How would you stop Isis

[plutonium]

The president does not want to get American soldiers killed. to shut down isis..but so fare have killed over 5000 in drone strikes with no American lives loss to the enemy. hmmmm not bad..but for some this is not good enough..also Obama is blamed for not cleaning up bush mess,, the Iraq war... now please tell me how would you handle this problem..

 

[faithful_servant]

Target ISIS leadership at all levels. If you give someone orders, you have a target on your back. Kill them and kill them publicly with very public statements about why they were targetted and killed. Then go after the financiers. Cut off their funding using every legal means possible and along the way do everything we can to make continuing the fight as expensive as possible. Aggressively recruit from among the people that they have attacked and get their leaders on our side, arm and train them and then turn them loose on ISIS. Take the anti-ISIS message to the streets and show them as being the enemy of devout Muslims, instead of the heroes. Get the images of the atrocities they've committed spread as far and wide as possible. Attack any large formation of fighters using high altitude anti-personnel weaponry that means that from out of nowhere, their world just blows up. Make lots of videos of this happening and get them out there, both to intimidate the opposition and inspire the partisans.

 

[plutonium]

dang.....sounds exactly like what Obama is doing from what I see on tv an the internet...hmmmm at least 95% of what you just said.. Obama is not a fool .he has to get intel on who the leaders are and I bet he is paying for it. also I bet he has got people joining isis and reporting back who the leaders are and where the stockpiles of weapons are..thats what I would do but it takes time...we have the technology to do this with the least amount of loss of American lives

 

[Peter Grimm]

Knowing Obama, he will capitulate to them. He'll negotiate, and give in to most of their demands.

 

[reinoe]

I would send all the arm-chair military experts who managed to get multiple deferments of Vietnam and give them a chance to fight now. Including Mittens Romney :"I wish I could have fought in Vietnam but I got 5 deferments and engaged in a bike riding tour of France instead".

 

[Gardener]

I would just bomb them up to the stone age, myself.

 

[pbrauer]

To be honest I think we should get the hell out of there. There is no way you can defeat an idealoloy like this; you can kill one and there are 2 or 3 taking its place. They do evil things to goad us in to putting our troops on the ground so they can kill them. We need to stop playing their game.

 

[joG]

The president does not want to get American soldiers killed. to shut down isis..but so fare have killed over 5000 in drone strikes with no American lives loss to the enemy. hmmmm not bad..but for some this is not good enough..also Obama is blamed for not cleaning up bush mess,, the Iraq war... now please tell me how would you handle this problem..

5.000 is certainly not enough to win.

What we should do is an other matter. But it is not really our thing. We cannot sort out the problems of the region and most certainly not alone. This is especially true with these proxy wars.
We made the decision not to enter the fray and it would be very costly now.

 

[celticwar17]

Any ordinary citizen could not give an honest answer.... they don't know the details. With anything really, with any war. Most of whats worth knowing is hidden. The current administration and the ones before it purposely says what they say for it's own image, their goal is ONLY to keep the american public calm and on the current administrations side as much as possible(those two can contradict).

Most if not all of us on this website has no idea the threats/emergencies there was or is now. Or what is being discussed in the closed door rooms of the pentagon.

If it were me, with the amount of knowledge I have, I would try to get as much support as I can from Europe leadership and surrounding Middle Eastern companies... Issue propaganda campaigns of our own in the middle eastern countries, with tact, listening to experts in the field what would be the most effective way of slowly changing the public opinion.

I would decide for myself, then, knowing all the information, if sending elite soldiers to iraq to comb out ISIS in the night(not all in one night but over the coarse of several, maybe a month). Special forces with stealth copters, infrared gear, the most elite gear money can buy with body armor/weaponry/personal explosives/communication devices, coupled with air support. No tanks at night.

During the Day time you would is use of scare tactics of load noise machines/tear gas slowly pushing back their territory, with air bombings only... no ground fighting during he day.

This wold all come with intelligence and constant surveillance on where the enemy actually is... and all will be adjusted to fit that.

After the invasion...if there was one.... I would declare Iraq as a commonwealth of the US...... with freedom of religion/woman's rights/gay rights/civil liberties.... and open the markets to US companies to come in and take ownership of the oil...create the new government under our own Constitution and much like Puerto Rico and others they would have non-voting representatives in Washington.
To me, that's the best option, if it comes to that...I don't think they'll do that themselves, there is real human and civil rights violations going down in the Middle east... and Iraq can be the first one to start change...

After 20-30 years of being a commonwealth, they have an option of becoming independant, with approval of congress from which will be delayed another 4 years

 

[soot]

First, Obama isn't blamed for not cleaning up "Bush's" Iraq war.

The nature of war is that it either ends with an unconditional victory or when a negotiated settlement has been reached.

The nature of American politics is that a president can serve a maximum of two four-year terms no matter whats going on in the world or what he has left on his plate at the end of his term(s).

The Iraq war was ill advised, a strategic loss, and a Bush failure.

But it hadn't ended by the time Obama took office so he took ownership of it on the day he was inaugurated.

Let's be realistic here.

When Obama took office the the situation had been improving in Iraq for some time, violence was on the wane, there was no real issue with ISIS, elections were being held more-or-less peacefully, there was a functioning coalition government, Iraq was in the process of restoring diplomatic relations with her neighbors.

The fact that things in Iraq, and in that region, have gone south since Obama took office despite the fact that they had been improving for the two years preceding his inauguration can hardly be blamed on George W. Bush.

