How to ban guns without firing a single shot!

[CLAX1911]

So you want to call them "murder weapons".

Only when they're used for murder otherwise they're not.

Fine with me. Not sure what difference that makes..

You want to save people are guilty of murder for owning them.

.. but... whatever blows your mind....

You're saying the weapon commits the assault I'm saying the person commits the assault so the only thing that can be an assault weapon it is a weapon used to assault somebody.

You haven't defined your terms because you're incompetent.

You're just running your mouth for the sake of hearing your own gas.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

How would you enforce this? And don’t say “pass laws to make it illegal”

Same way you enforce ANY law. You break the law, you go to jail. You're a gun shop and you sell assault weapons, you don't have a gun shop anymore. You sell a gun used in a mass shooting, you go to jail.

Weird question.

. What specific enforcement mechanism will stop criminals from selling illegal items to other criminals?

How do you stop criminals from breaking ANY law? I'd love to know so maybe we can apply it to Trump.

Answer is you do or you don't. If you do.... good for you! If you don't, then they either kill somebody, or they don't. If they don't use them to kill anybody.... all is rosy!. If they do, people die!

This is obvious for ANY law intended to save lives. Which should be clear. So it's still a strange question.... It's as if you believed that we shouldn't enact ANY law, because people will break it.

 

[CLAX1911]

Same way you enforce ANY law. You break the law, you go to jail.

This is a a cop out you don't enforce any other law the same as any other law. Enforcing a law against child abuse is not the same as enforcing a law against running a stop sign. They have different prescribed enforcements.

So when someone asks you how to enforce this law you should be willing to explain it if you had the slightest bit of honesty

You're a gun shop and you sell assault weapons,

You can't sell assault weapons you have to assault somebody with the weapon for it to be an assault weapon.

you don't have a gun shop anymore.

You don't have a gun shop if you sell a salt weapons you have a really weird collector hobby.

You sell a gun used in a mass shooting, you go to jail.

On what grounds?

Weird question.

So essentially the question is do we have a fifth amendment right 6th amendment rights and 7th amendment rights and your answer is no so you don't just want to repeal the second amendment you want to repeal the Constitution completely.

How do you stop criminals from breaking ANY law?

That depends on the law. If you want to stop people from stealing cars if you want to enforce that law you go where cars are being stolen. You don't go where cars are being stolen to enforce laws against espionage.

I'd love to know so maybe we can apply it to Trump.

Artistic screeching about Trump is just the icing on this imbecile cake.

Answer is you do or you don't. If you do.... good for you! If you don't, then they either kill somebody, or they don't. If they don't use them to kill anybody.... all is rosy!. If they do, people die!

That's the same reality with many objects that you encounter in a daily life.

This is obvious for ANY law intended to save lives.

So you don't even understand what laws are. They're just words on paper in a building somewhere they can't save anyone's life. It's the individual enforcement of them and it's applied specifically to specific laws that saves lives.

Which should be clear. So it's still a strange question....

Only if you're incompetent.

It's as if you believed that we shouldn't enact ANY law, because people will break it.

No we shouldn't act any law that people will break with absolutely no consequences.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Great. Explain how you plan to “ enforce” this law.
Let’s say I sell a high capacity magazines to a person who is a mass shooter
How do you plan to prove I sold it to him

Because your wife saw you leave the house with the high capacity magazine you had stored in a drawer, and then saw you come back with a $20 bill you didn't have before.

Busted!

And remember: dumb questions ALWAYS deserve dumb answers.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

That doesn't make sense. It's like you're saying that since "mass shootings" are illegal, then shooting animals or attackers should be as well.

Use a kitchen knife! You guys say it's just as effective!

 

[jaeger19]

Because your wife saw you leave the house with the high capacity magazine you had stored in a drawer, and then saw you come back with a $20 bill you didn't have before.

