoke clearly enough for me to understand exactly what he meant. Also, mac is very civil. He just gives what he gets. Same with me.

yep you did GUESS right many at least 3 others thought otherwise, cant speak for them but I did say it SEEMED he meant that and he COULD have meant that

sorry I have personally seen mac be very uncivil and straight up ignorant simply because he disagreed or was proven wrong and thats a fact. :shrug:

 

[AGENT J]

If you think that then you are wrong.
I was just letting her know that I misread it too.

well IMO obviously you didn't misread anything, it was stated unclear therefore caused confusion.

 

[melons]

Yep she tried that same BS with me and failed. When she realized she was wrong, she tried to save face and back pedal and tweak her statement lol I found it very funny

I don't back peddle so I guess you imagined that one......and when I get tired of lies and twists and turns...I generally move on to a new subject. It gets old arguing with people who don't want to talk logically and politely. I am always willing to agree to disagree but I don't like people who are too hard headed to even try to grasp what others are saying. It is fine to have your own opinion but you should always recognize it for what it is, an opinion and give others the same exact respect that you would want to receive. I found you to be of no interest to hold a conversation with because you refuse to budge on your convictions enough to even attempt to have a reasonable conversation with someone who has a different opinion. I enjoy talking with people who feel differently than I do, but only when the other person attempts the conversation with respect and you don't do that.

 

[AGENT J]

I don't back peddle so I guess you imagined that one......and when I get tired of lies and twists and turns...I generally move on to a new subject. It gets old arguing with people who don't want to talk logically and politely. I am always willing to agree to disagree but I don't like people who are too hard headed to even try to grasp what others are saying. It is fine to have your own opinion but you should always recognize it for what it is, an opinion and give others the same exact respect that you would want to receive. I found you to be of no interest to hold a conversation with because you refuse to budge on your convictions enough to even attempt to have a reasonable conversation with someone who has a different opinion. I enjoy talking with people who feel differently than I do, but only when the other person attempts the conversation with respect and you don't do that.

pot meet kettle because you in fact back pedaled, its a fact!

Your statements was also 100% WRONG because you pushed as fact.

then when I asked you to admit it was only your opinion you ran from that opportunity, so look in the mirror and you will find the source of all you problems if you truly believe what you say above because in our conversation you demonstrated the exact opposite.

I cant respect somebody that is dishonest.

If we were talking my opinion vs yours i would GLADLY admit that but the topic was that you made an incorrect statement then when called on it, instead of admitting it with integrity you simply denied it was just your opinion, then changed your statement.

if you want honest, reasonable conversation, start there instead and thats how you should conduct yourself, you did NOT, and then maybe next time it will work out better for you.

Let me know when you are ready, you can start by admitting your statement is either wrong or only your opinion.

Until you can do this, the problem is all on your side of the conversation :shrug:

If you have sex, you know what may result, so yes you are agreeing to the possible terms.

the above statement is either false or nothing more than your OPINION, pick one

THEN there can be honest, reasonable, conversation.

 

[RamFel]

to tell ALL the women in the US when they can have a baby, how many babies they should have and by whom these babies will be fathered, and then not assume responsibility for a good quality life for all children in the US. Good jobs for their parents(s), good education through college if desired, good housing, good clothes, plenty of food and exercise, vacations.

I just can't understand someone who thinks they know so much about every woman in the US, that they would even make these demands. Now I know, it's based on "religious" ideas. I get that. But why not just tell the women in your church to not have an abortion? Seems the congregation could support a child and mother if need be.

I take a different view. It’s not about a woman’s right. It’s not about control. But it is about what’s right. It should be no mystery to anyone that killing is wrong. But since it has become politicized, and it’s amazing how it changes people’s views and how they can accept the horrible as normal, and right,

And I agree with you about the religion aspect. Because God is not in the picture, evil becomes acceptable. Normal. And even a right.

