How to befuddle a lefty

[NatMorton]

You responded to me. Not the other way around.

Specific enough?

I am referring to you replying to me in post 258. How do you think what you posted there has any bearing on a point I've made here?

 

[poweRob]

I am referring to you replying to me in post 258. How do you think what you posted there has any bearing on a point I've made here?

It bolsters my opinion. You dismissed my opinion. No?

 

[NatMorton]

It bolsters my opinion.

That's a non-answer. What point, specifically, were you attempting to make with that post? Either you can explain it clearly or you cannot. Which is it?

 

[poweRob]

That's a non-answer.

So what? I don't answer to you and your attempt to control the conversation you've failed horribly at. Which is also going down the tubes.

What point, specifically, were you attempting to make with that post?

Perhaps read it again and my initial post that you walked away from with a weak hand waving dismissal.

Either you can explain it clearly or you cannot. Which is it?

Already have. And I've contributed to our little conversation than you have with you, "Oh dear, how can anyone think like that?"

That is pretty much all you've brought. That and this sad attempt at whatever you think you are doing here.

 

[Peter]

??? The "poor" do not pay income tax.

They do pay indirect taxes that affect them massively more than they affect the rich.
The idea that the poor don't pay or are affected by tax is plainly wrong.

 

[Rawley]

They do pay indirect taxes that affect them massively more than they affect the rich.
The idea that the poor don't pay or are affected by tax is plainly wrong.

There is no such thing as "indirect" income taxes. You want to discuss other taxes, we can, but the "poor" pay zero, nada, zilch in income taxes. Perhaps it's different on your island.

 

[Peter]

There is no such thing as "indirect" income taxes. You want to discuss other taxes, we can, but the "poor" pay zero, nada, zilch in income taxes. Perhaps it's different on your island.

How else do people pay for indirect taxes other than with their income?
If you want to discuss taxation you have to take them all into account and taxation affects the poor and middle class massively more than the rich and now more than ever after the vast tax cuts given to the rich by Republicans.

 

[KLATTU]

But according the resident conservatives here- nothing wrong with that at all. Those people (the 330k) no doubt just work harder than the other 165MM and have accumulated that wealth without any unfair benefit being conveyed upon them by our "system."

The second half is mostly accurate.

The first half is more complicated.
Capitalism can be summed up in an old adage . Build a better moustrap and the world will beat a path to your door.
Except for mousetrap you can substitute.:...computer, operating system, online shopping platform,electric car,phone,low cost retail outlet,search engine,computer chip, ways to connect on the internet( social media),digital wallet (pay pal).,reality tv show( Kardashians) .etc. etc...I'm sure Bezos does not put in the physical effort of a coal miner or lettuce farmer but that's not what a capitalist system rewards. It's about providing a good or service people value.

 

[Rawley]

How else do people pay for indirect taxes other than with their income?

My mistake. I thought you were serious. Carry On.

 

[Peter]

My mistake. I thought you were serious. Carry On.

Ok then, enlighten me.
How do I pay for my taxes other than with my income?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Let’s put their tax burden back at the percentages that it was prior to the Reagan years.

That would be a very big mistake

We don’t even have to go all the way back to the tax rates of the 50’s, since the ultra wealthy never paid that 90% rate anyway - but no one honest can deny that the tax rate paid by the top % of Americans is too low comparatively to the rest of American tax payers.

Thats where librul voters have been played by congress critters in both parties. They raise the taxes but make sure to leave loopholes that the wealthy take advantage of to avoid most of those taxes while at the same time gloating to the librul masses that they are socking it to the rich.

 

[Rawley]

Ok then, enlighten me.
How do I pay for my taxes other than with my income?

By giving blowjobs in lieu of cash?

 

[Peter]

By giving blowjobs in lieu of cash?

So, you have no actual answer to how people pay for indirect taxes other than with their income.

 

[vanceen]

Ok then, enlighten me.
How do I pay for my taxes other than with my income?

The term "income tax" is normally understood to mean "a tax on income", i.e. a percentage of money that is received is paid to the government as tax. So the fact that any tax is paid out of income doesn't make it an income tax.

In the US, about 50% of people don't pay net income tax. I say "net" because a fairly large number technically owe tax but the tax is offset with credits, to the effect that the net tax is zero or negative.

I think what you may mean is that the poor do indeed pay sales tax in states that have them (like your VAT, but usually much lower). Also, if they are employed, they and their employers will both pay about 7.5% of what the employee is paid, going into Social Security.

 

[Rawley]

So, you have no actual answer to how people pay for indirect taxes other than with their income.

I gave you the answer to your utterly ridiculous assertion. You don't want to pay the SALES tax on the new underwear you are buying, you can give the shop owner a blow job in the back room of the store. None of your income goes to pay that tax

 

[Peter]

I gave you the answer to your utterly ridiculous assertion. You don't want to pay the SALES tax on the new underwear you are buying, you can give the shop owner a blow job in the back room of the store. None of your income goes to pay that tax

So, again no actual answer.

 

[Rawley]

So, again no actual answer.

Have a blessed day

 

[Peter]

The term "income tax" is normally understood to mean "a tax on income", i.e. a percentage of money that is received is paid to the government as tax. So the fact that any tax is paid out of income doesn't make it an income tax.

