How much would Republicans love Trump now if he’d lost the election?

[Kobie]

And that's a fair paraphrase of what I said. The ball is in the Libs' court. If they put one up, we will vote Trump, it's that simple.

You'll vote Trump anyway, so why should any of us care what you think?

 

[OrphanSlug]

It's hard to understand the whinging about how Trump is treated when he's made it a point to be combative in his quest to upend the "status quo". If you pick a fight with too many people, you can't complain about getting hit from every angle. The sad thing about all of this is an anti-establishment candidate could probably do well challenging the norms if they knew how to align the right allies and get as many people on board as possible.

There is a point to be made about intentionally challenging the norms, then complaining about the response.

What I keep going back to is the difference between the Trump supporter that might have buyers remorse unhappy with where we are vs. those that continue to support Trump no matter how he goes about challenging the status quo and then complaining about the result.

It might be a bit of a tall order looking for the next status quo challenger that captures enough support to change the opinion of those who align establishment.

Good points though.

 

[tres borrachos]

Yep, my question alluded to "So why do we care what he says".

Nobody told you that you had to care what he says. That's your choice.

 

[smallvoice]

Very ironic coming from the guy who probably voted for a war criminal, AKA W Bush.

And likewise, I will NEVER vote for a Republican. Ever. They are that bad for the people. THey are crooks. They are only in it to make big business bigger by giving tax cuts to the rich and keeping the rest of the country poor. They ally themselves with racists and used the SOuthern Strategy to flip the South. THey are the true American Taliban and I'll vote for a yellow dog before I vote for a Republican.

Ok. When you finish your education, come back, you will have changed your mind. OBTW, the was your saint, LBJ that did that.

 

[smallvoice]

You'll vote Trump anyway, so why should any of us care what you think?

...and you don't understand what you read, also.

 

[smallvoice]

Nobody told you that you had to care what he says. That's your choice.

Apparently, you care. Otherwise, you would not have responded.

 

[Felis Leo]

Like I said turn the channel from Fox News. Mainstream Dems aren't attacking anything. Donald Trump is putting this country in extreme danger by cuddling up to Putin. That's what we're concerned about. Donald Trump has done little if anything to make this country great.

I certainly appreciate you being a Cold Warrior, madasheck, and I do not mean that sarcastically. I despise the Russian regime and consider Russia our enemy, not merely an economic or geopolitical rival. But as to your first point, that "Mainstream Dems" aren't attacking anything, presuming your are totally sincere in your statement, I would disagree heartily. I will not be told that the words coming directly out of Democratic politicians' mouths are propaganda ginned up by Fox News. Especially since I do not watch Fox News or listen to Sean Hannity.

When I hear mainstream Democrats on the Federal or State level say that they wish to ban all semiautomatic firearms; or eliminating Americans' ability to purchase private healthcare insurance; or push for abortion on demand laws; to say nothing of gross overtaxation of higher income earners or an outright wealth tax in order to fight what I consider to be the nonexistent problem of income and wealth inequality, I am left looking at what I can only consider to be extremist positions. And this is only the political policy, to say nothing of the "culture war" issues that are going on presently, which are too numerous to describe (and are even more destructive to a tolerant, law-governed society like ours than the previously-described policies).

Now, perhaps as a self-described progressive, you cheer many if not all of these proposals. As a conservative, I do not, and I find them shockingly destructive, such that I am forced to stand shoulder to shoulder with one of the most unqualified men to ever hold the office of the presidency against a tide of insanity.

 

[Puigb]

if Trump is still president in 2020, and runs, and loses, the entire GOP as well as Republican voters will abandon him and pretend they never supported or voted for him in the first place. We have a recent precedent for that...George W. Bush, who for his 8 years as president received strong support from the GOP and GOP voters. That is, until McCain lost big time in 2008, and Obama came into office with strong Democratic majorities in congress, and Bush left office with a historically low approval rating. Only then did the GOP and it's voters abandon Dubya...and to this very day he's basically a pariah within his own party. Trump will face the same fate, IMO.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Hardly. Pay attention. I think Trump is a dirtbag, with a big mouth. Having said that, I will vote for a dirtbag with a big mouth or 'even' Pence before I'll ever vote for a liberal/progressive/socialist/communist Democrat. They are that bad for the nation. They want to take us in a direction we may never recover from. Not with my vote.

Exactly what I said. You'll vote for a dirtbag over any Democrat.
You do realize that Trump was a Democrat before he decided to become a Republican, don't you? So, you support a retreaded Democrat calling himself a Republican as well as a dirtbag.

Sometimes, I wonder if the Republican Party will ever recover from Trumpism.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Very ironic coming from the guy who probably voted for a war criminal, AKA W Bush.

And likewise, I will NEVER vote for a Republican. Ever. They are that bad for the people. THey are crooks. They are only in it to make big business bigger by giving tax cuts to the rich and keeping the rest of the country poor. They ally themselves with racists and used the SOuthern Strategy to flip the South. THey are the true American Taliban and I'll vote for a yellow dog before I vote for a Republican.

Your vote and that of smallvoice will cancel each other out. That leaves the choice up to the independents.