 

[AGENT J]

I take a different view. It’s not about a woman’s right. It’s not about control. But it is about what’s right. It should be no mystery to anyone that killing is wrong. But since it has become politicized, and it’s amazing how it changes people’s views and how they can accept the horrible as normal, and right,

And I agree with you about the religion aspect. Because God is not in the picture, evil becomes acceptable. Normal. And even a right.

but the issue is theres 2 lives involved, acting like one doesnt exist isnt "right" :shrug:

choosing the zef is ignoring the mother, thats not right
choosing the woman is ignoring the zef, thats not right

so of course you cant automatically go with either, people just need to realize the fact BOTH lives need recognized because they both exist and those are the facts, so always choosing ONE of the other is just as WRONG as any other choose.


In MOST cases I choose the woman but not in all cases, the woman is the already born viable human being that is also a citizen so she is going to get my vote most of the time.

Now choosing her most of the time is just my OPINION but ill never be dishonest enough to act as if there is a "right" choice, thats why it needs to stay a choice. My choice is for ME not to be forced on others.

I would like to see a national cap on when that choice can be made though.

 

[melons]

pot meet kettle because you in fact back pedaled, its a fact!

Your statements was also 100% WRONG because you pushed as fact.

then when I asked you to admit it was only your opinion you ran from that opportunity, so look in the mirror and you will find the source of all you problems if you truly believe what you say above because in our conversation you demonstrated the exact opposite.

I cant respect somebody that is dishonest.

If we were talking my opinion vs yours i would GLADLY admit that but the topic was that you made an incorrect statement then when called on it, instead of admitting it with integrity you simply denied it was just your opinion, then changed your statement.

if you want honest, reasonable conversation, start there instead and thats how you should conduct yourself, you did NOT, and then maybe next time it will work out better for you.

Let me know when you are ready, you can start by admitting your statement is either wrong or only your opinion.

Until you can do this, the problem is all on your side of the conversation :shrug:



the above statement is either false or nothing more than your OPINION, pick one

THEN there can be honest, reasonable, conversation.

It is a fact to me and not a fact to you. So obviously you have an opinion and I have an opinion and neither of us have fact. You can't have it both ways and your opinion does not constitute as fact just because you want it to. So, no, I did not back peddle. Not once. But I am sure you enjoy saying that I did.

 

[nota bene]

I don't back peddle so I guess you imagined that one......and when I get tired of lies and twists and turns...I generally move on to a new subject. It gets old arguing with people who don't want to talk logically and politely. I am always willing to agree to disagree but I don't like people who are too hard headed to even try to grasp what others are saying. It is fine to have your own opinion but you should always recognize it for what it is, an opinion and give others the same exact respect that you would want to receive. I found you to be of no interest to hold a conversation with because you refuse to budge on your convictions enough to even attempt to have a reasonable conversation with someone who has a different opinion. I enjoy talking with people who feel differently than I do, but only when the other person attempts the conversation with respect and you don't do that.

I've said the same. There is no point in attempting to have a reasonable discussion when the posts are predictable. I never realized personal attacks could be so boring. You're dishonest...you're a liar...blah, blah, blah.

 

[RamFel]

but the issue is theres 2 lives involved, acting like one doesnt exist isnt "right" :shrug:

choosing the zef is ignoring the mother, thats not right
choosing the woman is ignoring the zef, thats not right

so of course you cant automatically go with either, people just need to realize the fact BOTH lives need recognized because they both exist and those are the facts, so always choosing ONE of the other is just as WRONG as any other choose.


In MOST cases I choose the woman but not in all cases, the woman is the already born viable human being that is also a citizen so she is going to get my vote most of the time.

Now choosing her most of the time is just my OPINION but ill never be dishonest enough to act as if there is a "right" choice, thats why it needs to stay a choice. My choice is for ME not to be forced on others.

I would like to see a national cap on when that choice can be made though.

Well, look who’s back!

I have to disagree. There may be a case, or two from time to time where the woman has to be considered. But that doesn’t seem to be what is happening. What seems to be happening is that pro-choice people want an all-or-nothing approach.

You, on the other hand, seem to want some agreement between the two sides, and that can seem really decent and reasonable, and maybe that’s you. But the rest of the pro-choice crowd really want it all.

But killing is killing. And evil is evil. You can’t sugar coat it.

