How to create better jobs for Americans?

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Clarifications? LOL

You obviously have not been on the website I provided a link to. In the last 12 months alone there have been 613 new rules posted by the EPA.

Again, you're dismissing the concerns voiced by thousands of small business owners while demanding your ignorance and dismissal of their concerns be accepted.

Not going to happen.

So tell me, which rules on the list this link will take you to will not impact small business?

Regulations.gov

Should I start posting links to regulations passed by other agencies that have impacted small business?

Again, why anyone would consider themselves better than and more informed than thousands of small business owners is beyond my understanding especially when they are so willfully uninformed and uninterested.

Thanks for the link.

Just scanning through it, most, if not all of those regulations are targeted for just very specific situations for very specific industries, often in very specific geographic locations. Some of those regulations aren't even really new regulations, just more or less affirmations of already existing regulations (ie Underground Storage Tank Program: Codification of Approved State Program for South Carolina). Others are just proposals for regulations, like the one entitled "Small Business Size Standards for Manufacturing"

So how many of those regulations may effect a particular business in a particular industry in a particular geographic area? Maybe one or two, or more likely zero? And of those, how many are unneeded and overly burdensome?

I'm not saying that regulations don't restrain business, just that it's not really the major issue that some like to make it out to be.

 

[LagerHead]

How to create BETTER jobs for Americans.

I have a simple economic concept that is based on the idea that American businesses exist in a competitive market and that they want to spend as little money as possible to make as much as possible. And in that fashion they will not hire people if they can get by.

But maybe we as a nation can create more jobs by giving tax breaks to companies who have a certain number of employees? Balance with income and do a certain % of course. The object of the government should be to create an environment that is pro business growth in a manner that grows jobs.

That is just another way of the government helping to pick winners and losers.

How about this for an idea? Remove ridiculous barriers that prevent entrepreneurs from starting new businesses. Remove stupid licensing requirements from just about every job field. Eliminate job-killing regulatory barriers that make it more difficult to compete and largely reward the largest companies, aka the largest political donors. That would be a better start.

 

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God I love this uninformed tactic the left uses. Rather than understand something is up when thousands and thousands of small business owners are complaining about the ever increasing regulatory burden, they just dismiss what small business people are saying and demand they prove what the thousands and thousands of new regulations are doing to them.

I guess you just believe it is a big conspiracy, and these small business people are full of crap.

Remarkable.

Prove to me that not one of the thousands of regulations passed by the EPA in the last two years has had an impact on small business.

Thousands of people complain about all sorts of things every day. That doesn't mean that their complaints are legitimate, especially when they are unable to point to any specifics.

I'm a small business person, as are most of my customers. I really can't point to any regulations that are unneeded or overly burdensome for my business, and I can't recall ever hearing any of my customers pointing to any such regulations, other than some small lenders who complain that they are only allowed to charge 68% interest in my state.

What I find quite remarkable is that apparently you can't point to any of these horrible regulations either, yet you still claim that they exist to the point that it is significantly harming economic growth.

 

[jaeger19]

So there are 150 million job openings for people with doctorate degrees?

150 million people with doctorate degree would CREATE those jobs.

I am where I am because of my education. Its just that simple. And I did it by creating business and meeting demands that were not being met by other entities. I created products that are being used now that were not in existing before. I created services that are being done now that were not being done before. (and much of that.. in fact most of that.. doesn't "pay" me)

And honestly.. its really not that "astounding".. Its really simple. Everyone thinks that innovation means "copyrighting, or inventing a new product". But innovation can be as simply as changing a process.
Ford didn't invent a new product.. he changed how cars were built and how cars were marketed etc. (and lets be honest, that wasn't just ford but a lot of very smart people around ford).

 

[ocean515]

Thanks for the link.

