Hunters fear 'end of firearm sales' until Oregon creates gun permit system

[Lursa]

Have you read Bruen? Are you familiar with Murdock v Pennsylvania or Watchtower v Village of Stratton. Requiring a license to exercise a protected right is blatantly unconstitutional.

And yet that stands in HI and I think MA. Is that because they havent been challenged in a federal court?

 

[Rucker61]

But I thought Constitutional rights were better left to the states?

I don't believe that was the message of Dobbs.

Heller, McDonald and Bruen are clear, and given that SCOTUS has already sent a magazine capacity ban back down in California it's clear how such limits are regarded.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Have you read Bruen?

It would appear not.

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Are you familiar with Murdock v Pennsylvania or Watchtower v Village of Stratton. Requiring a license to exercise a protected right is blatantly unconstitutional.

 

[natman]

But I thought Constitutional rights were better left to the states?

No. Abortion is not a enumerated constitutional right nor is there Federal law to protect it. That's why the matter was left to the states.

Guns are a different matter. There IS explicit constitutional protection in the form of the Second Amendment and it has been incorporated against the states in McDonald.

 

[uptower]

Have you read Bruen? Are you familiar with Murdock v Pennsylvania or Watchtower v Village of Stratton. Requiring a license to exercise a protected right is blatantly unconstitutional.

See post #23 and wait for the court dates.

 

[uptower]

The 10 round one got overturned in CA didnt it? So I dont see why other states do it. WA wants to do it too.

Win some lose some.

 

[mrjurrs]

No. Abortion is not a enumerated constitutional right nor is there Federal law to protect it. That's why the matter was left to the states.

Guns are a different matter. There IS explicit constitutional protection in the form of the Second Amendment and it has been incorporated against the states in McDonald.

No, not all Constitutional rights are enumerated in the Constitution.

Incorporated 'to' the states.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Americans already own half of all the civilian guns on the planet. How many more do they need?

 

[Rucker61]

No, not all Constitutional rights are enumerated in the Constitution.

That's true.

Incorporated 'to' the states.

Not sure what you mean here, but in McDonald, SCOTUS affirmed that the Second Amendment applied to the states in the same way that it applied to the federal government. See '14th Amendment'.

 

[Rucker61]

Americans already own half of all the civilian guns on the planet. How many more do they need?

As many as lawful citizens want.

 

[Lursa]

Win some lose some.

It's been overturned by a federal court.

So...what would the basis be for it to be upheld in other states?

 

[uptower]

It's been overturned by a federal court.

So...what would the basis be for it to be upheld in other states?

Plenty of other legislation that limits type, capacity, carry etcetera are still on the books in many states. You can try to litigate this case or that all you want on these forums but I'm looking at the larger picture here rather than crawling down one rabbit hole after another.

I hold that the continued coexistence of such laws with the Second Amendment in the US shows it can be - and is being - done.

 

[Bum]

Are you asserting that all guns sold are ”Weapons of War”?

Keep in mind that the 2A is not a right to shoot (or shoot at) another person.

Actually....anything I can make go "bang" against an intruder is a weapon of war....and I couldn't be happier.
Wage war against my home, property, family, safety, or civil rights, and its fair that I should have weapons of war to end the issue.
The Second Amendment was always intended to place weapons of war in the hands of the citizens.

Can anyone here show where hunting, recreational shooting, or target practice is anywhere in the text of the Second Amendment?

We'll wait.

 

[Rucker61]

Plenty of other legislation that limits type, capacity, carry etcetera are still on the books in many states. You can try to litigate this case or that all you want on these forums but I'm looking at the larger picture here rather than crawling down one rabbit hole after another.

I hold that the continued coexistence of such laws with the Second Amendment in the US shows it can be - and is being - done.