The woman should get consideration only in the most extreme situations. The baby should really get a majority of the consideration. As close to 100 percent as possible.

All or nothing.

 

[AGENT J]

It is a fact to me and not a fact to you. So obviously you have an opinion and I have an opinion and neither of us have fact. You can't have it both ways and your opinion does not constitute as fact just because you want it to. So, no, I did not back peddle. Not once. But I am sure you enjoy saying that I did.

no its a fact that your statement at best is an opinion, PERIOD. Calling it a fact makes you 100% wrong, if you call it an opinion than thats ok.

SO again until you admit this fact you are the issue. It is NOT a fact no matter how you look at it. thats nonsense.

My opinion is meaningless, it has no impact to the discussion, i didnt even state my opinion about the topic I am calling wrong. I simply point out the fact that your statement was nothing more than an opinion. :shrug:

you can excpt this fact or not, it doesnt matter, tomorrow your statement will be nothing more than your opinion.

Its funny you want honest and reasonable conversation but yet refuse to a acknowledge what is only your opinion.

lastly, yes you 100% back pedaled, as pointed out by me and other posters, now you are lying about it, unless of course you simply don't realize that you changed your statement because you in fact did.

so again I ask you to be the person you claim you are and want to be treated as such and admit your statement is false or its your opinion, there are no other choices. :shrug:

 

[melons]

pot meet kettle because you in fact back pedaled, its a fact!

Your statements was also 100% WRONG because you pushed as fact.

then when I asked you to admit it was only your opinion you ran from that opportunity, so look in the mirror and you will find the source of all you problems if you truly believe what you say above because in our conversation you demonstrated the exact opposite.

I cant respect somebody that is dishonest.

If we were talking my opinion vs yours i would GLADLY admit that but the topic was that you made an incorrect statement then when called on it, instead of admitting it with integrity you simply denied it was just your opinion, then changed your statement.

if you want honest, reasonable conversation, start there instead and thats how you should conduct yourself, you did NOT, and then maybe next time it will work out better for you.

Let me know when you are ready, you can start by admitting your statement is either wrong or only your opinion.

Until you can do this, the problem is all on your side of the conversation :shrug:



the above statement is either false or nothing more than your OPINION, pick one

THEN there can be honest, reasonable, conversation.

Just in case I need to make it a little clearer for you to understand. If my opinion can't be fact to you then your opinion can't be fact to me. It works both ways. And if if you are too closed minded to understand what I am trying to tell you then my post about you being not enjoyable to converse is true. You can't post your opinions as facts and the scream with others do the same thing.

 

[AGENT J]

Well, look who’s back!

I have to disagree. There may be a case, or two from time to time where the woman has to be considered. But that doesn’t seem to be what is happening. What seems to be happening is that pro-choice people want an all-or-nothing approach.

You, on the other hand, seem to want some agreement between the two sides, and that can seem really decent and reasonable, and maybe that’s you. But the rest of the pro-choice crowd really want it all.

But killing is killing. And evil is evil. You can’t sugar coat it.

The woman should get consideration only in the most extreme situations. The baby should really get a majority of the consideration. As close to 100 percent as possible.

All or nothing.

back? where did I go?

first off you are wrong about pro-choice, most I know dont want 100% control, most i know all are for banning late term abortions even though the reality is they hardly ever happen at all and when they do typically its to save the mothers life.

You are talking about the minority.

next basically you just said pro-choice is wrong because they want it all or almost all of it but you are not wrong eventhough you want it all or almost all of it.


they think they should always or almost always rank the mothers life more important = wrong, evil
you think you should always or almost always rank the ZEFs life more important = not wrong, not evil

please tell me how that makes sense?

 

[RamFel]

I've said the same. There is no point in attempting to have a reasonable discussion when the posts are predictable. I never realized personal attacks could be so boring. You're dishonest...you're a liar...blah, blah, blah.

Personal attacks always seem to come from not having the facts on your side.

Unless you're responding in kind.