Just scanning through it, most, if not all of those regulations are targeted for just very specific situations for very specific industries, often in very specific geographic locations. Some of those regulations aren't even really new regulations, just more or less affirmations of already existing regulations (ie Underground Storage Tank Program: Codification of Approved State Program for South Carolina). Others are just proposals for regulations, like the one entitled "Small Business Size Standards for Manufacturing"

So how many of those regulations may effect a particular business in a particular industry in a particular geographic area? Maybe one or two, or more likely zero? And of those, how many are unneeded and overly burdensome?

I'm not saying that regulations don't restrain business, just that it's not really the major issue that some like to make it out to be.

Tens of thousands of small business owners have been saying they are being crushed by a never ending regulatory burden. Tens of thousands.

How is it possible for anyone to dismiss their concerns? Again, do people think it's one big conspiracy?

For example, California is ranked either last, or second to last, depending on the study, as the worst place to do business in the Nation. Coincidentally, it's also one of the most regulated states in the United States, with some agencies allowed to usurp Federal regulatory power, and set regulatory policy that no other state has the power to set.

Why do you think California has achieved the ranking it has, because people don't smile? Because the trees aren't green enough? It's achieved that ranking because of the stifling regulatory burden, as well as tax and other burdens. These are facts. Yet you just dismiss this all, and claim regulations aren't the big deal people want to make of them.

You even prove you don't even know how many regulations have been passed, nor are you informed of the content of the thousands that have been passed.

How do you square that?

 

[ocean515]

Thousands of people complain about all sorts of things every day. That doesn't mean that their complaints are legitimate, especially when they are unable to point to any specifics.

I'm a small business person, as are most of my customers. I really can't point to any regulations that are unneeded or overly burdensome for my business, and I can't recall ever hearing any of my customers pointing to any such regulations, other than some small lenders who complain that they are only allowed to charge 68% interest in my state.

What I find quite remarkable is that apparently you can't point to any of these horrible regulations either, yet you still claim that they exist to the point that it is significantly harming economic growth.

Again, with the "prove it" BS. And again with the dismissal of these thousands of job creators.

It's hard to measure the degree of smug arrogance the uniformed left can display.

I'm done. It pisses me off, and this is just a playground, so I know when I need to go sit in the corner and take a breather.

 

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Tens of thousands of small business owners have been saying they are being crushed by a never ending regulatory burden. Tens of thousands.

Tens of thousands (probably millions) of people complain that "these jeans make my arse look fat". Maybe the problem isn't the jeans. People have all sorts of silly complaints, that doesn't make them valid. Especially when they can't specify exactly what those complaints are about. When they just say "crushing regulations", to me that indicates that they have no idea what they are talking about, otherwise they would be specifying what the regulations are.

You even prove you don't even know how many regulations have been passed, nor are you informed of the content of the thousands that have been passed.

How do you square that?

Because like most small businesses, few apply to me. I deal with the regulations that apply to my industry, not with every regulation that applies to every industry.

 

[jaeger19]

Clarifications? LOL

You obviously have not been on the website I provided a link to. In the last 12 months alone there have been 613 new rules posted by the EPA.

Again, you're dismissing the concerns voiced by thousands of small business owners while demanding your ignorance and dismissal of their concerns be accepted.

Not going to happen.

So tell me, which rules on the list this link will take you to will not impact small business?

Regulations.gov

Should I start posting links to regulations passed by other agencies that have impacted small business?

Again, why anyone would consider themselves better than and more informed than thousands of small business owners is beyond my understanding especially when they are so willfully uninformed and uninterested.

Simply post the specific regulation and exactly show it hurts small businesses. Its really that simple...
And yes. I was at the website you linked to.

show me that those 613 new rules.. show me one.. that has a significant negative impact on small business, that wasn't there before.

And like I said.. I am a business owner.. and we love to complain.. no one likes regulation.. well until we lobby for it (like I and every other businessman does). Its just not the "tidal wave" you want to believe it is.

And yes.. go ahead and post all the other regulations that were recently passed on how they negatively impact small business as a whole. I would love to see some specifics.. heck even one example would be good from you.

