I don't have time for this...

[Fishking]

I agree with that, to a point. Case I recall that had me shaking my head involved a guy who lent his car to some friends who then went to rob a dope dealer. Someone died. The kid who owned the car got hit with the murder charge and convicted, even though he was not even there. He did know they were going to use his car to rob the doper though.

Again...I put the blame for each act only on the actor. So this kid should be charged with something like accessory to larceny or something and if he knew they were going with guns then maybe something, something, with a deadly weapon.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Gosh, should this young man get 65 years for being a thief and a jerk? It looks like his friend pointed a gun at a police officer who showed up as they were robbing a house and the officer killed him. Under Alabama's Accomplice Law, Smith is held responsible for his friends actions that caused his death. In other words, Smith not only didn't kill anyone, he didn't even point a weapon and now he's facing 65 years. This is a case where some jail time with heavy counseling might be better than just throwing an entire life away.

Thems the breaks, something to consider before engaging in a serious crime.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Wait a second. A cop killed one of his accomplices a he gets charged with the murder? That’s a crazy law that incentivizes cops to kill more suspects

You would think it would incentivize would be criminals to reconsider their actions, seriously? That's what you got from that?

 

[calamity]

Again...I put the blame for each act only on the actor. So this kid should be charged with something like accessory to larceny or something and if he knew they were going with guns then maybe something, something, with a deadly weapon.

Yeah. Murder charge when you were not even at the scene of the crime sounds insane. Just like a murder conviction when there was no murder.

 

[Fishking]

Yeah. Murder charge when you were not even at the scene of the crime sounds insane. Just like a murder conviction when there was no murder.

Well this can be our Breakfast at Tiffany's, since we basically don't agree on much else.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

First of all...where is the murder charge even coming from? It would be a justifiable homicide by the hands of the police officer, not murder. No one committed murder. I really don't get it, in the same way you don't. The reality is that he should've been charged with maybe armed robbery and, at the most, attempted murder of the officer (if they are going to charge both for the same crimes though I don't really like that).

This is something that should have been maybe 10 years or something, at most.

IIRC, commit a serious felony with a partner and he gets killed, YOU are responsible.

 

[calamity]

I read recently during one of these prostitution sweeps, via Craig's List/Backpage stings, that some guy giving the hooker a ride got charged with pandering. I thought that was a bit much.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

In Texas, it’s called the law of parties. Frankly it saves time since accomplices always like to point their fingers at each other. Looks like he should have taken the 25.

And he could have probably gotten out in ten with good behavior if he'd taken the 25.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

And he could have probably gotten out in ten with good behavior if he'd taken the 25.

That depends, Fl went to 85 % (not sure on his state) You do a minimum of 85% assuming you are a good boy, act up? Do day for day, 100%

 

[trouble13]

Gosh, should this young man get 65 years for being a thief and a jerk? It looks like his friend pointed a gun at a police officer who showed up as they were robbing a house and the officer killed him. Under Alabama's Accomplice Law, Smith is held responsible for his friends actions that caused his death. In other words, Smith not only didn't kill anyone, he didn't even point a weapon and now he's facing 65 years. This is a case where some jail time with heavy counseling might be better than just throwing an entire life away.

He can appeal this because unlike his co-defendants he did not plead guility. He ay have a better chance of getting out than they do.

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[trouble13]

I certainly understand what you are saying.


My understanding is the accomplice laws came about to prevent defendant 1 from pointing the figure at defendant 2 and vice versa. The "I didn't do it; he did," defense.

Thats a really piss poor argument to defend that law. The state has the burden of proof and rather than meet it it just makes a law to get around meeting that burden.

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[HowardBThiname]

Gosh, should this young man get 65 years for being a thief and a jerk? It looks like his friend pointed a gun at a police officer who showed up as they were robbing a house and the officer killed him. Under Alabama's Accomplice Law, Smith is held responsible for his friends actions that caused his death. In other words, Smith not only didn't kill anyone, he didn't even point a weapon and now he's facing 65 years. This is a case where some jail time with heavy counseling might be better than just throwing an entire life away.

He'll be up for parole in 20-25, and then, he'll probably get out and commit more crimes. His attitude indicates he doesn't have what it takes to function in society. This is what our prison system is for -- keeping criminals like him off the streets. Had he been even a little bit decent, he wouldn't be in the situation he's in today. I feel badly for his grandfather, but the kid appears to be a lost cause.

 

[holbritter]

Gosh, should this young man get 65 years for being a thief and a jerk? It looks like his friend pointed a gun at a police officer who showed up as they were robbing a house and the officer killed him. Under Alabama's Accomplice Law, Smith is held responsible for his friends actions that caused his death. In other words, Smith not only didn't kill anyone, he didn't even point a weapon and now he's facing 65 years. This is a case where some jail time with heavy counseling might be better than just throwing an entire life away.

Poor choices, poor results. With his attitude, I have no sympathy.

 

[holbritter]

I'm actually not OK with that. It's way too loose of a way to look at situations. You can have people doing very minor crimes, with one individual being an actual good person and not want to harm people (yes, good people do crimes, I've done some myself in my younger years), and the situation goes a little sideways and their buddy freaks out and does something stupid and someone dies.