 

[AGENT J]

Just in case I need to make it a little clearer for you to understand. If my opinion can't be fact to you then your opinion can't be fact to me. It works both ways. And if if you are too closed minded to understand what I am trying to tell you then my post about you being not enjoyable to converse is true. You can't post your opinions as facts and the scream with others do the same thing.

you were clear, you are simply wrong and dont get it becuase of dishonesty, biased or simply lack of education about the topic at hand

we arent discussion "my opinion". we are discussing how you think and you are saying your opinion is fact and it simply is not.

this isnt a hard topic.

Im not posting my OPINIONS about your statement, im posting FACTS about it, what dont you understand?

what do you think I am posting that is "my opinion"?

talking to you I NEVER posted my opinion as fact

 

[AGENT J]

I've said the same. There is no point in attempting to have a reasonable discussion when the posts are predictable. I never realized personal attacks could be so boring. You're dishonest...you're a liar...blah, blah, blah.

sometimes the truth is boring

 

[AGENT J]

Personal attacks always seem to come from not having the facts on your side.

Unless you're responding in kind.

I agree, weird i seem to be the one attacked a lot

 

[RamFel]

back? where did I go?

first off you are wrong about pro-choice, most I know dont want 100% control, most i know all are for banning late term abortions even though the reality is they hardly ever happen at all and when they do typically its to save the mothers life.

You are talking about the minority.

next basically you just said pro-choice is wrong because they want it all or almost all of it but you are not wrong eventhough you want it all or almost all of it.


they think they should always or almost always rank the mothers life more important = wrong, evil
you think you should always or almost always rank the ZEFs life more important = not wrong, not evil

please tell me how that makes sense?

Well, you were hiding behind your counter when we debated last.

I could be wrong about the pro-choice crowd, but I think they really do want it all.

How my statement about wanting it all makes sense is because killing (abortion) is wrong. And being wrong, it’s natural to want to stamp 100 percent of it out.

That’s how it makes sense.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Well, you were hiding behind your counter when we debated last.

2.)I could be wrong about the pro-choice crowd, but I think they really do want it all.

3.)How my statement about wanting it all makes sense is because killing (abortion) is wrong. And being wrong, it’s natural to want to stamp 100 percent of it out.

That’s how it makes sense.

1.) no hiding at all, still waiting for you to fulfill that request you never did :shrug:

2.) your welcom to that opinion, maybe you are right but I havent seen any evidence of that.

3.) well actually it still doesnt because these are the facts.

in your case you ignore the life of the women, women die from pregnancy, doesnt many how small that number is, they do die without prior signs that its going to happen. SO to ban abortion and give the ZEF 100% rights would be FORCING the women to risk her life against her will and some of them would be killed because of that so you in fact would NOT "stamp it out" 100%

so no it doesnt make sense.


now to be clear im not saying there IS a way for it to be fair or right in every case or stamp it out, there isnt but I can rationally act like always choosing one of the other is "right" because neither is right its just an unfortunate choice that has to be.

 

[nota bene]

Those who respond in kind are part of the problem. But I do find personal comments distracting, and they do invite responses in kind.

 

[JayDubya]

Just in case I need to make it a little clearer for you to understand. If my opinion can't be fact to you then your opinion can't be fact to me. It works both ways. And if if you are too closed minded to understand what I am trying to tell you then my post about you being not enjoyable to converse is true. You can't post your opinions as facts and the scream with others do the same thing.

Not true. He doesn't actually post his opinions. Certainly never facts or reality, but neither does he post actual opinions. That's what someone here in good faith would do.

Lesson learned, I hope?

 

[AGENT J]

Those who respond in kind are part of the problem. But I do find personal comments distracting, and they do invite responses in kind.

I hope you arent suggesting that you never participate and never start the kind of talk you are referring too.

 

[AGENT J]

Not true. He doesn't actually post his opinions. Certainly never facts or reality, but neither does he post actual opinions. That's what someone here in good faith would do.

Lesson learned, I hope?

look my number one fan:laughat:

I ALWAYS post facts
I ALWAYS acknowledge my opinions as such when I post them also

if you disagree please by all means post proof of this, I beg you back up your lies just once lol

 

[johnny_rebson]

This is a Christian country, and the Bible does say that the husband is to be the decison maker. The wife must be obedient.