In the US, about 50% of people don't pay net income tax. I say "net" because a fairly large number technically owe tax but the tax is offset with credits, to the effect that the net tax is zero or negative.

I think what you may mean is that the poor do indeed pay sales tax in states that have them (like your VAT, but usually much lower). Also, if they are employed, they and their employers will both pay about 7.5% of what the employee is paid, going into Social Security.

If conservatives want to discus tax and say the poor don't pay they need to consider every tax that people pay.

 

[post]

The second half is mostly accurate.

The first half is more complicated.
Capitalism can be summed up in an old adage . Build a better moustrap and the world will beat a path to your door.
Except for mousetrap you can substitute.:...computer, operating system, online shopping platform,electric car,phone,low cost retail outlet,search engine,computer chip, ways to connect on the internet( social media),digital wallet (pay pal).,reality tv show( Kardashians) .etc. etc...I'm sure Bezos does not put in the physical effort of a coal miner or lettuce farmer but that's not what a capitalist system rewards. It's about providing a good or service people value.

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[NatMorton]

So what? I don't answer to you and your attempt to control the conversation you've failed horribly at. Which is also going down the tubes.


Perhaps read it again and my initial post that you walked away from with a weak hand waving dismissal.

Already have. And I've contributed to our little conversation than you have with you, "Oh dear, how can anyone think like that?"

That is pretty much all you've brought. That and this sad attempt at whatever you think you are doing here.

You can’t even explain your point, though I can’t say I’m surprised.

Next time, organize your thoughts better and you won’t have to make such clumsy retreat.

 

[poweRob]

You can’t even explain your point, though I can’t say I’m surprised.

Next time, organize your thoughts better and you won’t have to make such clumsy retreat.

*Protip, adding copious amounts of condescension to your content-less posts don't flip them from a fail to a win.

 

[post]

But according the resident conservatives here- nothing wrong with that at all. Those people (the 330k) no doubt just work harder than the other 165MM and have accumulated that wealth without any unfair benefit being conveyed upon them by our "system."

The second half is mostly accurate.

The first half is more complicated.
Capitalism can be summed up in an old adage . Build a better moustrap and the world will beat a path to your door.
Except for mousetrap you can substitute.:...computer, operating system, online shopping platform,electric car,phone,low cost retail outlet,search engine,computer chip, ways to connect on the internet( social media),digital wallet (pay pal).,reality tv show( Kardashians) .etc. etc...I'm sure Bezos does not put in the physical effort of a coal miner or lettuce farmer but that's not what a capitalist system rewards. It's about providing a good or service people value.

Wow! Against all odds, you cheer on plutocracy, believe that it is not smoke and mirrors but actually is what it has invested so greatly in pretending to be.





https://archive.is/DwXi1 Or...

http://washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/04/29/truth-social-wilkerson-starbucks/

He blew the whistle on Trump’s Truth Social. Now he works at Starbucks.​

The former high-ranking executive of Trump’s media company says he’s shared 150,000 internal documents with federal investigators. Many of his new strip-mall coworkers have no idea who he is.​

By Drew Harwell
April 29, 2023

Will Wilkerson, a former executive for Trump Media and Technology Group, outside a Harris Teeter in North Carolina where he trains baristas at Starbucks. (Matt Ramey for The Washington Post)

"SOMEWHERE IN NORTH CAROLINA — About six months ago, Will Wilkerson was the executive vice president of operations for former president Donald Trump’s media business, a co-founder of Trump’s Truth Social website and a holder of stock options that might have one day made him a millionaire.

Today, he is a certified barista trainer at a Starbucks inside a Harris Teeter grocery store, where he works 5:30 a.m. shifts in a green apron and slip-resistant shoes, making Frappuccinos for $16 an hour.

“It’s an honest day’s work,” he says, sitting near the flower kiosk of the supermarket in a North Carolina suburb, which he asked not be named due to fears of harassment. “I love what I do.”

Wilkerson, 38, has become one of the biggest threats to the Trump company’s future: a federally protected whistleblower who, his attorneys say, has provided 150,000 emails, contracts and other internal documents to the Securities and Exchange Commission and investigators in Florida and New York..."

 

[NatMorton]

*Protip, adding copious amounts of condescension to your content-less posts don't flip them from a fail to a win.

You’re in no position to give advice to anyone here on how best to post.

Have a nice day.

 

[poweRob]

You’re in no position to give advice to anyone here on how best to post.

Have a nice day.

That's rich coming from you who posts nothing while demanding answers from others. Best you heed the advice.

 

[Buckeyes85]

The second half is mostly accurate.

The first half is more complicated.
Capitalism can be summed up in an old adage . Build a better moustrap and the world will beat a path to your door.
Except for mousetrap you can substitute.:...computer, operating system, online shopping platform,electric car,phone,low cost retail outlet,search engine,computer chip, ways to connect on the internet( social media),digital wallet (pay pal).,reality tv show( Kardashians) .etc. etc...I'm sure Bezos does not put in the physical effort of a coal miner or lettuce farmer but that's not what a capitalist system rewards. It's about providing a good or service people value.

You have a point to make here? I'm missing it.