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How to ban guns without firing a single shot!

Feynman Lives!

Feynman Lives!

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To be clear, I don't think banning all guns is possible in this country in any of our lifetimes. So relax. But we might be able to reduce the number of mass shootings by banning some. I also don't mean "banning" in the sense that cops are going to walk into homes and grab guns.

Be sure to read at the end of this post some silly and irrelevant arguments that some have made in the past, so you don't repeat them. But if you do, I'll just refer you to the proper "Irrelevant argument" number.

Remember: there is likely NO way to stop ALL mass shootings. But the idea here is to make them more difficult. So that there are less shootings. And when shootings are unavoidable, that less people get killed.

The whole process will take years... maybe decades. But we need to start now!

All we want to do is make mass shooting more difficult.

The following might help:
  1. Ban the sale to the public of "assault weapons". As well as parts and ammunition. Reinstate the Assault Weapon sales ban.
  2. No confiscation (except what is already in the law). But adopt a voluntary buy-back program with strong compensation, for guns and ammunition.
  3. Ban so-called "cop-killing" bullets.
  4. Ban the sale of high-capacity magazines.
  5. Ban ghost guns.
  6. Require a license to buy any firearm and ammunition.
  7. Require a "graduation process" to obtain and maintain a gun license.
  8. Mandatory buy back program for weapons acquired with a license for anybody who fails to renew their license.
  9. Implement a federal mandatory background check for all gun sales. No loopholes. And hold private sellers accountable if the gun sold without a check or to an unlicensed buyer is used in a crime.
  10. Give courts the authority to confiscate guns from people who they consider a threat to themselves and others. (Red Flag Law)
  11. Raise the age limit for buying any kind of guns to 21 (at least)
  12. Implement strong nationwide cash-for-guns programs focusing primarily on assault weapons.
  13. Repeal the PLCAA and investigate gun manufacturers and gun lobbyists' role in passing it.
  14. Require manufacturers to alter design of guns sold to public to make them as difficult to be modified as possible.
  15. Declare gun violence a preventable public health problem. Give the CDC funding an resources to study the relation between certain mental illnesses and gun violence.
  16. Repeal DoC v Heller given that the decision is based on factual historical and linguistic inaccuracies.

Feel free to skip the following absurd or irrelevant arguments
  • Irrelevant argument 1: People can print their guns: Sure... but that would be more difficult than just running down to the store. It's easy to print a gun with a kit. So selling kits must be outlawed. But many crazy people might not know HOW to print a gun without one. Some might not bother and just go jump of a bridge... or something. And then there are the bullets....
  • Irrelevant argument 2: They can kill people with .... (cars, bombs, knives, forks...): Read the sentence in "bold" at the top. It's HARDER to kill a lot of people with any of those items, than it is with a gun. Learning how to pull a trigger is easier than learning how to make a bomb without blowing yourself up in the process.
  • Irrelevant argument 3: You can't stop ALL shootings: Then we don't! That doesn't mean we can't stop ANY shootings.
  • Irrelevant argument 4: Guns don't kill people... people kill people: Bullshit!!
  • Irrelevant argument 5: But but but... the 2nd Amendment: Start here and continue through all the threads mentioned which debunk this inaccurate claime
  • Irrelevant argument 6: This xxxx [bump stock, cop killer bullets, assault rifles, ...] don't exist: MORE Bullshit! They do!
  • Irrelevant argument 7: What we need is more guns, not less (and variations like "arm teachers" and similar): There are more guns than there are people. So we have tried this. It hasn't worked! Countries have done the contrary (Australia, UK, Japan, ...etc) and it HAS worked.
  • Irrelevant argument 8: This is just a mental issue: There are as many nuts in other countries as there are in this one. And NO country has anywhere near as many shootings as we do. Over 600 every year since 2020, and almost 400 so far this year. Second place this year among developed countries: France with 6!)
 
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Feynman Lives! said:
To be clear, I don't think banning all guns is possible in this country in any of our lifetimes. So relax. But we might be able to reduce the number of mass shootings by banning some. I also don't mean "banning" in the sense that cops are going to walk into homes and grab guns.

Be sure to read at the end of this post some silly and irrelevant arguments that some have made in the past, so you don't repeat them. But if you do, I'll just refer you to the proper "Irrelevant argument" number.

Remember: there is likely NO way to stop ALL mass shootings. But the idea here is to make them more difficult. So that there are less shootings. And when shootings are unavoidable, that less people get killed.