By the way, I get a kick with your debate tactic of trying to say that I am "willfully uninformed" because I disagree with your premise for which you have yet to provide any specific examples.. much less a tidal wave. Funny... you claim I am uninformed because I can't find that many specific examples of which you are unable to provide as well... (but seem absolutely sure exist).

 

[ocean515]

Simply post the specific regulation and exactly show it hurts small businesses. Its really that simple...
And yes. I was at the website you linked to.

show me that those 613 new rules.. show me one.. that has a significant negative impact on small business, that wasn't there before.

And like I said.. I am a business owner.. and we love to complain.. no one likes regulation.. well until we lobby for it (like I and every other businessman does). Its just not the "tidal wave" you want to believe it is.

And yes.. go ahead and post all the other regulations that were recently passed on how they negatively impact small business as a whole. I would love to see some specifics.. heck even one example would be good from you.

By the way, I get a kick with your debate tactic of trying to say that I am "willfully uninformed" because I disagree with your premise for which you have yet to provide any specific examples.. much less a tidal wave. Funny... you claim I am uninformed because I can't find that many specific examples of which you are unable to provide as well... (but seem absolutely sure exist).

What a waste of time. Your answer to the concerns of small business owners is explained by "everybody" bitches. Stunning. I most certainly hope you are not involved in counseling small business owners on what challenges they face when it comes to the increasing burden of regulations.

Here are a couple of sources that I am sure you will dismiss as well.

Small Business Regulations Surge Under Obama - Forbes

And since obtaining knowledge seems to be a difficult enterprise for you - Here is a link to RFA's by agency triggered because of the potential for significant financial burden caused by the new regulations that by every measure, represent a tidal wave of new regulatory burden placed on business owners since Obama and his team took control.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AiYyxLrbT19_dDJfSUo1SHI1ckJtMEdlUHRMZnVuSWc&output=html

And I haven't mentioned the impact of state and local regulations imposed on small businesses.

Why don't you step up and explain how the double digit percentage increases in regulations don't impact small businesses, since you seem so certain there haven't been any that do?

 

[justabubba]

What a waste of time. Your answer to the concerns of small business owners is explained by "everybody" bitches. Stunning. I most certainly hope you are not involved in counseling small business owners on what challenges they face when it comes to the increasing burden of regulations.

Here are a couple of sources that I am sure you will dismiss as well.

Small Business Regulations Surge Under Obama - Forbes

And since obtaining knowledge seems to be a difficult enterprise for you - Here is a link to RFA's by agency triggered because of the potential for significant financial burden caused by the new regulations that by every measure, represent a tidal wave of new regulatory burden placed on business owners since Obama and his team took control.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AiYyxLrbT19_dDJfSUo1SHI1ckJtMEdlUHRMZnVuSWc&output=html

And I haven't mentioned the impact of state and local regulations imposed on small businesses.

Why don't you step up and explain how the double digit percentage increases in regulations don't impact small businesses, since you seem so certain there haven't been any that do?

why don't you step in and point out the onerous regulations which should be changed or eliminated. to be certain, they are there. but most of the regulations have a purpose

something reagan did that Obama should also do, is conduct white house conferences on small business in every state. where each gathering elects its representatives to attend the national conference. over 90% of the small business community's identified problems were then addressed by the congress, acting on the real problems identified by the white house sponsored state conferences

but what you have pointed out how many regulations are effected and that the numbers are growing. and you would have us believe that they are ALL bad. that's just a stupid argument

 

[ocean515]

why don't you step in and point out the onerous regulations which should be changed or eliminated. to be certain, they are there. but most of the regulations have a purpose

something reagan did that Obama should also do, is conduct white house conferences on small business in every state. where each gathering elects its representatives to attend the national conference. over 90% of the small business community's identified problems were then addressed by the congress, acting on the real problems identified by the white house sponsored state conferences

but what you have pointed out how many regulations are effected and that the numbers are growing. and you would have us believe that they are ALL bad. that's just a stupid argument

Reagan? Unbelievable.