I’m 1. Explain how my wife knows I went out with a high capacity magazine since the look the same as a 10rd magazine .
2. Explain how she is going to know who I sold it too
3. Explain why she is going to testify against me when she doesn’t by law have to and she is going to lose millions in income by doing so.

Busted!

And remember: dumb questions ALWAYS deserve dumb answers.

Well . My question on how it’s going to be enforced isn’t stupid.
But your answer was!!! Lmao.

 

[jaeger19]

Use a kitchen knife! You guys say it's just as effective!

Gun banners gotta lie!!!
lol.

 

[RF667799]

Use a kitchen knife! You guys say it's just as effective!

Non-responsive post rejected on that basis.

 

[Spock]

Spock has never seen marijuana dispensaries on every block imeven though marijuana is illegal federally.

Whatever the states have done with marijuana has nothing to due with the Supremacy Clause. The federal government has chosen not to enforce the taxation violation posed by marijuana grown within a state.

Clearly you were trapped by the inconsistency of your argument.

Spock: “ we need to fear the death and mayhem caused by firearms.
Spock” ha , there is no need for a gun to protect yourself BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR”.

We all see your intellectual disconnect.

The problem of firearm violence is caused by too many firearms. @jaeger19 would have us believe that more firearms are needed to solve the firearm crisis. THAT is the inconsistency. We must need more polio infections to solve a polio epidemic, by his reasoning.
More alcoholism to solve drunk driving; more domestic violence to solve violence against partners; more starvation to solve hunger.

 

[rahl]

No kidding! And what they did to those kids in Uvalde does not count as "assault", right?

You still can’t ban them. The constitution explicitly precludes you from doing so.

 

[rahl]

Clearly @jaeger19 has been trapped by the inconsistency of his arguments.

 

[RF667799]

Whatever the states have done with marijuana has nothing to due with the Supremacy Clause. The federal government has chosen not to enforce the taxation violation posed by marijuana grown within a state.

The problem of firearm violence is caused by too many firearms. @jaeger19 would have us believe that more firearms are needed to solve the firearm crisis. THAT is the inconsistency. We must need more polio infections to solve a polio epidemic, by his reasoning.
More alcoholism to solve drunk driving; more domestic violence to solve violence against partners; more starvation to solve hunger.

How many firearms constitutes the "too many"?

If all you have are vague platitudes, your argument can be rejected on that basis.

Not to mention the complete lie contained in it.

 

[jaeger19]

Whatever the states have done with marijuana has nothing to due with the Supremacy Clause. The federal government has chosen not to enforce the taxation violation posed by marijuana grown within a state.

The states are openly defying the federal government . Despite the supremacy clause .
The federal government has declared it illegal to grow, or sell.
And the Supreme Court has backed that up in raich v Gonzalez .
Yet the states openly defying it.
And that’s Exactly would happen with federal gun control laws that banned the sale of assault weapons etc.

The problem of firearm violence is caused by too many firearms

What problem? You just said you had NOTHING TO FEAR.

. @jaeger19 would have us believe that more firearms are needed to solve the firearm crisis.

Again what “ crisis?”
You just said there was NOTHING TO FEAR.
That you felt you go go out in the community and were perfectly safe .
That’s your disconnect

THAT is the inconsistency. We must need more polio infections to solve a polio epidemic, by his reasoning.
More alcoholism to solve drunk driving; more domestic violence to solve violence against partners; more starvation to solve hunger.

Gun banners gotta lie.
No amount of you lying about my positions will distract from your intellectual disconnect.

But this is funny.

“ Jaeger19 would have us believe that more firearms are needed to solve the firearm crisis”

Silly lying gun banners . Jaeger19 has clearly indicated and proven that there is no such thing as a “ firearm crisis” in the us.
Much less said the “ crisis needs to be solved by more guns “.
Lmao
Gun banners gotta lie.

 

[Spock]

How many firearms constitutes the "too many"?

If all you have are vague platitudes, your argument can be rejected on that basis.

Not to mention the complete lie contained in it.