The fact that Bruen, just affirmed in June of this year, is already taking those laws off the books should give you a different idea of the trend.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Plenty of other legislation that limits type, capacity, carry etcetera are still on the books in many states. You can try to litigate this case or that all you want on these forums but I'm looking at the larger picture here rather than crawling down one rabbit hole after another.

I hold that the continued coexistence of such laws with the Second Amendment in the US shows it can be - and is being - done.

That larger picture should address basic reality. Folks have a right to travel to and through other states and have every right to expect that their currently legally owned guns (and magazines) remain that way (legal in all states) while traveling.

 

[uptower]

That larger picture should address basic reality. Folks have a right to travel to and through other states and have every right to expect that their currently legally owned guns (and magazines) remain that way (legal in all states) while traveling.

Interesting point, maybe blanket caps are the answer? Just winding you up.

I realize as long as different states have different laws there'll be issues navigating those across state lines. Just some of the many creases that will hopefully one day be ironed out by sensible legislation (and yes, fair enforcement) at the federal level.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Interesting point, maybe blanket caps are the answer? just winding you up. i realize as long as different states have different laws there'll be issues navigating those across state lines.

We already have them, which limits what FFL dealers can legally sell. Trying to go beyond that, at the state and local government level, is where problems (which you called issues) arise. If marriage (rights?) and even drivers licenses (mere privileges) should be the same (or legally accepted/recognized) in all states then why not guns?

 

[zsu2357]

Another invasive Liberal gun control idea, this one a measure passed by Oregon voters a couple weeks ago. Just another nugget for SCOTUS to chew up and spit out

Hunters fear 'end of firearm sales' until Oregon creates gun permit system

One of the nation's strictest gun control measures takes effect next month in Oregon. Hunters and other gun groups fear it will force all firearm sales to pause.

www.foxnews.com

It was passed by Portland voters by and large and not by a lot but just enough.

 

[uptower]

We already have them, which limits what FFL dealers can legally sell. Trying to go beyond that, at the state and local government level, is where problems (which you called issues) arise. If marriage (rights?) and even drivers licenses (mere privileges) should be the same (or legally accepted/recognized) in all states then why not guns?

Well states' rights, right? Portland voters just decided. Win some lose some.

 

[zsu2357]

Another OP defending WoWs — Weapons of War —
NOT children …

What are these WOWs or weapons of war anyway? This new law is talking about all firearms not just your mythical ones you or anyone can just walk in and buy.

 

[zsu2357]

That remains to be seen, but I agree.

What the SOBs are doing and have been for a while is an end run around the Oregon Constitution. At least my sheriff is thumbing his nose.

 

[zsu2357]

I wonder what that means when I camp there or drive thru with my 17+1 round handgun in my camper?

I cant 'carry' it in OR but I can have it in a vehicle, camper, RV, etc.

I should probably keep an eye on this...I'm hoping it's challenged...before doing so!

They're definitely assholes so I would find out.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Well states' rights, right? Portland voters just decided. Win some lose some.

Hmm… does that ‘states rights’ apply to marriage or other Constitutional rights as well? What if Portland voters decided that non-residents of Oregon don’t get public defenders, must pay double for any fines or that ’red’ states’ drivers licenses and/or vehicle registrations are no longer acceptable inside Oregon.

 

[Rucker61]

What the SOBs are doing and have been for a while is an end run around the Oregon Constitution. At least my sheriff is thumbing his nose.

We had over 50 Colorado Sheriffs tell Denver/Boulder that their unconstitutional laws wouldn't be enforced about ten years ago.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Another invasive Liberal gun control idea, this one a measure passed by Oregon voters a couple weeks ago. Just another nugget for SCOTUS to chew up and spit out

Hunters fear 'end of firearm sales' until Oregon creates gun permit system

One of the nation's strictest gun control measures takes effect next month in Oregon. Hunters and other gun groups fear it will force all firearm sales to pause.

www.foxnews.com

You know what I always say:

BAN. THEM. ALL.
(crime will fall)

yes. I always say that.