You've just exposed the reason why these demands to provide an example of a single regulation is nothing but a fools errand. These regulations have a purpose? Of course they have a purpose, good or bad. That is the point.

Every regulation, every one of the thousands that have been passed in the last 5 years, everyone that represents a dramatic increase in regulatory control, has a purpose. If I post a single regulation, the only thing that will generate is a response that it "has a purpose" so it's nothing but bitching from small business owners who don't care about (fill in the blank).

As the link in my last post proved, there has been a dramatic increase in regulations that meet the RFA requirements because of their impact on business. Yet, there are those who claim there have been no regulations that have had, what is it now, "significant" impact on business.

Now you claim that I have made a statement that all regulations are bad. That has never happened in any post I have made. So why make the claim? How much backpeddling, fabrication, spinning and wiggling are people going to engage in when confronted with facts they can't refute?

To increase economic opportunity for as many people who are willing to take advantage of what is offered, these issues must be addressed. As it is, and as evidenced by these exchanges, there is a group of people who are completely clueless, and in complete denial. Ideological crippling will provide nothing but a roadblock to needed reforms.

Thanks for exchange.

 

[Kushinator]

I agree that we should improve education, but even if every single citizen got a PhD today, there still wouldn't be enough good jobs to employ them all, and we would still have a need for cashiers and janitors.

Every single citizen is not going to want to get a PhD. The need for cashiers and janitors in human form is waning. We do need mechanics, welders, carpenters, masons, and operators. We don't really have a credible transitioning program for new HS grads into these fields.

 

[imagep]

...
Every regulation, every one of the thousands that have been passed in the last 5 years, everyone that represents a dramatic increase in regulatory control, has a purpose....

Why do you only complain about those passed under Obama? Are they the only ones that are harmful.

 

[ocean515]

Why do you only complain about those passed under Obama? Are they the only ones that are harmful.

The reason has been well documented. Under the Obama Administration, unilateral regulatory action has increased dramatically. An already challenging environment has been supersized. Why wouldn't someone complain about the actions agencies under his control have taken?

Are you aware of the EPA's new "Environmental Justice" initiative? Under the Obama Administration, the EPA is now charged with deciding, again, unilaterally, what Social Justice objectives it will now regulate into reality. Really? The EPA?

The criticisms are completely justified. Frankly, there has been article after article written about the Obama Administrations regulatory tidal wave. The denial they have had any impact on business is just ideological absurdity.

 

[prometeus]

So how would we fund the government? Just print and borrow?

There are other types of taxes not just tax on income.

Or are you suggesting a tax on trade, such as a consumption tax or a value added tax?

Yes it is the most just.

Taxing commerce, or production (which is what "value added" is), is far more harmful to an economy that taxing excessive income.

Why? What do you base that on?

 

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There are other types of taxes not just tax on income.

Yes it is the most just.

Why? What do you base that on?

All forms of taxation, other than income tax, are income regressive, thus they tend to take more money out of the pocket of the consumer class. I switch from progressive taxation to regressive taxation causes a reduction in demand, and a contraction of business and jobs.

 

[prometeus]

All forms of taxation, other than income tax, are income regressive, thus they tend to take more money out of the pocket of the consumer class. I switch from progressive taxation to regressive taxation causes a reduction in demand, and a contraction of business and jobs.

Se will just have to remain in disagreement on that.

 

[jaeger19]

The reason has been well documented. Under the Obama Administration, unilateral regulatory action has increased dramatically. An already challenging environment has been supersized. Why wouldn't someone complain about the actions agencies under his control have taken?

Are you aware of the EPA's new "Environmental Justice" initiative? Under the Obama Administration, the EPA is now charged with deciding, again, unilaterally, what Social Justice objectives it will now regulate into reality. Really? The EPA?

The criticisms are completely justified. Frankly, there has been article after article written about the Obama Administrations regulatory tidal wave. The denial they have had any impact on business is just ideological absurdity.