The whole process will take years... maybe decades. But we need to start now!

All we want to do is make mass shooting more difficult.

The following might help:
  1. Ban the sale to the public of "assault weapons". As well as parts and ammunition. Reinstate the Assault Weapon sales ban.
  2. No confiscation (except what is already in the law). But adopt a voluntary buy-back program with strong compensation, for guns and ammunition.
  3. Ban so-called "cop-killing" bullets.
  4. Ban the sale of high-capacity magazines.
  5. Ban ghost guns.
  6. Require a license to buy any firearm and ammunition.
  7. Require a "graduation process" to obtain and maintain a gun license.
  8. Mandatory buy back program for weapons acquired with a license for anybody who fails to renew their license.
  9. Implement a federal mandatory background check for all gun sales. No loopholes. And hold private sellers accountable if the gun sold without a check or to an unlicensed buyer is used in a crime.
  10. Give courts the authority to confiscate guns from people who they consider a threat to themselves and others. (Red Flag Law)
  11. Raise the age limit for buying any kind of guns to 21 (at least)
  12. Implement strong nationwide cash-for-guns programs focusing primarily on assault weapons.
  13. Repeal the PLCAA and investigate gun manufacturers and gun lobbyists' role in passing it.
  14. Require manufacturers to alter design of guns sold to public to make them as difficult to be modified as possible.
  15. Declare gun violence a preventable public health problem. Give the CDC funding an resources to study the relation between certain mental illnesses and gun violence.
  16. Repeal DoC v Heller given that the decision is based on factual historical and linguistic inaccuracies.

Feel free to skip the following absurd or irrelevant arguments
  • Irrelevant argument 1: People can print their guns: Sure... but that would be more difficult than just running down to the store. It's easy to print a gun with a kit. So selling kits must be outlawed. But many crazy people might not know HOW to print a gun without one. Some might not bother and just go jump of a bridge... or something. And then there are the bullets....
  • Irrelevant argument 2: They can kill people with .... (cars, bombs, knives, forks...): Read the sentence in "bold" at the top. It's HARDER to kill a lot of people with any of those items, than it is with a gun. Learning how to pull a trigger is easier than learning how to make a bomb without blowing yourself up in the process.
  • Irrelevant argument 3: You can't stop ALL shootings: Then we don't! That doesn't mean we can't stop ANY shootings.
  • Irrelevant argument 4: Guns don't kill people... people kill people: Bullshit!!
  • Irrelevant argument 5: But but but... the 2nd Amendment: Start here and continue through all the threads mentioned which debunk this inaccurate claime
  • Irrelevant argument 6: This xxxx [bump stock, cop killer bullets, assault rifles, ...] don't exist: MORE Bullshit! They do!
  • Irrelevant argument 7: What we need is more guns, not less (and variations like "arm teachers" and similar): There are more guns than there are people. So we have tried this. It hasn't worked! Countries have done the contrary (Australia, UK, Japan, ...etc) and it HAS worked.
  • Irrelevant argument 8: This is just a mental issue: There are as many nuts in other countries as there are in this one. And NO country has anywhere near as many shootings as we do. Over 600 every year since 2020, and almost 400 so far this year. Second place this year among developed countries: France with 6!)
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You can't repeal a court decision.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
To be clear, I don't think banning all guns is possible in this country in any of our lifetimes. So relax. But we might be able to reduce the number of mass shootings by banning some. I also don't mean "banning" in the sense that cops are going to walk into homes and grab guns.

Be sure to read at the end of this post some silly and irrelevant arguments that some have made in the past, so you don't repeat them. But if you do, I'll just refer you to the proper "Irrelevant argument" number.

Remember: there is likely NO way to stop ALL mass shootings. But the idea here is to make them more difficult. So that there are less shootings. And when shootings are unavoidable, that less people get killed.

The whole process will take years... maybe decades. But we need to start now!

All we want to do is make mass shooting more difficult.

