Inside and outside the EU we are constantly expecting Germany to always take the biggest burden and even though they do, it is never enough. Germany is no longer the economic wonder it was before 1989. We have squeezed out the prosperity and if we continue we might break them, and what then? Here are some examples:
- In 1991 taxes were raised and the so-called solidarity allowance ("Soli") was introduced- in practice increased income and corporation tax to get the east Germany in line with the western.
- Germany is the country that contributes most of the money to the EU yet the countries that get's the most like Poland and Hungary (per capita Hungary get's the most, 568 euro plus per person, Poland get's the most money, about 18 billions euro every year) hasn't done the investments needed and continue to be subject to corruption. And nothing ever change, it has been this way since 2004.
- During the war in Syria, Germany was one out of two EU countries that had to take the bulk of the refugees, since others refused
- Germany has been the biggest financial contributer to the Ukraine since 2014, yet everyone seems to think that Germany needs to give even more, and more, and more...
- Germany has taken the bulk of the cost for the sanctions in west, yet we somehow expect them to take even more costs, which entails the consequence that they should even accept a society without electricity before we think they given enough.
- Countries , like Greece and Italy that has misconducted their economy rely on support from Germany in order to get on their feets.
And so on, and so on, and so on.
I agree with you completely... and I'm also fearful that as these difficulties go on and are exasperated by the strains on the German economy brought on by the Russian invasion of Ukraine, that the end result will play into the hands of extremist parties like the far-right AfD.
What we need to be doing in the West right now - especially oil & natural gas exporting countries like the US, Canada, and Norway - is to try to put together some kind of Marshall Plan for energy to keep countries like Germany on-side in standing up to the Russians. It's one thing to talk about standing up to Putin.... but unless the burden of doing so is shared equally, that is all it is... just talk.
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Very well said.
Inside and outside the EU we are constantly expecting Germany to always take the biggest burden and even though they do, it is never enough. Germany is no longer the economic wonder it was before 1989. We have squeezed out the prosperity and if we continue we might break them, and what then? Here are some examples:
- In 1991 taxes were raised and the so-called solidarity allowance ("Soli") was introduced- in practice increased income and corporation tax to get the east Germany in line with the western.
- Germany is the country that contributes most of the money to the EU yet the countries that get's the most like Poland and Hungary (per capita Hungary get's the most, 568 euro plus per person, Poland get's the most money, about 18 billions euro every year) hasn't done the investments needed and continue to be subject to corruption. And nothing ever change, it has been this way since 2004.
- During the war in Syria, Germany was one out of two EU countries that had to take the bulk of the refugees, since others refused
- Germany has been the biggest financial contributer to the Ukraine since 2014, yet everyone seems to think that Germany needs to give even more, and more, and more...
- Germany has taken the bulk of the cost for the sanctions in west, yet we somehow expect them to take even more costs, which entails the consequence that they should even accept a society without electricity before we think they given enough.
- Countries , like Greece and Italy that has misconducted their economy rely on support from Germany in order to get on their feets.
And so on, and so on, and so on.
A country can only take so much of being expected to be the piggy bank before they say enough is enough.Inside and outside the EU we are constantly expecting Germany to always take the biggest burden and even though they do, it is never enough. Germany is no longer the economic wonder it was before 1989. We have squeezed out the prosperity and if we continue we might break them, and what then? Here are some examples:
- In 1991 taxes were raised and the so-called solidarity allowance ("Soli") was introduced- in practice increased income and corporation tax to get the east Germany in line with the western.
- Germany is the country that contributes most of the money to the EU yet the countries that get's the most like Poland and Hungary (per capita Hungary get's the most, 568 euro plus per person, Poland get's the most money, about 18 billions euro every year) hasn't done the investments needed and continue to be subject to corruption. And nothing ever change, it has been this way since 2004.
- During the war in Syria, Germany was one out of two EU countries that had to take the bulk of the refugees, since others refused
- Germany has been the biggest financial contributer to the Ukraine since 2014, yet everyone seems to think that Germany needs to give even more, and more, and more...
- Germany has taken the bulk of the cost for the sanctions in west, yet we somehow expect them to take even more costs, which entails the consequence that they should even accept a society without electricity before we think they given enough.
- Countries , like Greece and Italy that has misconducted their economy rely on support from Germany in order to get on their feets.
And so on, and so on, and so on.
A country can only take so much of being expected to be the piggy bank before they say enough is enough.
