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How will Obamacare help you personally?

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How will Obamacare help you personally?


I mean, do you currently have insurance? Will you keep your insurance?

Do you think you will save money by dumping your health insurance in favor of this Obamacare?


Will your quality of care go up or down?


What net gain, do you think, you will get with the current plan under review?


What did you use to arrive at your answer.


thanks you.
 
Until we have solid numbers on what the going rate is for the government plan, we don't really have anything to go off of. However, don't let that stop you from speculating wildly.
 
I don't have insurance. It remains to be seen whether this new plan will improve the situation or not-- it looks like it may end up forcing me to pay for the new government insurance, which I simply cannot afford at this time.
 
I think a better question would be: Does anyone actually understand the entirety of health care reform as offered by the Obama administration?

Over 1,000 pages of health care reform and incomprehensible legalese. Who wrote it? What's in it!? I sure as hell don't know and I sure as hell don't plan on finding out...the god damn thing is too big for any normal person to understand or analyze intelligently. Ron Paul submitted a comprehensive health care reform bill to the House in 2007...it was two pages long. The Dems can take this partisan monstrosity and stick it up their asses.
 
:lol:


the silence in this thread is rather interesting given the vigor in which this "plan" is defended.....
 
If it is successfully implemented, it will mean people understand it more and stop using my country's UHC as their poster boy for better or worse. It also means that American tourists who come up North will be less of an eye sore.

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If it is successfully implemented, it will mean people understand it more and stop using my country's UHC as their poster boy for better or worse. It also means that American tourists who come up North will be less of an eye sore.

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What does this even mean? is UHC going to provide facelifts or something for ugly Americans? :confused:
 
Until we have solid numbers on what the going rate is for the government plan, we don't really have anything to go off of. However, don't let that stop you from speculating wildly.
You'll have those numbers when it's too late to stop it. But don't let that stop you from being a passive citizen.
 
It means I'm joking?




about what? it makes little sense, or it does, but its not really a good joke.... I was unsure of the humor you were trying to express....

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Anyone else get it or find the humor? anyone? :lol:
 
Anything like this that is universal for 300,000,000 people should be thoroughly examined BEFORE a vote. I mean who does Pelosi think she is?
 
Anything like this that is universal for 300,000,000 people should be thoroughly examined BEFORE a vote. I mean who does Pelosi think she is?

I am firmly in the camp that bills should be read and thoroughly debated on the floor, line by line if necessary, before they are even eligible for a vote. The fact that people are going to vote for this thing without even knowing what it does... to me, it shows a fundamental failure of democracy.

The people's representatives, apparently, are no wiser than the people themselves.
 
I am firmly in the camp that bills should be read and thoroughly debated on the floor, line by line if necessary, before they are even eligible for a vote. The fact that people are going to vote for this thing without even knowing what it does... to me, it shows a fundamental failure of democracy.

The people's representatives, apparently, are no wiser than the people themselves.

Even though I support the idea of UHC in the U.S., I do agree with you here. A lot of the debates are rhetoric based and not policy based. I hope by the end of the summer, at least some representatives have thorough knowledge of its actual contents so it can be discussed.

A bill like this should, ideally, take half a year of debate before a vote can even happen.
 
I imagine that since I am going into physical therapy, its going to have an effect on my job. Whether it will be a positive effect or negative I am not sure, because I don't know how its going to affect employment and wages for those that work in healthcare. I'm pretty certain I'll be able to have a career, I just hope it will remain a somewhat lucrative one.
 
How will Obamacare help you personally?

I don't think it will. Without the colonoscopy I had at age 42, I might have developed colon cancer, possibly inoperable cancer, before age 50 (which is the normal age to have your first colonoscopy).

I'm scheduled to have another colonoscopy in 3 years because of my risk assessment. My insurance is good for it.

Will an Obamacare panel decide that I don't need another colonscopy at 45? My doctor thinks I do...and this worries me. Will I have the option to keep my private health insurance? Will the cost of private healthcare insurance spiral beyond my reach because of so many taking the "free" option?

Nobody knows what the final bill would look like in detail, so who knows. I'd rather keep things as they are, even if the costs are certainly higher than I'd like. I know that I'm getting first-rate care NOW... I have grave doubts that I'd get equal treatment under the O-plan.


G.
 
I don't think it will. Without the colonoscopy I had at age 42, I might have developed colon cancer, possibly inoperable cancer, before age 50 (which is the normal age to have your first colonoscopy).

I'm scheduled to have another colonoscopy in 3 years because of my risk assessment. My insurance is good for it.

Will an Obamacare panel decide that I don't need another colonscopy at 45? My doctor thinks I do...and this worries me. Will I have the option to keep my private health insurance? Will the cost of private healthcare insurance spiral beyond my reach because of so many taking the "free" option?

Nobody knows what the final bill would look like in detail, so who knows. I'd rather keep things as they are, even if the costs are certainly higher than I'd like. I know that I'm getting first-rate care NOW... I have grave doubts that I'd get equal treatment under the O-plan.


G.

If the UHC is done properly, then you should be able to have a colonoscopy if your doctor thinks you need one, period.
 
