How to ban guns without firing a single shot!

[jaeger19]

They were never going to vote for universal healthcare in the first place.

Have you voted for progressive candidates recently?

Yes. I voted for Biden and then Harris

Listen to yourself. Your argument is what? The best way to get a supporter of universal healthcare elected is to call 40 to50% of Americans “ murder toy cultists “ and threaten to take away their property . ????

Face it. You aren’t even willing to concede the fact that universal healthcare, social safety nets and improved access to education.
are far more likely to reduce violence including mass shootings than “ universal background checks” or ban on assault weapons .
And you won’t acknowledge the fact that politically there is FAR and away more support for those proposals ( universal healthcare, social safety nets and education ) than a gun ban.

Tell us all, when you watch republicans and independents lambast the republicans they voted for,,
Is it over cuts to social programs like Medicaid?
Is it over cuts to education?

Or is it over republicans not supporting gun control?

Hmmm.

Think objectively for once.

 

[Deuce]

Yes. I voted for Biden and then Harris

Listen to yourself. Your argument is what? The best way to get a supporter of universal healthcare elected is to call 40 to50% of Americans “ murder you cultists “ and threaten to take away their property . ????

If you're just going to make shit up I never said, then there's nothing left to talk about.

 

[jaeger19]

If you're just going to make shit up I never said, then there's nothing left to talk about.

Oh I am sorry “ murder toy enthusiasts”.
So
Yes. I voted for Biden and then Harris

Listen to yourself. Your argument is what? The best way to get a supporter of universal healthcare elected is to call 40 to50% of Americans “ murder toy enthusiasts “ and threaten to take away their property . ????

Face it. You aren’t even willing to concede the fact that universal healthcare, social safety nets and improved access to education.
are far more likely to reduce violence including mass shootings than “ universal background checks” or ban on assault weapons .
And you won’t acknowledge the fact that politically there is FAR and away more support for those proposals ( universal healthcare, social safety nets and education ) than a gun ban.

Tell us all, when you watch republicans and independents lambast the republicans they voted for,,
Is it over cuts to social programs like Medicaid?
Is it over cuts to education?

Or is it over republicans not supporting gun control?

Hmmm.

 

[Deuce]

Listen to yourself. Your argument is what? The best way to get a supporter of universal healthcare elected is to call 40 to50% of Americans “ murder toy enthusiasts “ and threaten to take away their property . ????

This is the shit I never said. You doubled down. We're done.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Everyone can buy them. You aren’t able to ban them, because the constitution doesn’t permit you to.

Wrong thread! This is what you were looking for.

Thread 'English 101 For Gun Advocates.'

Aug 21, 2024

I wrote a series of posts a long time ago for another site, hoping to get serious posters to comment on the facts here included. This is the first in the series. I would like to try it on this one.

The SCOTUS Heller decision is the Law of the Land. However, it uses linguistic and historical arguments that have been rebutted by the most prominent Linguists and Historians in the country. This particular post is purely about the linguistic STRUCTURE of the 2nd A. Scalia got those arguments wrong. And here is why

The first part (before the 2nd comma) of the 2nd A is called in...

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[Feynman Lives!]

No there is not.

Then we need to get more. ALL laws in existence rely on the presumption that they will be enforced. if they're not, then somebody is not doing their job. But incompetence by law enforcement is NEVER an excuse to NOT pass a law.

wtf? You know what a gun show is right?

I know what it WON'T be, once my proposals pass: it WON'T be a place where you can legally buy assault weapons, high capacity magazines and (so-called) "cop-killer" bullets.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Face it. You aren’t even willing to concede the fact that universal healthcare, social safety nets and improved access to education.
are far more likely to reduce violence including mass shootings than “ universal background checks” or ban on assault weapons .

They probably are! Because if we improve those, less people will feel the need to go out and buy assault weapons. But on another forum a poster stated as the reason why he NEEDED assault weapons was to shoot protesters demanding those things.

So a combination of BOTH is what the country needs.

 

[jaeger19]

This is the shit I never said. You doubled down. We're done.

Yeah it is. You called gun owners “ murder toy enthusiasts “ and you called for a ban of their property .i. E “ assault weapons”.

Did you not? By the way, you see the question marks around my posts right?

It seems to me you don’t want to acknowledge I make sense.

 

[jaeger19]

Then we need to get more. ALL laws in existence rely on the presumption that they will be enforced. if they're not, then somebody is not doing their job. But incompetence by law enforcement is NEVER an excuse to NOT pass a law.

Actually yes it is . The fact that a law is unenforceable or will be so costly to enforce should give anyone pause as to whether it should be passed.
Prohibition is a good example.
The abortion laws passed by states are another good example. Their unintended consequence is MORE abortions being performed. More healthcare providers that provide for fetal and mother health and maternity care fleeing those states and more mothers dying for lack of medical care.