As far as how I would handle ISIS?

Either go in like Genghis Khan or stay out.

Those people don't want democracy, equality, the rule of law, freedom of conscience, or any of the other things that we could, ostensibly, build.

So either kill them all or leave them to killing themselves.

Nation building presupposes a desire by a group of people to be built in to a nation.

If the people are lying sectarian savages living in mud huts with a Dark ages mentality you can't possibly build anything worthwhile.

 

[azgreg]

I would send all the arm-chair military experts who managed to get multiple deferments of Vietnam and give them a chance to fight now. Including Mittens Romney :"I wish I could have fought in Vietnam but I got 5 deferments and engaged in a bike riding tour of France instead".

Don't forget to send Biden, Clinton, and Bradley with him.

Draft Deferment: Vietnam

 

[Paschendale]

ISIS and others like them will keep springing up until the turmoil that creates them is gone. That's not something that we, as foreigners to that area, can accomplish by killing.

 

[reinoe]

Don't forget to send Biden, Clinton, and Bradley with him.

Draft Deferment: Vietnam

Sure absolutely. ANYONE who advocates sending people to war after they received multiple deferments should be forced to fight ISIS. I don't care much for chickenhawks.

 

[OrphanSlug]

We have not had this conversation yet... :roll:

The OP missed an option, convince our so called "allies" to clean up their own back yard. When you calculate by the estimates how strong ISIS is then compare that to their neighboring nations (some of which claim to be on our side) ISIS is grossly outnumbered. But it would mean taking the training wheels off the expected US foreign policy in that part of the world, and get these nations to fight their own battles.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

The president does not want to get American soldiers killed. to shut down isis..but so fare have killed over 5000 in drone strikes with no American lives loss to the enemy. hmmmm not bad..but for some this is not good enough..also Obama is blamed for not cleaning up bush mess,, the Iraq war... now please tell me how would you handle this problem..

Seems like UK policy is to start preparing for SAS missions and more drone strikes. Cameron has asked the UK defence chiefs to start planning for the next 10 years: ideally, I would like more of our allies to come in with us but I fully support the military guys who would be asked on our behalf to go into such hostile territory.

Certainly, we need to be prepared here for any losses and disturbing pictures if any get captured.

 

[azgreg]

Sure absolutely. ANYONE who advocates sending people to war after they received multiple deferments should be forced to fight ISIS. I don't care much for chickenhawks.

Fair enough.

 

[Moot]

We have not had this conversation yet... :roll:

The OP missed an option, convince our so called "allies" to clean up their own back yard. When you calculate by the estimates how strong ISIS is then compare that to their neighboring nations (some of which claim to be on our side) ISIS is grossly outnumbered. But it would mean taking the training wheels off the expected US foreign policy in that part of the world, and get these nations to fight their own battles.

Most of the allies didn't want to attack Iraq, but the US insisted...so it seems only fair the US should clean up the mess they caused. Like Colin Powell famously said, "you break it, you own it."

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

The president does not want to get American soldiers killed. to shut down isis..but so fare have killed over 5000 in drone strikes with no American lives loss to the enemy. hmmmm not bad..but for some this is not good enough..also Obama is blamed for not cleaning up bush mess,, the Iraq war... now please tell me how would you handle this problem..

Obama isn't blamed for not cleaning up the "Bush mess" as you put it. Iraq was a functioning state when Obama took over. Look deeper into the Obama presidency and what the ME was like when Obama took office. Look at it now. Think Arab Spring and Hillary Clinton.

 

[plutonium]

Knowing Obama, he will capitulate to them. He'll negotiate, and give in to most of their demands.

yes I guess like he did bin laden ooops

 

[radcen]

Nuclear carpet bombing.

 

[anatta]

we can't go into Iraqi cities..this is the best of bad options,
We should have targeted their convoys in the beginning of last year when they were in open desert.
Instead Obama dismissed them as "JV"

 

[youngturk]

Reform or ban Islam.That simple.

 

[molten_dragon]

Ignore them and don't try to wipe them out. It's never going to happen. If you take out the ISIS leadership, another group pretty much identical to it will pop up in a few years. Just like ISIS did when we wiped out most of the Al Qaeda leadership. Going after these groups is just a waste of lives and money.

 

[DA60]

I would give them a great big hug.

And then I would pat them on the head and tell them to go and play nice.

And then I would leave them alone and let the countries where they are actually fighting in deal with the problem ALL BY THEMSELVES (short of humanitarian aid).

 

[Tazmanian Devil]

The president does not want to get American soldiers killed. to shut down isis..but so fare have killed over 5000 in drone strikes with no American lives loss to the enemy. hmmmm not bad..but for some this is not good enough..also Obama is blamed for not cleaning up bush mess,, the Iraq war... now please tell me how would you handle this problem..

I think this board, as well as hundreds of thousands more Americans are starting to realize the truth of what I have been posting here the past several months.

Islam is committed to the elimination of our society, government and culture and no non Muslim has any business defending this ideology which exists to achieve the ultimate mastery of all mankind by any means necessary.

But, as we have no guaranteed way of knowing who is going to be loyal to us and whio will be loyal to Allah we should GTFO of that region as much as possible and then work to keep America safe and tranquil by deporting Muslims as much as is legally possible and restricting the influx of new Muslims as much as possible.

We can't trust their allegiance.

Allah means more to them than their relationship to liberty or us.