How will the maga war on education ensure that all kids get access to a good education ?

[trixare4kids]

imho The answer to that question is ~ yes for multiple people.

I thought that after this last election, it would improve. Seems to be getting much worse, at least on this forum.

 

[CharisRose]

What are you on about? Provide some facts, direct links. Don't presume we all know what you are talking about.

Let me hazard a guess though... Perhaps factual information showing that slaves were expected to be useful to their then masters? That they were taught methods of farming, smithing/iron working, construction skills, animal husbandry, furniture construction, wood working, and so on?

Are you arguing that these "skills" were not marketable when slavery was abolished? That those freed who may have been given land to farm already had the hard experience to make it work? Those who sought work in construction, or in jobs making clothes and other sundries were able to do so easily?



The people at the local level will be in charge.

The idea of the Dept. of Education was to create some basic standards nationwide. You know, like reading levels per age group, understanding of mathematics per age group, basic science knowledge per age group. etc. Try to develop standardized testing to provide base lines of area knowledge.

It was not created to fund teachers' unions, or push DEI, ESG, or any other racial, sexual, self-identity bull crap.

Since it has not been doing its job, why keep it around?

Excellent points! Thank You.

 

[tharock220]

we spend $60k a year on private school because we don’t want bureaucrats 150 miles away telling us what our kids will learn.

Any guess about my attitude about bureaucrats 1500 miles away?

 

[Risky Thicket]

I am struggling with the idea that MAGA Republicans would even consider "all kids" receiving "a good education," might be a better statement to say MAGA Republicans are interested in *some or the right kids" receiving a good education.

Just that slight change explains why MAGA Republicans tend to target The US Department of Education, various State Education agencies and teacher's unions, promote education voucher systems, etc. That is all designed to ensure only certain kids obtain an education and everyone else has to make due with less resources.

Now I will stipulate that The US Department of Education and even teacher's unions are doing a terrible job of influencing how our kids are educated, just a casual observance of how the US ranks against like nations in reading comprehension, math, and science suggests between the lot of Democratic and Republican influences over the years all we've done is lower the bar, hand our participation trophies, and crank out future generations of uneducated, entitled, narcissistic idiots.

Local educational standards are pretty much local: state, county, school. Parents by and large are not often involved in their chidlren's education unless there is a trendy hot button issue.

The MAGA federal position is religion based with racist undertones. Start there.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Local educational standards are pretty much local: state, county, school. Parents by and large are not often involved in their chidlren's education unless there is a trendy hot button issue.

The MAGA federal position is religion based with racist undertones. Start there.

Unless I’m missing something, where are we not in agreement? (I’m legit asking, not baiting.)

 

[Risky Thicket]

Unless I’m missing something, where are we not in agreement? (I’m legit asking, not baiting.)

I am agreeing. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[follower7371]

This seems like a hammer to crack a nut. Trump has installed a wrestling lady to close down the dept of education and presumably transfer its undertakings to the various states.
Will the states be ready to assume control.?

Education in many states seems to be in the hands of ideological lunatics. How will the interests of the children be safeguarded ? In particular the poorer children.

How will a qualification awarded by Florida, for example, be rated by employers alomgside a qualification issued by a normal state ? It all seems very problematic.

He has some very experienced & knowledgeable people so hopefully, closing down the federal education department will go smoothly. States already have their own education departments. I don't know how the Constitution works, but is there perhaps a way that he could "incentivize" the States to clean up their departments to get rid of the DEI & CRT bull crap?

 

[panic buyer]

He has some very experienced & knowledgeable people so hopefully, closing down the federal education department will go smoothly. States already have their own education departments. I don't know how the Constitution works, but is there perhaps a way that he could "incentivize" the States to clean up their departments to get rid of the DEI & CRT bull crap?

You mean teach fake education ?

 

[Jason Warfield]

So, gave this some thought...and...fine...hand it to the states. Here's why...

Let the red states lower their quality of education by lowering standards. Let them shut down universities for being "woke". Let them make the students learn about God and little else. Let red states churn out followers and servants to those more successful than they.

Let the blue states have strong education programs, especially in the sciences and mathematics. Let the blue states pump out better educated Americans who will be in control of the nation's technology. Let the blue states churn out business leaders. Let the blue states churn out Americans who will lead and tell the red state Americans of the future what to do.

Wouldn't it be funny if suddenly the red state Americans found themselves in the service of a rich, transgender business leader?

 

[panic buyer]

So, gave this some thought...and...fine...hand it to the states. Here's why...