I know what it WON'T be, once my proposals pass: it WON'T be a place where you can legally buy assault weapons, high capacity magazines and (so-called) "cop-killer" bullets.

Sure it will be. We already had a ban on high capacity magazines and “ assault weapons”.
Private citizens bought up what they could pre ban , then made extra cash selling them at gun shows .
Hell it wouldn’t surprise me if some people sold them openly , daring to get arrested so that they could appeal all the way to the Supreme Court.

 

[jaeger19]

They probably are! Because if we improve those, less people will feel the need to go out and buy assault weapons. But on another forum a poster stated as the reason why he NEEDED assault weapons was to shoot protesters demanding those things.

So a combination of BOTH is what the country needs.

No. Face it , when it comes to violent crime, criminals don’t use “ assault weapons” They compromise a tiny amount of crime.

If we improve those above we will reduce violence by any means .

Trying to do BOTH will fail miserably because gun control as it does now will become the battle and it’s doomed to fail anyway as you can’t enforce your proposals anyway. And if you did manage? Those cost would divert resources from things like education.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Actually yes it is . The fact that a law is unenforceable...

The laws I'm proposing are enforceable. In the black market, just move a few of the ICE ages that are now sending hard working immigrants to Alligator Auschwitz and random countries to a few of the places where there might be a black market and... voila! And in the legal market, rutinary inspections like we do in restaurants is good enough.

BTW, I don't think you are telling the truth when you say that there are no undercover agents in the black market for things like drugs and child pornography. But, if so, what kind of idiots do we have in law enforcement that haven't thought of something this simple!

All of the above are enforceable in the SAME way in the black market. However, enforcing them in the legal market is the biggest step forward. That alone makes it all worth the while.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

No. Face it , when it comes to violent crime, criminals don’t use “ assault weapons”

Great! Then we'll have no problem keeping violent criminals away from assault weapons. After all, they don't use them!

They compromise a tiny amount of crime.

yeah.... like kindergarten and school level "tiny".

That's what we need to STOP! And if criminals don't use them.... then.... nul obstat!

Those are the first priority. But they will also stop DOPES like the guy I was telling you about who said he needed it to shoot at protesters who stepped on his lawn....

 

[RF667799]

The laws I'm proposing are enforceable. In the black market, just move a few of the ICE ages that are now sending hard working immigrants to Alligator Auschwitz and random countries to a few of the places where there might be a black market and... voila! And in the legal market, rutinary inspections like we do in restaurants is good enough.

BTW, I don't think you are telling the truth when you say that there are no undercover agents in the black market for things like drugs and child pornography. But, if so, what kind of idiots do we have in law enforcement that haven't thought of something this simple!

I don't believe you're telling the truth when you say he said that. Got receipts?

All of the above are enforceable in the SAME way in the black market. However, enforcing them in the legal market is the biggest step forward. That alone makes it all worth the while.

 

[jaeger19]

The laws I'm proposing are enforceable. In the black market, just move a few of the ICE ages that are now sending hard working immigrants to Alligator Auschwitz and random countries to a few of the places where there might be a black market and... voila! And in the legal market, rutinary inspections like we do in restaurants is good enough.

Lmao. You have no idea what the” black market is”. It isn’t a place. You don’t “ send agents there”
It’s a person at work talking about shooting an ar 15 and his co worker saying “ gee I wish I could buy one” and the co worker saying “ I know my dad is looking to get rid of his.”

It’s a guy that has bought a number of guns from Joe who has been selling private guns at the local gun show asking joe “ how would I get my hands on some high capacity mags for my Glock . And joe says “ how many”?
And joe puts them in a bag under the counter and then takes money and tells tge guy to come bag later when he hands him the bag.
The black market is millions of these private transactions that are occuring NOW but will simply be illegal but still occurring.

BTW, I don't think you are telling the truth when you say that there are no undercover agents in the black market for things like drugs and child pornography.

Sure there are. But they are looking for big players , the producers of child porn, the major drug dealers , not focused on private sales between say coworkers.

But, if so, what kind of idiots do we have in law enforcement that haven't thought of something this simple!

See above.

All of the above are enforceable in the SAME way in the black market. However, enforcing them in the legal market is the biggest step forward. That alone makes it all worth the while.

No. It makes it unenforceable and a waste of resources since as shown it will do absolutely nothing to reduce access to mass shooters.

 

[jaeger19]

Great! Then we'll have no problem keeping violent criminals away from assault weapons. After all, they don't use them!

So then why do you want to ban there sale? Hmmm. If you are willing to accede to the fact that “ assault weapons” are used in a tiny fraction of violent crimes then why do you want to ban their sale ??. Hmmm.

yeah.... like kindergarten and school level "tiny".

Yes . True.
Studies consistently show that handguns are the firearm type most frequently used in adolescent school shootings.