100,000 dead and injured yearly is too many.

 

[RF667799]

100,000 dead and injured yearly is too many.

So how many is "just right" in this Goldilocks tale you're trying to weave?

 

[Spock]

The states are openly defying the federal government . Despite the supremacy clause .
The federal government has declared it illegal to grow, or sell.
And the Supreme Court has backed that up in raich v Gonzalez .
Yet the states openly defying it.
And that’s Exactly would happen with federal gun control laws that banned the sale of assault weapons etc.

Your fabricated argument appears to be that because the DEA chooses not to enforce marijuana taxation violation, federal law does not apply to states. You have reached a very deep level of intellectual desperation.

What problem? You just said you had NOTHING TO FEAR.

Again what “ crisis?”
You just said there was NOTHING TO FEAR.

The only fear is among those who think that firearms will solve firearm violence.

That you felt you go go out in the community and were perfectly safe .
That’s your disconnect

Gun banners gotta lie.
No amount of you lying about my positions will distract from your intellectual disconnect.

But this is funny.

“ Jaeger19 would have us believe that more firearms are needed to solve the firearm crisis”

You promote firearms to defend against the firearm proliferation that you gun fanatics produced.

Silly lying gun banners . Jaeger19 has clearly indicated and proven that there is no such thing as a “ firearm crisis” in the us.

100,000 dead and injured prove you wrong.

Much less said the “ crisis needs to be solved by more guns “.
Lmao
Gun banners gotta lie.

Now you are going to argue that firearms are unrelated to firearm violence again?
Firearm access is the entire reason we have a firearm violence problem in America.

 

[jaeger19]

Your fabricated argument appears to be that because the DEA chooses not to enforce marijuana taxation violation, federal law does not apply to states. You have reached a very deep level of intellectual desperation.

Gun banners gotta lie.
You can keep making up positions for me but it’s not going to distract from the facts I’ve laid out.

The only fear is among those who think that firearms will solve firearm violence.

Who has said that? Certainly not me. Firearm violence is a meaningless term .

You promote firearms to defend against the firearm proliferation that you gun fanatics produced.

Not at all. Yet another gun banner lie in a long lists of lies. Why can’t you be honest?

100,000 dead and injured prove you wrong.

Prove me wrong about what? You are the one that said I have nothing to be afraid of.
Which is it? Should I be afraid tgat there are all these people with guns killing and injuring 100000 people ?
If so. It makes sense to protect myself and as you’ve pointed out tge best way is with a firearm.
If I shouldn’t be afraid? Then what’s your issue?

Now you are going to argue that firearms are unrelated to firearm violence again?

I have never argued that
Gun banners gotta lie.
I’ve argued successfully that firearm violence is a meaningless statistic

Firearm access is the entire reason we have a firearm violence problem in America.

What problem? According to you we have nothing to fear.

So which is it? We should fear people facing guns trying to kill us
Which in that case we would be justified in protecting ourselves with a firearm
Or as you’ve said we have nothing to frear?

Which is it??

 

[Spock]

So how many is "just right" in this Goldilocks tale you're trying to weave?

Start with comparable countries and get back with your own opinion.

 

[Spock]

Gun banners gotta lie.
You can keep making up positions for me but it’s not going to distract from the facts I’ve laid out.

Who has said that? Certainly not me. Firearm violence is a meaningless term .

Not at all. Yet another gun banner lie in a long lists of lies. Why can’t you be honest?

Prove me wrong about what? You are the one that said I have nothing to be afraid of.
Which is it? Should I be afraid tgat there are all these people with guns killing and injuring 100000 people ?
If so. It makes sense to protect myself and as you’ve pointed out tge best way is with a firearm.
If I shouldn’t be afraid? Then what’s your issue?

I have never argued that
Gun banners gotta lie.
I’ve argued successfully that firearm violence is a meaningless statistic

What problem? According to you we have nothing to fear.