Let the red states lower their quality of education by lowering standards. Let them shut down universities for being "woke". Let them make the students learn about God and little else. Let red states churn out followers and servants to those more successful than they.

Let the blue states have strong education programs, especially in the sciences and mathematics. Let the blue states pump out better educated Americans who will be in control of the nation's technology. Let the blue states churn out business leaders. Let the blue states churn out Americans who will lead and tell the red state Americans of the future what to do.

Wouldn't it be funny if suddenly the red state Americans found themselves in the service of a rich, transgender business leader?

The problem is that a lot of kids in red states are being robbed of chances in life.
Their futures are veing hijacked by moronic zealots who are basically child abusers.
Its bad for the nation and civilisation.
But thats what conseratism is. A cancer on society.

 

[BirdinHand]

So, gave this some thought...and...fine...hand it to the states. Here's why...

Let the red states lower their quality of education by lowering standards. Let them shut down universities for being "woke". Let them make the students learn about God and little else. Let red states churn out followers and servants to those more successful than they.

Let the blue states have strong education programs, especially in the sciences and mathematics. Let the blue states pump out better educated Americans who will be in control of the nation's technology. Let the blue states churn out business leaders. Let the blue states churn out Americans who will lead and tell the red state Americans of the future what to do.

Wouldn't it be funny if suddenly the red state Americans found themselves in the service of a rich, transgender business leader?

It won’t play out that cleanly.

How it will play out is that the kids of the educated and wealthy individuals will get the good education and go on to be wealthy. Their family tree will continue to grow in wealth and power…

And the kids of poorer people will get lesser education and continue to be poor. And struggle. Down the lineage.

We have tried to equalize that playing field, but perhaps we can’t.

 

[panic buyer]

It won’t play out that cleanly.

How it will play out is that the kids of the educated and wealthy individuals will get the good education and go on to be wealthy. Their family tree will continue to grow in wealth and power…

And the kids of poorer people will get lesser education and continue to be poor. And struggle. Down the lineage.

We have tried to equalize that playing field, but perhaps we can’t.

They need to be an underclass to feed their sense of grievance. MAGA!!

 

[mrjurrs]

This seems like a hammer to crack a nut. Trump has installed a wrestling lady to close down the dept of education and presumably transfer its undertakings to the various states.
Will the states be ready to assume control.?

Education in many states seems to be in the hands of ideological lunatics. How will the interests of the children be safeguarded ? In particular the poorer children.

How will a qualification awarded by Florida, for example, be rated by employers alomgside a qualification issued by a normal state ? It all seems very problematic.

The whole point of the plan is to dumb down the citizenry. They want to return control of our nation's schools to the states? Without federal intervention, I'm not sure that Little Rock schools would be desegregated yet...

 

[follower7371]

So, gave this some thought...and...fine...hand it to the states. Here's why...

Let the red states lower their quality of education by lowering standards. Let them shut down universities for being "woke". Let them make the students learn about God and little else. Let red states churn out followers and servants to those more successful than they.

Let the blue states have strong education programs, especially in the sciences and mathematics. Let the blue states pump out better educated Americans who will be in control of the nation's technology. Let the blue states churn out business leaders. Let the blue states churn out Americans who will lead and tell the red state Americans of the future what to do.

Wouldn't it be funny if suddenly the red state Americans found themselves in the service of a rich, transgender business leader?

Your hypothetical is exactly the opposite of what is reality in my humble opinion.

The blue states (and unfortunately some red ones too) have decided that science & mathematics aren't important anymore. Honestly, haven't you been paying attention? It's WAY more important for kids to learn DEI and CRT & perhaps they're gender isn't what they want it to be - you know, "social justice crap."

I think DEI will die its own death because it is a divisive & destructive ideology. Even companies are starting to do away with it because of the disastrous results they've encountered & all the wackadoodle crap they're learning. (2+2 isn't 4 don't 'cha know, math is racist et al) Anyhoo, the future WILL BE INTERESTING.

 

[GIJane]

How will the maga war on education ensure that all kids get access to a good education ?​

First of all, MAGA isn't at war wiith education. It's at war with the "Department" of Education. In other words, it seeks to remove the unconstitutional control the federal government has over education.

Regarding your fears of states being in the hands of ideological lunatics, that's a state issue that needs to be dealt with by each state's citizens. shrug... Some states will always be controlled by the liberals unless the citizens decide to make a change.