The following might help:
  1. Ban the sale to the public of "assault weapons". As well as parts and ammunition. Reinstate the Assault Weapon sales ban.
  2. No confiscation (except what is already in the law). But adopt a voluntary buy-back program with strong compensation, for guns and ammunition.
  3. Ban so-called "cop-killing" bullets.
  4. Ban the sale of high-capacity magazines.
  5. Ban ghost guns.
  6. Require a license to buy any firearm and ammunition.
  7. Require a "graduation process" to obtain and maintain a gun license.
  8. Mandatory buy back program for weapons acquired with a license for anybody who fails to renew their license.
  9. Implement a federal mandatory background check for all gun sales. No loopholes. And hold private sellers accountable if the gun sold without a check or to an unlicensed buyer is used in a crime.
  10. Give courts the authority to confiscate guns from people who they consider a threat to themselves and others. (Red Flag Law)
  11. Raise the age limit for buying any kind of guns to 21 (at least)
  12. Implement strong nationwide cash-for-guns programs focusing primarily on assault weapons.
  13. Repeal the PLCAA and investigate gun manufacturers and gun lobbyists' role in passing it.
  14. Require manufacturers to alter design of guns sold to public to make them as difficult to be modified as possible.
  15. Declare gun violence a preventable public health problem. Give the CDC funding an resources to study the relation between certain mental illnesses and gun violence.
  16. Repeal DoC v Heller given that the decision is based on factual historical and linguistic inaccuracies.

Feel free to skip the following absurd or irrelevant arguments
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What good would a ban do. So we go from having 500 million firearms most of which are legally owned to 500 million firearms most of which are illegally owned?

It's like banning breathing or jumping on Thursday what's the point other than to be a dictator?
 
Feynman Lives! said:
To be clear, I don't think banning all guns is possible in this country in any of our lifetimes. So relax. But we might be able to reduce the number of mass shootings by banning some. I also don't mean "banning" in the sense that cops are going to walk into homes and grab guns.

Be sure to read at the end of this post some silly and irrelevant arguments that some have made in the past, so you don't repeat them. But if you do, I'll just refer you to the proper "Irrelevant argument" number.

Remember: there is likely NO way to stop ALL mass shootings. But the idea here is to make them more difficult. So that there are less shootings. And when shootings are unavoidable, that less people get killed.

The whole process will take years... maybe decades. But we need to start now!

All we want to do is make mass shooting more difficult.

The following might help:
  1. Ban the sale to the public of "assault weapons". As well as parts and ammunition. Reinstate the Assault Weapon sales ban.
  2. No confiscation (except what is already in the law). But adopt a voluntary buy-back program with strong compensation, for guns and ammunition.
  3. Ban so-called "cop-killing" bullets.
  4. Ban the sale of high-capacity magazines.
  5. Ban ghost guns.
  6. Require a license to buy any firearm and ammunition.
  7. Require a "graduation process" to obtain and maintain a gun license.
  8. Mandatory buy back program for weapons acquired with a license for anybody who fails to renew their license.
  9. Implement a federal mandatory background check for all gun sales. No loopholes. And hold private sellers accountable if the gun sold without a check or to an unlicensed buyer is used in a crime.
  10. Give courts the authority to confiscate guns from people who they consider a threat to themselves and others. (Red Flag Law)
  11. Raise the age limit for buying any kind of guns to 21 (at least)
  12. Implement strong nationwide cash-for-guns programs focusing primarily on assault weapons.
  13. Repeal the PLCAA and investigate gun manufacturers and gun lobbyists' role in passing it.
  14. Require manufacturers to alter design of guns sold to public to make them as difficult to be modified as possible.
  15. Declare gun violence a preventable public health problem. Give the CDC funding an resources to study the relation between certain mental illnesses and gun violence.
  16. Repeal DoC v Heller given that the decision is based on factual historical and linguistic inaccuracies.

Feel free to skip the following absurd or irrelevant arguments
  • Irrelevant argument 1: People can print their guns: Sure... but that would be more difficult than just running down to the store. It's easy to print a gun with a kit. So selling kits must be outlawed. But many crazy people might not know HOW to print a gun without one. Some might not bother and just go jump of a bridge... or something. And then there are the bullets....
  • Irrelevant argument 2: They can kill people with .... (cars, bombs, knives, forks...): Read the sentence in "bold" at the top. It's HARDER to kill a lot of people with any of those items, than it is with a gun. Learning how to pull a trigger is easier than learning how to make a bomb without blowing yourself up in the process.
  • Irrelevant argument 3: You can't stop ALL shootings: Then we don't! That doesn't mean we can't stop ANY shootings.
  • Irrelevant argument 4: Guns don't kill people... people kill people: Bullshit!!
  • Irrelevant argument 5: But but but... the 2nd Amendment: Start here and continue through all the threads mentioned which debunk this inaccurate claime
  • Irrelevant argument 6: This xxxx [bump stock, cop killer bullets, assault rifles, ...] don't exist: MORE Bullshit! They do!
  • Irrelevant argument 7: What we need is more guns, not less (and variations like "arm teachers" and similar): There are more guns than there are people. So we have tried this. It hasn't worked! Countries have done the contrary (Australia, UK, Japan, ...etc) and it HAS worked.
  • Irrelevant argument 8: This is just a mental issue: There are as many nuts in other countries as there are in this one. And NO country has anywhere near as many shootings as we do. Over 600 every year since 2020, and almost 400 so far this year. Second place this year among developed countries: France with 6!)
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For the sake of argument, temporarily assume none of this is possible.