Nah...I'd have to see proof that the person knew that this was an option on the table from the get-go for me. I think only the person doing the specific act should be charged.

Yes, but that is not even near what happened.

 

[JC Callender]

He'll be up for parole in 20-25, and then, he'll probably get out and commit more crimes. His attitude indicates he doesn't have what it takes to function in society. This is what our prison system is for -- keeping criminals like him off the streets. Had he been even a little bit decent, he wouldn't be in the situation he's in today. I feel badly for his grandfather, but the kid appears to be a lost cause.

Have you ever laughed at something completely ****ed up? Maybe he was laughing at the disbelief of getting 25 years for burglary. Maybe he thought "how could this get any worse?". But who knows, maybe he is just a really bad guy...who's to say he's going to be nearly that bad 25 years later, when most people mellow. I mean, 40 years for laughing is an outrage, not even close to fair imo.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Have you ever laughed at something completely ****ed up? Maybe he was laughing at the disbelief of getting 25 years for burglary. Maybe he thought "how could this get any worse?". But who knows, maybe he is just a really bad guy...who's to say he's going to be nearly that bad 25 years later, when most people mellow. I mean, 40 years for laughing is an outrage, not even close to fair imo.

I don't think he got 40 years tacked on for laughing, but rather for his entire flip attitude, which indicated he showed no remorse for his actions. A life ended. He broke into someone's home -- he might not have been the one who pulled a gun on the officer but he knew who he was going with and he knew that loaded guns equal potential death. His comment, "I don't have time for this," tells us a lot about who he is. He'll probably appeal and get his sentence reduced, but perhaps the amount of time he got will make him think. Even if his sentence isn't reduced, he'll be up for parole in 20 years so it's not like he'll serve the entire 65 -- unless he's as big of an ass in prison and breaks the rules there as well. His future is up to him now. He can either straighten up and get out in 20, have his sentence reduced and get out earlier, or spend his entire natural life in prison. What we do know is that he currently isn't anyone we need on the streets.

 

[Thoreau72]

You don't have time for this, but you start a thread about it? :roll:

Why is it so many people simply cannot say what they mean and mean what they say?

 

[AustralianuS]

Well...he didn't commit murder so...

Did YOU read the article...it clearly states he was charged under Alabama's
accomplice law, “which holds co-defendants can be guilty of murder if a death occurs when they are committing a crime,” YOU LOSE AGAIN.

 

[blarg]

Ala. teen turns down 25-year plea deal, gets sentenced to 65 years instead - and laughs | Fox News

Ala. teen turns down 25-year plea deal, gets sentenced to 65 years instead - and laughs

Smith smiled and laughed while being sentenced at the Elmore County courthouse. He had turned down a plea deal that would have recommended he spend 25 years in prison on the charges.

Judge Reynolds said Smith seemed to show no remorse for his crimes during the trial and did not apologize. He also overhead the teen say, “I don’t have time for this.”



LMAO. What a dumbass!

he seems to be guilty of some crimes but to be fair he did not murder the man the police shot


if that man pointed a gun at police that killing was not murder

if he turned down a plea deal to a crime hes not guilty of i can respect that if not other dumb and illegal **** he has done

 

[blarg]

In Texas, it’s called the law of parties. Frankly it saves time since accomplices always like to point their fingers at each other. Looks like he should have taken the 25.

hopefully that law can be struck down by the curt system some day seems dangerous to start charging people for crimes they did not do just to save time

 

[calamity]

You don't have time for this, but you start a thread about it? :roll:

Why is it so many people simply cannot say what they mean and mean what they say?

Funny post. Do you not know the title is part of the story?

 

[blarg]

Did YOU read the article...it clearly states he was charged under Alabama's
accomplice law, “which holds co-defendants can be guilty of murder if a death occurs when they are committing a crime,” YOU LOSE AGAIN.

i read it

the police did not commit murder

and charging people for other peoples actions seems like some unjust dangerous bull****
the kid should get a fitting punishment for his actual crimes and we should be asking are selves what the **** is wrong with Alabama?

 

[calamity]

Thats a really piss poor argument to defend that law. The state has the burden of proof and rather than meet it it just makes a law to get around meeting that burden.

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At times perhaps. But usually charging everyone is pretty solid, like when they kill a homeowner. Lock them all up; throw away the key.

 

[jimbo]

Gosh, should this young man get 65 years for being a thief and a jerk? It looks like his friend pointed a gun at a police officer who showed up as they were robbing a house and the officer killed him. Under Alabama's Accomplice Law, Smith is held responsible for his friends actions that caused his death. In other words, Smith not only didn't kill anyone, he didn't even point a weapon and now he's facing 65 years. This is a case where some jail time with heavy counseling might be better than just throwing an entire life away.

So he's getting some jail time. He can worry about counseling in 65 years.

 

[AustralianuS]

You don't have time for this, but you start a thread about it? :roll:

Why is it so many people simply cannot say what they mean and mean what they say?

the IDIOT thuglette stated "I don't have time for this" and was overheard by the JUDGE. Damn, son...you are an ignorant person.