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How to ban guns without firing a single shot! (1 Viewer)

I definitely agree with the OP's sentiment of trying to make mass shootings harder. I also don't recall there being much fuss about a voluntary gun buyback program run by the government -- in fact, I believe both sides have lauded the idea and probably could be done tomorrow if that was the only action item in a bill (which is probably wouldn't be).

I do want to hone in on the "irrelevant arguments" section. While the section is definitely irrelevant for the regulation of firearms, it is relevant for the larger societal/psychological status of the nation. For example, the argument that "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" is a truism, since a person (generally speaking) needs to pull the trigger. That doesn't matter if the argument is "regulation of guns" vs. "regulation of people's actions."

However, what's missed in that statement, the part that isn't thought through by those making the argument, is if we take the statement at face value, people are killing people. What's implied i that dismissive comment is how is that -still- somehow okay? Why do (usually) conservative Americans, think guns are okay since people are choosing to kill people, and not the machine? What sort of weird psychology is that? Shouldn't we also be solving for "why" there are "people choosing to kill people," and why these arguments make that somehow permissible to have guns while ignoring the loss of life.

Yes, gun control is part of the solution -- but it doesn't solve it on its own. The rest of the OP's "irrelevant" arguments are really good examples of the "Why" and "Wherefore" and the psychological element of the weird permissibility of people killing people.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
Tell that to the dead children in Uvalde.....
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He did not have an assault rifle. An assault rifle is a select fire machine gun, typically magazine fed, that can typically be fitted with bayonet and grenade launcher.

He did have a semiautomatic rifle that was fed via magazine.
 
zincwarrior said:
What in your nomenclature is that exactly.
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I normally do not bother with questions that can be easily found online. But assuming you don't know how to do a websearch, I'll help you out this time... and this time ONLY

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Please read my sig and research BEFORE posting.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
I normally do not bother with questions that can be easily found online. But assuming you don't know how to do a websearch, I'll help you out this time... and this time ONLY

Click here


Please read my sig and research BEFORE posting.
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Please cite where teflon coated bullets are legally available for purchase in the civilian market. This should be interesting.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
I normally do not bother with questions that can be easily found online. But assuming you don't know how to do a websearch, I'll help you out this time... and this time ONLY

Click here


Please read my sig and research BEFORE posting.
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If you did research you can now cite where armor piercing bullets are legal for civilian purchase in the US.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
I normally do not bother with questions that can be easily found online. But assuming you don't know how to do a websearch, I'll help you out this time... and this time ONLY

Click here


Please read my sig and research BEFORE posting.
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There are no such bullets for sale today. For one very simple reason. They don’t work. It was all advertising bullshit.

Seriously, your knowledge of this subject is only Google deep.
 
CaughtInThe said:
There is zero chance that Republicans will go for any of that. They value their product more than children's lives.
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Them having their product has nothing to do with children's lives.
 
zincwarrior said:
He did not have an assault rifle. An assault rifle is a select fire machine gun, typically magazine fed, that can typically be fitted with bayonet and grenade launcher.

He did have a semiautomatic rifle that was fed via magazine.
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An assault weapon is anything we decide to define as an assault weapon. Legislation on the matter usually simply makes a list. A long long list.

Experts will meet and decide what to include in that list. I don't care. I can only hope that, if they err, they err on the side that saves the most lives.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
There are no such bullets for sale today. For one very simple reason. They don’t work. It was all advertising bullshit.

Seriously, your knowledge of this subject is only Google deep.
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SHHH!!! Don't tell him...Lets add some more:
Feynman Lives! said:
Implement strong nationwide cash-for-guns programs focusing primarily on assault weapons.
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Are assault weapons already illegal? :cool:
  1. Ban the sale of high-capacity magazines.
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Whats a high capacity magazine?
Feynman Lives! said:
Ban ghost guns.
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Are ghost guns already illegal? :cool:
  1. Ban the sale to the public of "assault weapons". As well as parts and ammunition. Reinstate the Assault Weapon sales ban.
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Are assault weapons already illegal? :cool:

The ammunition is just ordinary varmint and deer round calibers, FYI
 
Feynman Lives! said:
An assault weapon is anything we decide to define as an assault weapon. Legislation on the matter usually simply makes a list.
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Assault weapons are a class of non crew served select fire weapon. Its a defined term already covered and illegal under law except for existing firearms from the 1980s that require intensive licensing and usually cost more than your car.

Son, you don't actually know what you are talking. This is sad, as you wish to discuss the issue, but should get knowledgeable if you want to make meaningful change.
 
zincwarrior said:
Please cite where teflon coated bullets are legally available for purchase in the civilian market. This should be interesting.
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Please read my sig. If you have a point to make YOU do your own research.

Difference is I don't think it's interesting. I wouldn't waste five seconds READING it... much less researching it for you. So don't bother sharing the results of your research.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
An assault weapon is anything we decide to define as an assault weapon. Legislation on the matter usually simply makes a list. A long long list.

Experts will meet and decide what to include in that list. I don't care. I can only hope that, if they err, they err on the side that saves the most lives.
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In that case bare hands can be assault weapons, and the experts can include that on their list.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
To be clear, I don't think banning all guns is possible in this country in any of our lifetimes. So relax. But we might be able to reduce the number of mass shootings by banning some. I also don't mean "banning" in the sense that cops are going to walk into homes and grab guns.

Be sure to read at the end of this post some silly and irrelevant arguments that some have made in the past, so you don't repeat them. But if you do, I'll just refer you to the proper "Irrelevant argument" number.

Remember: there is likely NO way to stop ALL mass shootings. But the idea here is to make them more difficult. So that there are less shootings. And when shootings are unavoidable, that less people get killed.

The whole process will take years... maybe decades. But we need to start now!
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How do you ban people who will look for some other method to kill folks?
 
Feynman Lives! said:
Please read my sig. If you have a point to make YOU do your own research.

Difference is I don't think it's interesting. So don't bother sharing the results of your research.
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You didn't actually do any research. You literally want to ban things that are already illegal. Thats a hard fail that makes you look the fool and your arguments fundamentally unserious.

"we should ban disruptors!"
"There is no such thing."
"Do you own research Todd!"

Now if you did your own research you would argue for limits on magazine capacity, or that magazines be nondetachable, etc. etc.
 
zincwarrior said:
If you did research you can now cite where armor piercing bullets are legal for civilian purchase in the US.
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Why would I do that? I could not care less! It would be illegal EVERYWHERE if federal law is enacted. And that's what's important.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
Please read my sig. If you have a point to make YOU do your own research.

Difference is I don't think it's interesting. So don't bother sharing the results of your research. I wouldn't waste five seconds READING it... much less researching it for you.
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Its pointless anyway. Every time I'm challenged on something I wrote and I provide the link, I rarely if ever get a response back or even an acknowledgement. Or worse they move on to new deflection.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Criminals will always have assault weapons, they will just get them illegally.
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By banning the sale of assault weapon, especially combined with a buy back program, they will be increasingly more and more difficult to obtain. What you will likely not see is some high school dope who can't get a girlfriend and goes to a gun shop to buy one of these guns and takes out his frustration on the whole school.

Anybody who has one will eventually be better off selling it to a museum. Which they might be able to do legally if it doesn't work. And if it does, the government will pay good money for it. Safer than using it in a bank assault.
 
zincwarrior said:
Assault weapons are a class of non crew served select fire weapon.
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Cool! If you can find a general description that fits them all, we'll put that in the law. If we can't, we'll just make a list.

Makes NO difference to any of my ponts.
 
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