In that scenario, how would you suggest reducing the number of instances where people kill other people with guns?
 
SkyChief said:
A much easier, and less convoluted way to ban guns is simply repeal Amendment II.

Easy peasy. :)
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How would argue that even without the second amendment you still have the right to own guns.

What they need to do is get rid of the concept of Rights because in order to have rights you have to be of the defend yourself.
 
SkyChief said:
A much easier, and less convoluted way to ban guns is simply repeal Amendment II.

Easy peasy.
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As explained above, the 2nd A has nothing to do with it.

Easier than that is to get rid of an activist Supreme Court that enacted legislation not based on the Constitution as written.
 
The Mark said:
For the sake of argument, temporarily assume none of this is possible.

In that scenario, how would you suggest reducing the number of instances where people kill other people with guns?
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The only thing you can do is control minds.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
As explained above, the 2nd A has nothing to do with it.

Easier than that is to get rid of an activist Supreme Court that enacted legislation not based on the Constitution as written.
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So overthrow the country. What else?
 
Feynman Lives! said:
As explained above, the 2nd A has nothing to do with it.

Easier than that is to get rid of an activist Supreme Court that enacted legislation not based on the Constitution as written.
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I disagree.

As long as Amendment II is Law, then the Supreme Court will be making rulings on the right to keep and bear arms, which will vary depending on the makeup of the Court. Once Amendment II is repealed, then SCOTUS can make no more rulings with regards to owning or carrying (fire)arms.

Banning guns can be done with an up or down vote by Congress.

All of the (16) infringements that you listed in the OP are in violation of Amendment II, which plainly states that "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
 
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Feynman Lives! said:
To be clear, I don't think banning all guns is possible in this country in any of our lifetimes. So relax. But we might be able to reduce the number of mass shootings by banning some. I also don't mean "banning" in the sense that cops are going to walk into homes and grab guns.

Be sure to read at the end of this post some silly and irrelevant arguments that some have made in the past, so you don't repeat them. But if you do, I'll just refer you to the proper "Irrelevant argument" number.

Remember: there is likely NO way to stop ALL mass shootings. But the idea here is to make them more difficult. So that there are less shootings. And when shootings are unavoidable, that less people get killed.

The whole process will take years... maybe decades. But we need to start now!

All we want to do is make mass shooting more difficult.

The following might help:
  1. Ban the sale to the public of "assault weapons". As well as parts and ammunition. Reinstate the Assault Weapon sales ban.
  2. No confiscation (except what is already in the law). But adopt a voluntary buy-back program with strong compensation, for guns and ammunition.
  3. Ban so-called "cop-killing" bullets.
  4. Ban the sale of high-capacity magazines.
  5. Ban ghost guns.
  6. Require a license to buy any firearm and ammunition.
  7. Require a "graduation process" to obtain and maintain a gun license.
  8. Mandatory buy back program for weapons acquired with a license for anybody who fails to renew their license.
  9. Implement a federal mandatory background check for all gun sales. No loopholes. And hold private sellers accountable if the gun sold without a check or to an unlicensed buyer is used in a crime.
  10. Give courts the authority to confiscate guns from people who they consider a threat to themselves and others. (Red Flag Law)
  11. Raise the age limit for buying any kind of guns to 21 (at least)
  12. Implement strong nationwide cash-for-guns programs focusing primarily on assault weapons.
  13. Repeal the PLCAA and investigate gun manufacturers and gun lobbyists' role in passing it.
  14. Require manufacturers to alter design of guns sold to public to make them as difficult to be modified as possible.
  15. Declare gun violence a preventable public health problem. Give the CDC funding an resources to study the relation between certain mental illnesses and gun violence.
  16. Repeal DoC v Heller given that the decision is based on factual historical and linguistic inaccuracies.

