• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every persons position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Howard Dean, Help or Hurt?

Squawker

Professor
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
1,314
Reaction score
4
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
This guy keeps stepping in it. Do the Democrats think he is going to help the party or is he going to be an embarrassment, and fail to lead the party to victory in 2008?
May 20, 5:26 PM (ET)

By RON FOURNIER
WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean, who famously refused to prejudge Osama bin Laden's guilt, is standing by his judgment that House Majority Leader Tom DeLay may deserve jail time for allegations of corruption.
"Tom DeLay is corrupt. No question about it," Dean said Friday. "This is a guy who shouldn't be in Congress and maybe ought to be serving in jail."
-snip-
He told The Associated Press on Friday, "Maybe I'm prophetic."
Asked whether he was rushing to judgment, the former Vermont governor said with a laugh, "I got in trouble because I wouldn't convict Osama bin Laden. Maybe I've learned something."
Source
 

V.I. Lenin

Active member
Joined
Apr 19, 2005
Messages
381
Reaction score
0
Location
NY
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
Howard Dean...yes.....I can sort of see him leading the Democrats to victory. But I know all the while FOX News will play that old "YEAAAAHH" clip. He seems to be an intelligent hard-hitting man, but he's not hard hitting enough on Osama Bin Laden it seems. Even though according to all things American everyone is innocent until proven guilty, it seems most people in this time want us to blast all suspected terrorists. *sigh*, thats mainstream America for you. But I digress...I can see him leading the democrats and perhaps winning, but by what margin..it's too early to call.
 

neccy60

New member
Joined
May 21, 2005
Messages
23
Reaction score
0
Location
Chicago, Illinois.
Haha, I love that video of him screaming like a cowboy. :rofl

Anyway, given Howard Dean's far-leaning to the left, I think that no, he is not a help, but rather, a hurt. Think about it: Given the current shambles of the Democratic Party, do they reall need another far-leaning liberal? No, I think what the Deocrats need is a moderate liberal. But, as Lenin said (that sounds uncomfortable o_0), it's too early to call.
 

Squawker

Professor
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
1,314
Reaction score
4
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Howard Dean...yes.....I can sort of see him leading the Democrats to victory. But I know everytime all the while FOX News will play that old "YEAAAAHH" clip. He seems to be an intelligent hard-hitting man, but he's not hard hitting enough on Osama Bin Laden it seems. Even though according to all things American everyone is innocent until proven guilty, it seems most people in this time want us to blast all suspected terrorists. *sigh*, thats mainstream America for you. But I digress...I can see him leading the democrats and perhaps winning, but by what margin..it's too early to call.
Did you see his interview on Meet the Press Sunday? I don’t think he did his party a service, in fact they should have been embarrassed by the things he said. I also heard the donations coming in are down by half. This is going to be an interesting one to watch.
 

V.I. Lenin

Active member
Joined
Apr 19, 2005
Messages
381
Reaction score
0
Location
NY
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
neccy60 said:
But, as Lenin said (that sounds uncomfortable o_0),
:rofl


Yes I saw the interview...he's quite an assertive, almost angry man. But..If i were a democrat right now I would be too.
 

stump

Member
Joined
May 23, 2005
Messages
119
Reaction score
0
So far it sure looks like he's going to hurt the party. It's still early in his term but 1st quarter DNC donations are almost half of what the RNC is bringing in. Dean was supposed to increase individual giving to the DNC but in the first three months of this year they've trailed $13 million to $31 million. It would be nice to say money isn't important in elections but that just wouldn't true.

The 2006 elections are going to be hotly contested and they're going to need money. If the Republicans win AGAIN it's going to be really bad for the Democrats.

His Tom DeLay should be treated more harshly than Osama comment certainly can't be good for the Democrats.
 

flip2

Active member
Joined
May 24, 2005
Messages
338
Reaction score
0
Location
Texan by Choice
Squawker said:
This guy keeps stepping in it. Do the Democrats think he is going to help the party or is he going to be an embarrassment, and fail to lead the party to victory in 2008?

Source
Dean was later quoted--after that event in which he made those remarks--that the politics of hate and slander should end.

Hmmm, hypocrite if you ask me.

I think Howard Dean, to be honest, will do a good job for the Dems. He stated on "Meet the Press" that he's going to adopt the GOP's strategy of success by building at the grassroots and keeping in touch with the base. It's working for us, so, I see no reason that it will not work for the Democratic party.

I don't think he's helping the tone of American politics, however. He's hurting it so much more by contributing to the rhetoric of hate, and then turning right around and saying we should stop attacking each other. Pure hypocresy at its best.

His fundraising is starting off slowly, but it was only the 1st quarter.

I agree that his benchmark will be the strength of a Democratic win in 2006. Perhaps not even a majority win for the Dems, but a close enough strike to bruise the ego of the Congressional GOP. If Dean wants to prove us all wrong, he'd be wise to focus a lot of his attention on the Senate races and start grooming candidates, especially in PA, TN, & VA.

If he does well in '06, and again not necessarily taking back control of Congress or majority of governors but close enough to leave us Republicans on shaky ground, he is bound to do very well in 2008.
 
Last edited:

ShamMol

Only Way Round is Through
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 24, 2005
Messages
1,988
Reaction score
10
Location
Pasadena, California
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Slightly Liberal
Squawker said:
Did you see his interview on Meet the Press Sunday? I don’t think he did his party a service, in fact they should have been embarrassed by the things he said. I also heard the donations coming in are down by half. This is going to be an interesting one to watch.
I wasn't embarrassed in the slightest. I think he was the right choice and once people realize that he is leading them in the right direction, the donations will come in (speciall around the election when they will want to see a Dem win).
 
Top Bottom