So which is it? We should fear people facing guns trying to kill us
Which in that case we would be justified in protecting ourselves with a firearm
Or as you’ve said we have nothing to frear?

Which is it??

Fear seems to be central to your rambling and chaotic theme.
Those who carry firearms for self-defense fear an assault by those who have benefitted from the proliferation of firearms.
It is a vicious cycle of gun access promoting more firearm violence that promotes more firearms.

 

[Feynman Lives!]

I’m 1. Explain how my wife knows I went out with a high capacity magazine since the look the same as a 10rd magazine .

Because she's smarter than you and unlike you, would prefer not to go to prison as an accessory to a mass shooting for a measly 20 bucks. Like you would. And also unlike you, she is a moral human being who would be horrified to be involved in the murder of human beings... maybe even children. You know... like normal people.

Don't underestimate your wife!

Fun as this nonsense is, I don't think I'll waste any more time on it. Thanks for the laugh, though...

 

[Feynman Lives!]

Gun banners gotta lie!!!
lol.

What???? You're telling me there are things you can do with an assault weapon that you can't do with a... knife, a rope, an iron bar, a car,.... or something like that?

Oh.... the shock!

 

[Feynman Lives!]

You still can’t ban them. The constitution explicitly precludes you from doing so.

If you're talking about something related to the Heller legislation's misuse of the 2nd A, that's a different topic. BTW, my FAVORITE topic in the whole world... by far. But if you want to discuss that, start here.

In any case, the Heller legislation has not impeded any of my proposals to be adopted at a state level by many states. But, if it does, it can be un-passed just like it was passed. Maybe not today. But one day we will once again have a majority of justices who rule based on EXISTING law, and will not be that obsessed with legislating themselves.

Off-topic here, though. Feel free to comment where it IS the topic. Or I can move your response there because, as I said, it's very much my favorite topic.

 

[jaeger19]

Fear seems to be central to your rambling and chaotic theme.

Only because you articulate this fear you have of something you call “ the gun violence crisis “.

Those who carry firearms for self-defense fear an assault by those who have benefitted from the proliferation of firearms.

Well so what? According to you they have nothing to fear , nor do you so what’s the big deal?

It is a vicious cycle of gun access promoting more firearm violence that promotes more firearms.

Except studies show that people that carry for self protection . I . E concealed weapons holders , are more law abiding than the general public.

You can see that you are the one that truly has the irrational fear.
You fear everyone that has a firearm is a criminal.
How do we know it’s irrational? Because despite your claim there is a “vicious cycle of violence” causing a crisis”?
You feel perfectly safe going out and about in the us.

You cannot see your intellectual disconnect . But we all do.

 

[jaeger19]

Because she's smarter than you and unlike you, would prefer not to go to prison as an accessory to a mass shooting for a measly 20 bucks.

She cannot go to jail as an accessory for not testifying.
Plus she would have no knowledge if I sold it and who I sold it to nor if it was a high capacity magazine. . Come now silly.

Like you would. And also unlike you, she is a moral human being who would be horrified to be involved in the murder of human beings... maybe even children. You know... like normal people.

Yeah no. Again you haven’t answered how she would know if I sold it.
If it was a high capacity magazine
And who I sold it too.
Your scenario is a fantasy.

Don't underestimate your wife!

I know my wife’s capabilities when it comes to firearms certainly more than you do.
She has no idea what magazines or even firearms I have. She like you is completely ignorant about firearms.

Fun as this nonsense is, I don't think I'll waste any more time on it. Thanks for the laugh, though...

You crack yourself up and us too. You do realize that YOU were the one that came up with the absurd scenario that the way you would enforce your magazine ban is to rely on wives informing on their husbands right????.


BWAAAHHH

 

[jaeger19]

What???? You're telling me there are things you can do with an assault weapon that you can't do with a... knife, a rope, an iron bar, a car,.... or something like that?

Oh.... the shock!

Well let’s start with defining an assault weapon.
Explain in detail exactly what one is.