If the UHC is done properly, then you should be able to have a colonoscopy if your doctor thinks you need one, period.


That would be just one of the many problems I have with UHC: I don't trust the government to do it properly.

I have lots of other problems with it though: cost, control issues, the principle that people should provide their own healthcare costs rather than relying on government, etc.
 
Until we have solid numbers on what the going rate is for the government plan, we don't really have anything to go off of. However, don't let that stop you from speculating wildly.

True. Here is what Obama himself hopes the legislators will agree on:

•Reduce long-term growth of health care costs for businesses and government
•Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
•Guarantee choice of doctors and health plans
•Invest in prevention and wellness
•Improve patient safety and quality of care
•Assure affordable, quality health coverage for all Americans
•Maintain coverage when you change or lose your job
•End barriers to coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions

Health Reform

Back to the OP, as for me personally, my daughter just turned 18, so I had to move her to a very high deductable HC plan, where I basicaly pay for everything unless something catastrophic happens. Just the other day a doctor visit and one prescription cost me almost $500 dollars. So my immediate hope is to see a cheaper public option and controls on drug prices.

Also when I retire, I will have to pay my HC premiums out of my pension, if costs continue to rise, they could be eating up half of my retirement funds.

And we have to look at what the policy of "doing nothing" will entail: continued fast-rising costs to citizens and employers, more people forced out of affordable HC, more crowded emergency rooms, more HC related banruptcies, and more deaths because of high drug costs.
 
True. Here is what Obama himself hopes the legislators will agree on:
It is a lovely set of objectives. What a pity none of them are being addressed by the Congress. If Dear Leader was serious about these objectives, he would be telling Congress to scrap their bills and proposals and start over again, because Congress is moving 180 degrees away from Dear Leader's objectives. As Dear Leader is supportive of the proposals in Congress, one can only conclude that he is not at all serious about these objectives.

And we have to look at what the policy of "doing nothing" will entail: continued fast-rising costs to citizens and employers, more people forced out of affordable HC, more crowded emergency rooms, more HC related banruptcies, and more deaths because of high drug costs.
The "doing nothing" mantra is a bad lie. People really need to stop using it. There are alternatives. HR2520 is an alternative, and a worthy one. It has substantive ideas on how to cost effectively achieve prevention and expanded insurance coverage. Henry Taxman buried it in favor of his 1,000 page monstrosity that is emphatically and certifiably cost-ineffective.

If Dear Leader had the stomach and the cojones to make good on his campaign promises of bipartisanship, he would drag HR2520 to the podium and tell the Anti-Republicans to take a long hard look at it, to cull out the good ideas and make good use of them. But because Dear Leader, being a political eunuch, never had a pair in the first place, he will play along with Henry Taxman and mouth the bad lie about folks wanting to "do nothing".
 
It is a lovely set of objectives. What a pity none of them are being addressed by the Congress. If Dear Leader was serious about these objectives, he would be telling Congress to scrap their bills and proposals and start over again, because Congress is moving 180 degrees away from Dear Leader's objectives. As Dear Leader is supportive of the proposals in Congress, one can only conclude that he is not at all serious about these objectives.

Unlike the last guy, "dear leader" realizes that he is not a king. He has to work with a congress and a screwed up system where the insurance and drug lobbies are pouring millions into blocking substantive reform. Getting any bill passed will be a minor miracle and will, unfortunately, have to be a small step in the right direction, instead of a giant leap.

The "doing nothing" mantra is a bad lie.

Except that it is has been a reality for decades while dozens of "lesser" countries have passed us by in better, less costly HC for their citizens.
 
Unlike the last guy, "dear leader" realizes that he is not a king. He has to work with a congress and a screwed up system where the insurance and drug lobbies are pouring millions into blocking substantive reform. Getting any bill passed will be a minor miracle and will, unfortunately, have to be a small step in the right direction, instead of a giant leap.
How nice and wonderful, except you fail completely to address the point that what Congress is doing is the exact opposite of Dear Leader's stated goals.

"Working with" someone does not mean letting them take your laundry list of objectives and crap all over them. If this is how Dear Leader works with Congress, then he's about a thousand times worse than Jimmy Carter ever was in terms of doing legislation. Or Dear Leader is just paying lip service to those objectives, really just wants to impose GovernmentCare on everyone because he's arrogant and asinine enough to believe that government is actually a solution for something, and so is quite happy with what's coming out of the Congress, and doesn't give a tinker's damn about the fact that it completely misses the entirety of his list of goals for health care.

Except that it is has been a reality for decades while dozens of "lesser" countries have passed us by in better, less costly HC for their citizens.
Except that no one is really seriously proposing to do nothing; there are alternatives out there, just that the supporters of idiocies like HR3200 refuse to acknowledge their existence. Rather like you did just now by completely neglecting to speak to the alternative bill I mentioned, HR2520.

The "do nothing" mantra remains a bad lie, badly told.
 
How nice and wonderful, except you fail completely to address the point that what Congress is doing is the exact opposite of Dear Leader's stated goals.

more partisan hyperbole.

