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How The Second Amendment Was Reinterpreted To Protect Individual Rights....Less Than 50 Years Ago

When? What did the Democrats do in the late 1970s to turn the NRA against them?

You can't name ANYTHING related to guns.
How long have we been hearing "assault weapons" mantras from the Dems? Are you paying attention?
More lies. That is why 90% of African Americans started voting for Democrats in the late 1960s/early 1970s.
Guess again; African Americans are drifting rightward.
 
As I've stated repeatedly, nobody was talking about the Second Amendment being an unequivocal right to own guns until the late 1970s. So for the first 200 years of this country's history, no Republicans (or Democrats) were talking this stupid shit.

This is nothing but propaganda cooked-up by the NRA less than 50 years ago and it has brainwashed unsophisticated Republican goobers ever since, as this article explains. --





And here is why all of the Republican Constitution "Originalist scholars" are so full of shit as well. --




Of course it has been reinterpreted and it is not a coincidence either. This current interpretation is the entire basis for the multi billion $ industry selling death with no restrictions or regulations. All because of a amendment we have ignored the real meaning of since it was meant only to make it clear that the founders did not trust standing armies. We have the most expensive standing army in the world now despite the 2nd.
 
Tell them about the racist gun control that Reagan supported during his tenure as governor. Then tell 'em again how the GOP and Dems were united on gun control.
Don't worry, I will. And you have no counter for it. Which is why I completely own you in this debate.
 
How long have we been hearing "assault weapons" mantras from the Dems? Are you paying attention?
It wasn't in the 1970s, when the NRA and Republican Party first joined forces. Sorry, try again.

Both Republicans and Democrats supported gun control in the 1970s.

The only thing that changed is that the NRA became a White Power organization that didn't like civil rights, feminist rights, or gay rights.
 
All gun control, or just the terms in GCA 1968? 49 of 53 Republican senators and 161 Republican Congressmen voted for FOPA 1986 which removed some of the restrictions from GCA 1934.
Yes, correct. By 1986, the Republican Party had become the NRA's bitch. And it's been that way ever since.
 
How many efforts were there between 1968 and 1986 to pass "common sense" laws like "ban all handguns"?
What's your point? You know Nixon wanted to ban hand guns as President in the early 1970s, right?
 
It wasn't in the 1970s, when the NRA and Republican Party first joined forces. Sorry, try again.

Both Republicans and Democrats supported gun control in the 1970s.

The only thing that changed is that the NRA became a White Power organization that didn't like civil rights, feminist rights, or gay rights.

Or any other rights except the one that never should have existed in the first place.
 
It wasn't in the 1970s, when the NRA and Republican Party first joined forces. Sorry, try again.
I really don't GS WHEN it happened. It happened.
Both Republicans and Democrats supported gun control in the 1970s.
Prove it.
The only thing that changed is that the NRA became a White Power organization that didn't like civil rights, feminist rights, or gay rights.
That bullshit isn't worth discussing.
 
What's your point? You know Nixon wanted to ban hand guns as President in the early 1970s, right?
Which means what? He did speak for all Republicans.

"As president, Nixon never publicly called for a ban on all handguns. Instead, he urged Congress to pass more modest legislation banning Saturday night specials, which were cheaply made, easily concealed and often used by criminals.

Not all of the president’s men appeared to share his passion on the issue. The recordings and memos show that Nixon administration officials saw gun control as a political loser." <---- those were Republicans.


I didn't know that you embraced the policies of Nixon, or is this just cherry picking?
 
Did all of the rank and file fall into those same beliefs?

I'm sure there were differences between Republicans on gun control during the 1960s - 1970s. Just like there were differences between Democrats on gun control during the 1960s - 1970s.

The bottom line is that it was a non-partisan issue until the late 1970s. Both parties were in agreement that some gun control is necessary.

None of you Republicans can point to one thing that the Democrats did in terms of gun control in the 1970s to turn the NRA against them.
 
Which means what? He did speak for all Republicans.

"As president, Nixon never publicly called for a ban on all handguns. Instead, he urged Congress to pass more modest legislation banning Saturday night specials, which were cheaply made, easily concealed and often used by criminals.

Not all of the president’s men appeared to share his passion on the issue. The recordings and memos show that Nixon administration officials saw gun control as a political loser." <---- those were Republicans.


I didn't know that you embraced the policies of Nixon, or is this just cherry picking?

Irrelevant. The leader of the Republican Party and the President of the U.S. favored a ban on hand guns. Only 50 years ago.

You can't discount that, no matter how much you try. And you can't come up with one thing the Democrats did during the 1970s to turn the Republican Party into a bunch of 2nd Amendment religious zealots.
 
I'm sure there were differences between Republicans on gun control during the 1960s - 1970s. Just like there were differences between Democrats on gun control during the 1960s - 1970s.

The bottom line is that it was a non-partisan issue until the late 1970s. Both parties were in agreement that some gun control is necessary.

We have "some gun control". When Handgun Control Inc and National Council to Control Handguns tried to ban all handguns, the two parties went in two directions.

None of you Republicans can point to one thing that the Democrats did in terms of gun control in the 1970s to turn the NRA against them.
I'm not a Republican.
 
Irrelevant. The leader of the Republican Party and the President of the U.S. favored a ban on hand guns. Only 50 years ago.

You can't discount that, no matter how much you try. And you can't come up with one thing the Democrats did during the 1970s to turn the Republican Party into a bunch of 2nd Amendment religious zealots.
In July 1976, Shields estimated that it would take seven to ten years for NCCH to reach the goal of "total control of handguns in the United States." He said: "The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition – except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors – totally illegal.


 
In July 1976, Shields estimated that it would take seven to ten years for NCCH to reach the goal of "total control of handguns in the United States." He said: "The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition – except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors – totally illegal.



Gee....that sounds a lot like Richard Nixon.
 
You mean that criminal? Why would you support a criminal?
Where did I say I supported him? I'm saying there is no space between the Republicans and Democrats on this gun control issue in the 1970s.

You're on the ropes, reeling badly.
 
Where did I say I supported him? I'm saying there is no space between the Republicans and Democrats on this gun control issue in the 1970s.
You've shown Nixon supported some. I've shown that his staff opposed it. There wasn't any real split until the Democrats started trying to ban handguns. If the Republicans were so in favor there wouldn't have been any split, would there? Was there any other issues to drive a split in the 70s?
 
All Republicans?
All gun control, or just the terms in GCA 1968? 49 of 53 Republican senators and 161 Republican Congressmen voted for FOPA 1986 which removed some of the restrictions from GCA 1934.
Or bans on handguns.
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You've shown Nixon supported some. I've shown that his staff opposed it. There wasn't any real split until the Democrats started trying to ban handguns.
Yeah....the history books care whether or not Nixon's staff opposed gun control laws. LOL. They're not even elected officials.

If the Republicans were so in favor there wouldn't have been any split, would there? Was there any other issues to drive a split in the 70s?
I already explained to you that these "splits" also existed among the Democrats. Democrats in urban areas favored stricter gun control laws than Democrats in rural areas, the same as today.

Again, you have no point.
 
Yeah....the history books care whether or not Nixon's staff opposed gun control laws. LOL. They're not even elected officials.
The vast majority of Republicans aren't elected officials.
I already explained to you that these "splits" also existed among the Democrats. Democrats in urban areas favored stricter gun control laws than Democrats in rural areas, the same as today.

Again, you have no point.
So both parties were similar in their split views?
 
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