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I dont think Trump likes Zelensky very much LOL

soap box said:
It's not too late. Putin could order a ceasefire today to get the process started. Can Trump make Putin order a ceasefire? Is there an option available to either Trump or Zelensky to stop the war?

Putin could stop the war today. Why won't he?
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Change every 'Putin" to "Zelensky" and your comment would be equally true.

Trump doesn't have the ability to stop the war. He can only make efforts to convince both sides to stop the war.
 
Mycroft said:
Change every 'Putin" to "Zelensky" and your comment would be equally true.

Trump doesn't have the ability to stop the war. He can only make efforts to convince both sides to stop the war.
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What would it look like if Zelensky was determined to stop.the war? What exactly do you believe he could do to stop the war?
 
soap box said:
What would it look like if Zelensky was determined to stop.the war? What exactly do you believe he could do to stop the war?
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You mean aside from surrender I presume
 
Mycroft said:
First of all, Zelensky really had no reason to slap the Bear upside the head like this. Nuclear-ready bombers are not an issue in this war.
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Putin really had no reason to slap a sovereign country upside the head like this.
Mycroft said:
Second, Putin HAS to respond and he will...and Zelensky won't like it. People will likely die. Totally unnecessary.
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The free world (of course, the US no longer included) is responding, and Putin won't like it.
Mycroft said:
Third, If Zelensky had any intention of making people think he's interested in working out a peace deal, well...that's gone. This war is NOT going to end and Ukraine will suffer greatly because of Zelensky's ill-advised action.
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Yes, because Putin has shown so much interest in working out a peace deal. 🤭 (y)
 
ataraxia said:
Putin really had no reason to slap a sovereign country upside the head like this.

The free world (of course, the US no longer included) is responding, and Putin won't like it.

Yes, because Putin has shown so much interest in working out a peace deal. 🤭 (y)
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I love the logic of people trying to say you shouldn't do anything to the country that is attacking you lest they get angry. Like what are they gonna do that they already arent tryin g to do invade them again? send missiles and drones to their cities again? slaughter innocent civilians again?
 
soap box said:
What would it look like if Zelensky was determined to stop.the war? What exactly do you believe he could do to stop the war?
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Well, he could start by talking to Putin.
 
Mycroft said:
Change every 'Putin" to "Zelensky" and your comment would be equally true.

Trump doesn't have the ability to stop the war. He can only make efforts to convince both sides to stop the war.
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Do you approve of Russia's invasion of Ukraine?
 
Quag said:
You mean aside from surrender I presume
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Yes, because capitulation and surrender would need to be thoroughly unconditional if Putin is going to agree. That brings up the following question -

Ukraine has the automous right to refuse to join the Russian Federation. The only pitiful excuse for blame for Zelensky is that he won't surrender his country?

Is what I was going to ask our fellow member.
 
soap box said:
And Putin could order a ceasefire, but he won't. Why not?
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shrug...

I don't have the answer...for why either of them won't.
 
Juin said:
Crimea and Donbass, as equally have the autonomous right to join the Russian Federation.
 
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That's the point. I never posted against self determination. I'm saying war doesn't resolve the question of self determination and Putin is exploiting that to continue his delusional vision of restoring the USSR.

Juin said:
His country? Crimea and Donbass are not his to keep or surrender
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Check the UN reaction in 2014, International Law and that. Putin could negotiate now but he won't. Putin could order a ceasefire today, why won't he?
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

I don't have the answer...for why either of them won't.
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How much do you think Zelensky should concede to make Putin happy enough to stop the war?



The man who could end this war today is the man who ordered the invasion in 2022.
 
soap box said:
How much do you think Zelensky should concede to make Putin happy enough to stop the war?
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Again, I don't have the answer. Maybe the two guys should talk about it, eh?

soap box said:
The man who could end this war today is the man who ordered the invasion in 2022.
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Either man could end this war today...if either man wanted to.
 
Mycroft said:
Again, I don't have the answer. Maybe the two guys should talk about it, eh?


Either man could end this war today...if either man wanted to.
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Great, so let's say they talk about it. What does Zelensky concede so that Putin is happy enough to stop?

Or maybe the more appropriate question is what could Putin concede?
 
soap box said:
Great, so let's say they talk about it. What does Zelensky concede so that Putin is happy enough to stop?

Or maybe the more appropriate question is what could Putin concede?
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JESUS!!!

How many times do I have to say, "I don't have the answer." before you stop asking me stupid ****ing questions?

Tell you what...YOU answer your own questions. Okay?

Bye.
 
Mycroft said:
JESUS!!!

How many times do I have to say, "I don't have the answer." before you stop asking me stupid ****ing questions?

Tell you what...YOU answer your own questions. Okay?

Bye.
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Here's my answers. The only way Zelensky could end the war is to agree with all of Putins demands.

Let's examine what he's demanding.

  • Ukraine must submit to Limited military personnel and equipment.

  • Ukraine cannot participate in any security guarantee or agreements

  • One option is that Urkanian forces must withdraw from the eastern oblasts. Ukraine must cede to Putin all Oblasts in the East, even though Russian forces have not entirely occupied or controlled any of them.

This reminds me of the Versailles Treaty, but Ukraine hasn't lost. Do you see how these demands are intended to remove Ukranian sovereignty.

Do you trust Putin to stop if he is rewarded for his invasion by gaining control of Ukraine through his current demands? Do you trust Putin so much that you would appease his demands?
 
Mycroft said:
Of course not. The ICC is run by Globalists.
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Oh please. You may as well substitute Martians for globalists. Has the same grade of obtuseness.
 
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