Trump did during his term. Biden's pukes reversed him. Who knows? Maybe Germany will finally say enough is enough, too.
And the world is STILL paying for that now...80 years later.All I can say is that it's good thing we didn't adopt that point of view 'round about 1947.
And the world is STILL paying for that now...80 years later.
When Germany became an economic powerhouse it was time to end access to the US piggy bank.Not nearly as much as it would have paid if we had waited until it was too late to act.
You can go ahead and be as isolationist and penny-wise, pound foolish as you want.... but eventually there is always a price to be paid for such short-sightedness.
When Germany became an economic powerhouse it was time to end access to the US piggy bank.
Maybe it's now time to end access to the German piggy bank.
I am beginning to have this feeling this Russo/Ukrainian issue my turn out to be a defininng moment in world history. The ramifications are far and wide. In addition to the points you list, many other issues are gonna be revisited. It is almost as if we are seeing the rewriting of the world order
This is a Putin Fanboi wet dream since Putin returned to the presidency in 2012 with his new fascist agenda that the Russophiles loved immediately. PutinTrump&Rowers have been delusional for much longer than most had recognized, realized, understood; comprehended.It is a shift in the world order and Germany, along with the rest of Europe will suffer greatly for it.
This war, the creation and response to it have pushed China and Russia, and possibly India into a mutual assistance bloc that will see the rise of Eurasia which is independent of western hegemony.
Europe, energy dependent and in financial trouble, will be hit hard by the sanctions it has passed to use against Russia. Russia will thus sell its energy resources to China and India
It is a shift in the world order and Germany, along with the rest of Europe will suffer greatly for it.
This war, the creation and response to it have pushed China and Russia, and possibly India into a mutual assistance bloc that will see the rise of Eurasia which is independent of western hegemony.
Europe, energy dependent and in financial trouble, will be hit hard by the sanctions it has passed to use against Russia. Russia will thus sell its energy resources to China and India
Chancellor Scholz is pretty comfortable with the new pro NATO reorientation he is giving to Germany.Decisions have been taken in Europe with such rapidity that it will take months to assess the effects. What I find disturbing is that sanctions appear to have moved away from the Scholz recommended sanctions policy: maximise damage on Russia, while minimising damage on Europe- to a emotional knee jerk seppuku type sanctions. All caution has been thrown to the winds in the sanctions frenzy. No heed is given to cost. Germany is even being pressed to cut off gas and oil, even though replacement may not be available in the short term, irrespective of price.
Chancellor Scholz is pretty comfortable with the new pro NATO reorientation he is giving to Germany.
It is almost as if we are seeing the rewriting of the world order
A country can only take so much of being expected to be the piggy bank before they say enough is enough.
Trump did during his term. Biden's pukes reversed him. Who knows? Maybe Germany will finally say enough is enough, too.
Tell me more of what I mean thx.You mean pro Ukraine orientation
Germany would have done very well to have refused the woke liberalism which I suppose due to past guilt's, compelled Germany to dilute their own culture by allowing so many immigrants which have no shared values into their nation. I believe if most nations were protective of their culture and traditions, the way Japan is, that would be better for them.
As for Germany they've been read the Riot Act by NATO. This is because the German model of Russia relations is a complete failure; a miserable disaster. The new coalition government in Berlin has reversed the Russo-German Axis of the past several decades. So It's overwith about Russia and Germany for the long foreseeable future. Which makes this badly conceived Russo-German thread and topic out of gas already.
Where are the usual suspects btw?
The Russo-German Axis Fanbois.
They're pretty much routed by now or I should think.
So the second team has arrived on the playing field.n overview
Not only voting, but I predict an upsurge in blue eyed children returning to Germany in the coming decades.Within a few years Ukrainians will constitute a powerful voting block in Germany.
Well the Germans ran to Qatar to beg for gas, so maybe the Middle East is the new savior?I agree with you completely... and I'm also fearful that as these difficulties go on and are exasperated by the strains on the German economy brought on by the Russian invasion of Ukraine, that the end result will play into the hands of extremist parties like the far-right AfD.
What we need to be doing in the West right now - especially oil & natural gas exporting countries like the US, Canada, and Norway - is to try to put together some kind of Marshall Plan for energy to keep countries like Germany on-side in standing up to the Russians. It's one thing to talk about standing up to Putin.... but unless the burden of doing so is shared equally, that is all it is... just talk.
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