Qualifications? Well, that has always been something that employers have had to deal with. That's why degrees from some universities are deemed more valuable than degrees from other universities. Nothing will change in that respect.

And finally, "access to a good education". We don't need a federal department to ensure that all children have access to an education. Congress is always free to pass a law that ensures that. If states violate that law by preventing people from having access to an education, it gets settled in the justice system.

As to the comment I bolded? They already are. It's called the NEA and AFT.

 

[Ahlevah]

How will the maga war on education brain washing ensure that all kids get access to a good education indoctrination?​

Fixed!

 

[Helix]

Regressives don't want kids to get a proper education.

 

[follower7371]

Regressives don't want kids to get a proper education.

Which is why Trump's ideas are so popular. Republicans & those who support them want their kids to actually be EDUCATED. You know, math, science, languages/English, social studies et al. So Helix's comment is exactly right. The Regressives want kids to be sexualized, puberty issues are called "trans" issues when its nothing of the kind, DEI is more important than learning the ABC's, CRT is more important than the ABC's etc.

 

[Helix]

Which is why Trump's ideas are so popular. Republicans & those who support them want their kids to actually be EDUCATED. You know, math, science, languages/English, social studies et al. So Helix's comment is exactly right. The Regressives want kids to be sexualized, puberty issues are called "trans" issues when its nothing of the kind, DEI is more important than learning the ABC's, CRT is more important than the ABC's etc.

Weak. Turn off the faux.

 

[follower7371]

Weak. Turn off the faux.

I use them among many news sources because I'm looking for facts, not propaganda and/or opinions that is spewed by the CNN's, MSNBC's et al.

 

[Helix]

I use them among many news sources because I'm looking for facts, not propaganda and/or opinions that is spewed by the CNN's, MSNBC's et al.

It's not news. I climbed out.

 

[Liberty One]

Ah, the classic scare tactic—without the benevolent hand of the federal government, education will collapse, and some states will suffer! This argument assumes, without evidence, that the Department of Education has improved education in the first place. In reality, since its creation, we’ve seen skyrocketing costs, bloated bureaucracies, and declining performance. The very states you worry about “falling behind” are already suffering under this federal behemoth, as one-size-fits-all mandates strangle local innovation and force compliance with ridiculous policies rather than actual learning.

Before the DOE existed, America had a thriving, decentralized education system. Schools were locally controlled, and literacy rates were high. Contrast that with today, where federal involvement has led to test scores stagnating despite ever-increasing spending. What incentive does a bureaucrat in Washington have to improve education in a small town in Kentucky or Montana? None. But local parents and communities? They have every reason to demand better schools and to create alternatives when the system fails.

The solution isn’t more top-down control but more competition. School choice, private alternatives, and homeschooling have consistently outperformed the bloated public system. If we really care about education, we should be working to dismantle this bureaucratic monstrosity, not clinging to it out of fear.

 

[Luce]

Ah, the classic scare tactic—without the benevolent hand of the federal government, education will collapse, and some states will suffer!

Well, yes. Mississippi, for example, will never be able to support a school system in the same manner that Massachusetts would.

But I'm okay with that. It's not like the flyover hayseeds use their education.

 

[Liberty One]

Well, yes. Mississippi, for example, will never be able to support a school system in the same manner that Massachusetts would.

But I'm okay with that. It's not like the flyover hayseeds use their education.

Ah, the smug elitism of the enlightened statist—because nothing says “champion of education” like sneering at entire populations as “flyover hayseeds.” This is the kind of attitude that underpins every disastrous federal intervention: the belief that a handful of bureaucrats and self-proclaimed intellectuals know what’s best for millions of people they’ve never met.

Let’s address the nonsense in this statement head-on. Mississippi, like every other state, is perfectly capable of supporting education without some grand overseer in Washington micromanaging the process. In fact, before the federal government stuck its incompetent hands into education, literacy rates were rising, and schools were adapting to local needs instead of complying with absurd one-size-fits-all mandates. Since the Department of Education was created, we’ve seen spending skyrocket while results stagnate—because federal meddling doesn’t improve education, it just creates bloated bureaucracies and political indoctrination centers.

And let’s talk outcomes. The idea that centralized, tax-funded schooling produces intellectual superiority is laughable when the very people pushing it can’t balance a budget, run a functioning DMV, or even keep their own cities from turning into crime-ridden disasters. Maybe instead of forcing Mississippi to copy Massachusetts’ failing public school model, we should be asking why we still tolerate this broken, government-run mess at all.

If you’re so confident in your own education, try making an argument without the snobbery.