Specifics please. Please point to the specific new regulation.. and the subsequent harm to small business. Come on man... you can come up with at least one can't you?

 

[ocean515]

Specifics please. Please point to the specific new regulation.. and the subsequent harm to small business. Come on man... you can come up with at least one can't you?

Run along. I have no interest in seeing you further embarrass yourself.

 

[justabubba]

Run along. I have no interest in seeing you further embarrass yourself.

c'mon
respond to his challenge
identify a single regulation that has been proposed that is onerous to small business
out of the massive number you tell us are being implemented
i am quite confident you could find one among all the new regulations
but the point is that they are so few, among the many appropriate regulations, that your argument is found to be a false one
the reality is that regulations tend to yield positive results

 

[ocean515]

c'mon
respond to his challenge
identify a single regulation that has been proposed that is onerous to small business
out of the massive number you tell us are being implemented
i am quite confident you could find one among all the new regulations
but the point is that they are so few, among the many appropriate regulations, that your argument is found to be a false one
the reality is that regulations tend to yield positive results

LOL. It's not a challenge, his demand is an admission of ignorance. Why would I respond to such a request. See post #84.

Care to comment on the link to the hundreds of regulations shown on the RFA list, or do you want to embarrass yourself as well? Do you know what an RFA is, and why it's triggered?

 

[jaeger19]

LOL. It's not a challenge, his demand is an admission of ignorance. Why would I respond to such a request. See post #84.

Care to comment on the link to the hundreds of regulations shown on the RFA list, or do you want to embarrass yourself as well? Do you know what an RFA is, and why it's triggered?

Too funny. I ask for one specific example of a new regulation law under Obama.. one example and its specific effect on business and you got nothing.

A "tidal wave of new regulations" and yet you can't even seem to come up with one. (while I can already think of a couple).

For some reason.. I think someone other than I should be embarrassed.:2razz:

 

[ocean515]

Too funny. I ask for one specific example of a new regulation law under Obama.. one example and its specific effect on business and you got nothing.

A "tidal wave of new regulations" and yet you can't even seem to come up with one. (while I can already think of a couple).

For some reason.. I think someone other than I should be embarrassed.:2razz:

No, you have been thoroughly embarrassed. I've posted access to thousands, and I've even linked to a list of the number of RFA's these new regulations have prompted. I note how you've failed to comment on the RFA list, or even commented on why such an analysis is triggered.

By all means, continue if you must, you'll eventually hit bedrock, but I sense that won't stop you from digging deeper.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

LOL. It's not a challenge, his demand is an admission of ignorance. Why would I respond to such a request. See post #84.

Care to comment on the link to the hundreds of regulations shown on the RFA list, or do you want to embarrass yourself as well? Do you know what an RFA is, and why it's triggered?

I looked, and most of those "new regs" in the Feb 2013 article....are updates of old programs. Factcheck already covered this:

Romney says federal regulations quadrupled under Obama | PolitiFact

 

[jaeger19]

No, you have been thoroughly embarrassed. I've posted access to thousands, and I've even linked to a list of the number of RFA's these new regulations have prompted. I note how you've failed to comment on the RFA list, or even commented on why such an analysis is triggered.

By all means, continue if you must, you'll eventually hit bedrock, but I sense that won't stop you from digging deeper.

You sir are just too funny. I have already commented on the list and pointed out that a lot of it are updates are clarifications and updates of existing regulatory law.. something that is done regularly. (oh look gimmesometruth posted that too)

You made the claim that Obama made a "tidal wave" of new regulations that negatively impacted small business... I asked for specific examples several times, and you fail to deliver even one (while I know a couple offhand).

The only one embarrassing yourself is you. Quite frankly, its kinda fun watching your prevaricate. And all you have to do is find a couple of specific examples.. which honestly isn't so hard.

So the question really is.. why aren't you willing to research a couple of specific examples? Is it because you now realize that your whole premise is bunk ?