Most guns used in school shootings come from family members

Handguns — not assault rifles — are the most commonly used weapons in school shootings perpetrated by adolescents in the United States, according to a study published in JAMA Pediatrics.

www.healio.com

That's what we need to STOP! And if criminals don't use them.... then.... nul obstat!

See above. Your proposals don’t even address whats most used. Lmao.

Those are the first priority. But they will also stop DOPES like the guy I was telling you about who said he needed it to shoot at protesters who stepped on his lawn....

No it won’t. It in no way will stop that fellow.

 

[rahl]

It is;

It isn’t

no they didn't.

Yes they did

 

[rahl]

Wrong thread! This is what you were looking for.

Thread 'English 101 For Gun Advocates.'

Aug 21, 2024

I wrote a series of posts a long time ago for another site, hoping to get serious posters to comment on the facts here included. This is the first in the series. I would like to try it on this one.

The SCOTUS Heller decision is the Law of the Land. However, it uses linguistic and historical arguments that have been rebutted by the most prominent Linguists and Historians in the country. This particular post is purely about the linguistic STRUCTURE of the 2nd A. Scalia got those arguments wrong. And here is why

The first part (before the 2nd comma) of the 2nd A is called in...

• Feynman Lives!
• Replies: 339
• Forum: Guns and Gun Control

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I quoted you and directly refuted your statement IN THIS THREAD

It’s so funny when you are backed into a corner like this

 

[rahl]

Then we need to get more. ALL laws in existence rely on the presumption that they will be enforced. if they're not, then somebody is not doing their job. But incompetence by law enforcement is NEVER an excuse to NOT pass a law.

You can’t pass anymore laws that infringe then2nd amendment. You’ve been shown they repeatedly.

I know what it WON'T be, once my proposals pass:

None of your proposals will pass. The constitution doesn’t allow them to.

it WON'T be a place where you can legally buy assault weapons, high capacity magazines and (so-called) "cop-killer" bullets.

You can’t ban any of them. The Supreme Court has already told you that. More than once.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Lmao. You have no idea what the” black market is”. It isn’t a place.

What the HELL are you talking about? Of course it's not a physical "market". It's a PRACTICE.... the ACT of exchanging illegal objects or services. What the HELL does that have to do with what I wrote?

Look.. If a potential school shooter tries to buy high capacity magazines and assault weapons in the black market, there is a likelihood that they can be arrested. While they can buy them in a local gun shop, it's not.

In any case, the RELEVANT thing is that there will be cases in which a mass shooter won't bother. They'll just buy legal guns and legal magazines. And, for that reason, the number of dead will be less and lives will be saved.

You just keep looking for excuse after excuses because you can't think of any ARGUMENTS.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

I quoted you and directly refuted your statement IN THIS THREAD

If you did (or convinced yourself that you did), I didn't see it and you wasted your time because it's off-topic here.

As soon as I see any mention of the 2nd A, I stop reading and just provide the PROPER link where that topic is being discussed. The relevance of the 2nd A is addressed adequately and fully in the OP, and I have nothing to add that would be relevant to THIS thread.

 

[RF667799]

What the HELL are you talking about? Of course it's not a physical "market". It's a PRACTICE.... the ACT of exchanging illegal objects or services. What the HELL does that have to do with what I wrote?

Look.. If a potential school shooter tries to buy high capacity magazines and assault weapons in the black market, there is a likelihood that they can be arrested. While they can buy them in a local gun shop, it's not.

The number of school shooters being so infinitesimally small, the likelihood of intercepting one in this way is also that small. Of course, you don't care about that as much as you care about stripping peaceful people of their rights and civil liberties.

In any case, the RELEVANT thing is that there will be cases in which a mass shooter won't bother. They'll just buy legal guns and legal magazines. And, for that reason, the number of dead will be less and lives will be saved.

What? Non-sequitur. What is the connection?

You just keep looking for excuse after excuses because you can't think of any ARGUMENTS.

How many thousands of years before your ban on buying magazines will show a significant effect?

 

[RF667799]

If you did (or convinced yourself that you did), I didn't see it and you wasted your time because it's off-topic here.

As soon as I see any mention of the 2nd A, I stop reading and just provide the PROPER link where that topic is being discussed. The relevance of the 2nd A is addressed adequately and fully in the OP, and I have nothing to add that would be relevant to THIS thread.

You put it in the OP, but also claim it is "off-topic"?

 

[Feynman Lives!]

The number of school shooters being so infinitesimally small...

Not as small as in ALL the developed nations in the world that ban the sale of assault weapons... COMBINED!

 

[RF667799]

Not as small as in ALL the developed nations in the world that ban the sale of assault weapons... COMBINED!

Dishonest edit to avoid refutation of OP.
Post rejected on that basis.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Dishonest edit to avoid refutation of OP.
Post rejected on that basis.

Were you still under the impression that I take your posts seriously? Sorry but... I don't. I barely even read them. And only respond to them when I can think of something "witty" to say.