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How to deny a cop demanding ID for no reason

Bodi

Bodi

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noonereal said:
What assholes these camera guys are
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I agree he is a jerk about it but he also stands up for his rights... and that is a good thing. I would argue that a cop that lies and tries to violate your rights is an even bigger asshole though.
 
Peter said:
It would be nice if they trained police more on when they can and can't demand ID.
That would help.
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They teach them how to intimidate to get the info they want without technically breaking the law. This creates an adversarial relationship between cops and the public.

Bad shit.
 
mrjurrs said:
All you have to do is accept the risk of the LOE taking you to jail. Your rights protect you after you're in the system, not before.
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The either always protect you or they never protect you.
 
Bodi said:
The either always protect you or they never protect you.
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Just use my example to prove yourself wrong.

I refuse my ID to an officer. He arrests me. I have my attorney make an appropriate move, I'm released.
 
mrjurrs said:
Just use my example to prove yourself wrong.

I refuse my ID to an officer. He arrests me. I have my attorney make an appropriate move, I'm released.
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So you think that lots of people have an attorney or can afford one?

You also realize that without camera footage a person is basically ****ed... it is their word vs the cop and that means losing.
 
Bodi said:
I agree he is a jerk about it but he also stands up for his rights... and that is a good thing. I would argue that a cop that lies and tries to violate your rights is an even bigger asshole though.
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Think back to your high school reunions. The guys that became cops were all the assholes you dealt with.

That cop had no reason to ask for ID.
 
Bodi said:
So you think that lots of people have an attorney or can afford one?

You also realize that without camera footage a person is basically ****ed... it is their word vs the cop and that means losing.
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In America, everybody gets an attorney. Thanks for buttressing my point. Rights are protected once in the system. They may not be until then.
 
Peter said:
It would be nice if they trained police more on when they can and can't demand ID.
That would help.
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Which again makes me wonder why people argue for defending the police. If they need better training, I argue they need MORE money put into the training.
 
mrjurrs said:
In America, everybody gets an attorney. Thanks for buttressing my point. Rights are protected once in the system. They may not be until then.
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You said "your attorney"... not some barely competent public defender that will plea deal 90% (or whatever it is) of their cases.

EDIT: I low balled it to be on the safe side but I was not even close.

In the United States, roughly 97% of federal cases and 94% of state cases are settled by plea bargaining (Goode, 2012).
 
mrjurrs said:
Just use my example to prove yourself wrong.

I refuse my ID to an officer. He arrests me. I have my attorney make an appropriate move, I'm released.
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They should not have arrested you in the first place.

What if you lose your job because you're illegally in custody?

Is that OK?
 
donhughesmusic said:
Which again makes me wonder why people argue for defending the police. If they need better training, I argue they need MORE money put into the training.
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Knowing basic law should already be part of their training.
 
Know the law of your jurisdiction. No need to be confrontational. 'You have been advised by your union/dad/lawyer/lawyer sister etc. that you are cooperating but do not consent to any interviews or searches without your union/dad/lawyer/lawyer sister being present.' Do not raise your voice and do not change your language. If you already have your phone out keep it on, at least the audio part so it can clearly hear you.
 
The above worked with my boy when sheriff sniffed around him and his car at the local teenage park and kiss.
 
Peter said:
Knowing basic law should already be part of their training.
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Just because it is a part of it doesn't mean that it is taught well. We all have had shitty teachers in life.
 
Peter said:
It would be nice if they trained police more on when they can and can't demand ID.
That would help.
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Ohio is not a stop and frisk state
ORC 2912.29 means I can tell them to kiss my ass
 
The guy making the video is unnecessarily dramatic.

You can refuse to show ID. The cop can either walk away, or keep harassing you. You can then walk away, and if the cop arrests you, just let him and deal with it later. File a lawsuit, and they will pay you a little money to drop it.
 
mrjurrs said:
Just use my example to prove yourself wrong.

I refuse my ID to an officer. He arrests me. I have my attorney make an appropriate move, I'm released.
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Unless you have committed a felony in most states, that arrest is illegal.
Lawsuit time.
 
Peter said:
It would be nice if they trained police more on when they can and can't demand ID.
That would help.
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It'd be nice if there was some kind of standard of training that police officers had to meet.

But I think it depends on the town or locality and how much time/money they budget for that.
 
Here in Austria, the police may ask for your ID and you must provide it to them to get identified.

If you don't have an ID, they take you to the station and will keep you there until you are IDd.

Unlike in Germany, you don't have to carry an ID around with you in public here in Austria, and locals (= natives) are rarely asked for IDs, mostly just foreigners or foreign-looking people.
 
samiam5211 said:
The guy making the video is unnecessarily dramatic.

You can refuse to show ID. The cop can either walk away, or keep harassing you. You can then walk away, and if the cop arrests you, just let him and deal with it later. File a lawsuit, and they will pay you a little money to drop it.
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Way too simplified
 
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