The "do nothing" mantra remains a bad lie, badly told.

Except for the fact that it's completely true.

Where was this glorious HR2520 when the repubs had six years of total govt control?

The only thing we saw was "health savings accounts" and a drug plan written of, by and for the benefit of big pharma.

The repubs did nothing, so they'll have to deal with the consequences of losing elections... their seat at the table in this debate will be at the childrens table.
 
You'll have those numbers when it's too late to stop it. But don't let that stop you from being a passive citizen.

You're mistaking passivity for thoughtful researching of facts and reading opposing views.

We've had to wade through a ton of partisan talking points (especially from the right) just to get to some real data.

From PolitiFact with my comments in red.

• Leave employer-provided insurance in place. Close to three-quarters of the country gets health care through work, and studies show many people like their coverage. A House version of the bill seeks to broaden that coverage by imposing new taxes on large employers who don't offer health insurance.

Employers who don't offer health insurance should not be taxed. But companies that do offer health insurance should receive tax credits based on the level of coverage they provide their employees. This would mean all health coverage would be rated by an independent, possibly non-government board. Like the MPAA. Give the buyer more power by coming up with a standardized rating system and eliminate the information asymmetry between insurance companies and patients.

• Health insurance exchange. To help people who have to go out and buy insurance on their own, the plan creates an exchange, a virtual marketplace where individuals and small businesses can comparison-shop. The government would regulate the exchange so that insurance companies can't discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions, or charge wildly different amounts for similar coverage. (They will be able to set rates based on age, however.)

Great idea -- give the buyer more information. Government's involvement could be problematic. The Fed should not dictate rates, just provide clear information to the consumer which would make the insurance companies offer more completive pricing.

• The public option. One of the options on the exchange will be a public option, run by the government, that offers basic coverage. President Barack Obama has said the public option will keep private insurers honest by competing with them so they can't charge unfair rates for the basics. Many experts believe that the public option will be the least expensive option on the exchange.

This looks good on paper -- the economics of having a not-for-profit insurer offering basic coverage makes good sense in terms of keeping the market competitive. The downside of course is that it will be government run and therefore a potential train wreck of waste and abuse. State governments have gotten fleeced trying to do this. It would need to be run by people with a tremendous amount of experience in providing public health services and avoiding the types of fraud and waste that can go on.

• More for the poor. The plan expands eligibility for programs like Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program. Some people of modest means will receive "affordability credits" to buy plans on the health insurance exchange.

The safety net. Absolutely for children. All children should have regular check-ups and get adequate health care without having to sit in emergency waiting rooms for 6-8 hours. This is complicated because what we're talking about is 'free' health care paid for by tax-payers. We are a compassionate society but the size and scope of the safety net needs to be carefully monitored so that we do not disincentivize the adults to pick themselves up and get back on track.

• An individual mandate . This requires people to buy insurance, unless they qualify for a hardship exemption. The expectation is that everyone will be covered, either through their employer or through the exchange. People who don't buy insurance will have to pay a penalty on their taxes.

The State of California requires everyone who drives to have liability insurance. I'm not sure how this would work with health insurance. I'd like to hear more pro/con views from experts.

• Electronic records. To reduce inefficiency and duplication of services, the government will invest in electronic health records, so doctors can see which tests and procedures patients have already had.

Absolutely. People should be able to carry their entire health records, X-rays, tests, etc. around on USB flash drive or scannable card. The health care providers hate this because it would eliminate many back office jobs--(you know the 'nurse' talking to her boyfriend on the phone while you're waiting to pay your deductible or make an appointment.) This will also cut down on wasteful procedures and trips to the lab to pickup old test results and bring them to a new doctor. I once went to pick up my son's x-rays at one doctor and they told me to bring them back in a week. Why?! There not your's, they're mine! The time and efficiency benefits are undeniable. The Problem -- Government's involvement and huge privacy issues.

• Research on better treatments. A comparative effectiveness research center will conduct and publish scientific research to find which treatments are the most effective. The government hopes easy-to-access information for doctors, patients and insurance companies will reduce procedures and treatments that don't really work, wringing waste from the system.

Doctors do a pretty good job of this on their own. Competent, honest doctors don't send you all over town for tests you don't need. How about making referral kickbacks between doctors and medical groups illegal? I'm all for more information to the consumers, but Government's involvement is always a concern.

• Medicare. The bill makes many changes to how Medicare pays doctors and other health-care providers. Taken as a whole, the new rules aim to pay doctors for good patient outcomes instead of paying them per procedure, also called "fee-for-service."

We could phase out Medicare and just make the public option free to people over 65. But why have just one government office building when you can have two? The counseling every 5 years for people over 65 is a very sensible way to make sure every patient gets the care they want and need. I really hope it's not being tossed because Sarah Palin talked out of her ass. Paying Dr.'s for 'good patient outcomes' -- remember what happened Chicago teachers were given bonuses for higher test scores? The helped their students cheat on the test; in some cases filling in the tests for the students. You much be very careful with how you incentivize people. I'd like to hear more about how exactly this would work.

There's more great info in the PolitiFact article for those who care to read it.
 
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