Feel free to skip the following absurd or irrelevant arguments
  • Irrelevant argument 1: People can print their guns: Sure... but that would be more difficult than just running down to the store. It's easy to print a gun with a kit. So selling kits must be outlawed. But many crazy people might not know HOW to print a gun without one. Some might not bother and just go jump of a bridge... or something. And then there are the bullets....
  • Irrelevant argument 2: They can kill people with .... (cars, bombs, knives, forks...): Read the sentence in "bold" at the top. It's HARDER to kill a lot of people with any of those items, than it is with a gun. Learning how to pull a trigger is easier than learning how to make a bomb without blowing yourself up in the process.
  • Irrelevant argument 3: You can't stop ALL shootings: Then we don't! That doesn't mean we can't stop ANY shootings.
  • Irrelevant argument 4: Guns don't kill people... people kill people: Bullshit!!
  • Irrelevant argument 5: But but but... the 2nd Amendment: Start here and continue through all the threads mentioned which debunk this inaccurate claime
  • Irrelevant argument 6: This xxxx [bump stock, cop killer bullets, assault rifles, ...] don't exist: MORE Bullshit! They do!
  • Irrelevant argument 7: What we need is more guns, not less (and variations like "arm teachers" and similar): There are more guns than there are people. So we have tried this. It hasn't worked! Countries have done the contrary (Australia, UK, Japan, ...etc) and it HAS worked.
  • Irrelevant argument 8: This is just a mental issue: There are as many nuts in other countries as there are in this one. And NO country has anywhere near as many shootings as we do. Over 600 every year since 2020, and almost 400 so far this year. Second place this year among developed countries: France with 6!)
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I think Kam-Kam should adopt your plot to crush civil rights and LOUDLY proclaim this as her intention between now and election day.
 
The Mark said:
For the sake of argument, temporarily assume none of this is possible.

In that scenario, how would you suggest reducing the number of instances where people kill other people with guns?
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In such a fantasy scenario it would be easy: invent a goodness ray gun that makes everybody want to be "good" with each other.
 
SkyChief said:
I disagree.

As long as Amendment II is Law, then the Supreme Court will be making rulings
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The 2nd A only has to do with gun ownership because the Supreme Court legislated to make it so. Even so, I don't think any of these contradicts the Heller legislation. And, in any case, this activist supreme court will not be there forever.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
I think Kam-Kam should adopt your plot to crush civil rights and LOUDLY proclaim this as her intention between now and election day.
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Walz kind of said that.

He was moaning about school shootings that he did nothing to stop.

Essentially saying only government and criminals will be able to have certain guns and your children in your school will just be a shooting gallery.

I think dead children are good for his brand come out Harris's too but she's second fiddle at this point.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
The 2nd A only has to do with gun ownership because the Supreme Court legislated to make it so. Even so, I don't think any of these contradicts the Heller legislation. And, in any case, this activist supreme court will not be there forever.
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Further back in the Constitution aside from the amendments gun ownership is implied.

If you have any rights at all it's because you're able to defend yourself if you're unable to defend yourself you have no rights. Essentially if someone wants to murder you or rape you or have their way with your wife or children they can you can't stop them. Without you having the ability to stop them they have that right.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
The 2nd A only has to do with gun ownership because the Supreme Court legislated to make it so. Even so, I don't think any of these contradicts the Heller legislation. And, in any case, this activist supreme court will not be there forever.
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What a silly and untrue claim.

The RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE.

But that is the real issue - democrats don't believe people have any rights. Under the principles of the collectivist totalitarians, people are the property of the state to be disposed of as the state sees fit.

Those who attack our right to defend our lives and our property, also attack the right to free speech - the way Walz does and the way the Harris-Biden regime has attacked it over the last 4 years. They attack our right to be secure in our person and papers - because they wanted to go fishing in Trumps taxes.

The radical left - the democrats - are at war to end all civil rights. The 2nd is simply an impediment to ending the rest of them.
 
Feynman Lives! said:
As explained above, the 2nd A has nothing to do with it.

Easier than that is to get rid of an activist Supreme Court that enacted legislation not based on the Constitution as written.
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It appears that you want to get rid to the Constitution that limits the absolute power your party lusts for.
 
What a sad collection of anti-gun memes presented in the OP.

Or if you REALLY wanted to make a diference you could address the actual shootings and work to resolve the circumstances that spawn them.

Gun banning leftists always eager to impose ban and restrictions on the people that arent the problem while ignoring those that are.

Classic.
 
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