 

[Dittohead not!]

if Trump is still president in 2020, and runs, and loses, the entire GOP as well as Republican voters will abandon him and pretend they never supported or voted for him in the first place. We have a recent precedent for that...George W. Bush, who for his 8 years as president received strong support from the GOP and GOP voters. That is, until McCain lost big time in 2008, and Obama came into office with strong Democratic majorities in congress, and Bush left office with a historically low approval rating. Only then did the GOP and it's voters abandon Dubya...and to this very day he's basically a pariah within his own party. Trump will face the same fate, IMO.

Only much worse. Dubya lost support due to the war in Iraq, which lots of people on both sides of the aisle supported before it became obvious that the war was a complete disaster. Had W not listened to Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld, he might have done a decent job as POTUS. Now, the same "my country right or wrong" people who support Orwellian wars are backpedaling and trying to pretend that they didn't support Bush or his war. Trump, on the other hand, is not a one issue sort of president. He's turned the Republican Party upside down. It will take a while for it to recover. When it does, the Trump supporters will never admit to having been Trump supporters.

 

[smallvoice]

Exactly what I said. You'll vote for a dirtbag over any Democrat.
You do realize that Trump was a Democrat before he decided to become a Republican, don't you? So, you support a retreaded Democrat calling himself a Republican as well as a dirtbag.

Sometimes, I wonder if the Republican Party will ever recover from Trumpism.

Well, dang. You finally got something right. I don't care what you say he "was". He's now the Republican President. Have you checked out the ENTIRE democrat crew? Not one has the sense to get in out of the rain. I'll stick with the retread until someone comes to their senses

 

[Dutch]

It’s funny what winning an election will do. During the 2016 campaign, there were R’s who were tepid in their support for Trump like Colin Powell, Jon Huntsman, Jeff Flake, Carly Fiorina, Jason Chaffetz, Ben Sasse and numerous others ( **all mentioned in this NBC story** ) who called for him to drop out or they changed from deciding to vote for him before the election.

But some of those named above who said they wouldn’t support him or were lukewarm sure changed their minds after the election. But I’m wondering how much love Trump would have now if the election had reversed itself and Hillary had won by the landslide people had predicted.

What do you think? I suspect the fickle finger of elections would have been wagging and he’d have been just another loser. I think winning the election did everything to boost his love within his party and they would have all but abandoned him otherwise.

Well, yes. As it is it's "kinda'" his party. (at least for now)

 

[Dittohead not!]

Well, dang. You finally got something right. I don't care what you say he "was". He's now the Republican President. Have you checked out the ENTIRE democrat crew? Not one has the sense to get in out of the rain. I'll stick with the retread until someone comes to their senses

and if the retread never comes to his senses, then what?

 

[smallvoice]

and if the retread never comes to his senses, then what?

I'll keep him. I'm not worrying about Trump, I'm looking at who you libs want to replace him with. After the second term, there will be another election, and if you libs can't come up with a real candidate, I'll probably vote for the R. Again, just like the last time.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

It’s funny what winning an election will do. During the 2016 campaign, there were R’s who were tepid in their support for Trump like Colin Powell, Jon Huntsman, Jeff Flake, Carly Fiorina, Jason Chaffetz, Ben Sasse and numerous others ( **all mentioned in this NBC story** ) who called for him to drop out or they changed from deciding to vote for him before the election.

But some of those named above who said they wouldn’t support him or were lukewarm sure changed their minds after the election. But I’m wondering how much love Trump would have now if the election had reversed itself and Hillary had won by the landslide people had predicted.

What do you think? I suspect the fickle finger of elections would have been wagging and he’d have been just another loser. I think winning the election did everything to boost his love within his party and they would have all but abandoned him otherwise.

Are we sure that Colin Powell loves Trump?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I support him and his administration in some areas of his governance, but that is because in those areas the administration's policies align with my political positions and principles.*

*Honest question: Which ones, specifically, because I cannot think of a single thing Trump has done which would align with your positions.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Do you write for the World Nu.. I mean Net Daily? That post appears to have been taken verbatim from that august publication.

Of course, it's really total

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That's all ANY of them do, and have done, for years.
Copy and paste.

If it's not Hannity, it's Dinesh, if it's not Dinesh, it's Prager, if it's not Prager, it's Rush, if it's not Rush, it's Corsi, if it's not Corsi, it's Tucker, if it's not Tucker, it's Ann Coulter and if it's not Coulter, it's Alex Jones.
Honorable mention to Jeff Rense and Michael Savage.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Who is Chaffetz?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The only way you will not vote for Trump is if he either drops out or loses the primary. Your political lean says it all. The Democrats could run Pence while the Republicans ran Beelzebub, and you would still vote Republican.

As a liberal Democrat, I never worry about what folks on the Right think of a candidate, because they will NEVER VOTE for a Democrat in the first place. So why would I be concerned about their concern trolling masquerading as "just trying to be helpful"?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Hardly. Pay attention. I think Trump is a dirtbag, with a big mouth. Having said that, I will vote for a dirtbag with a big mouth or 'even' Pence before I'll ever vote for a liberal/progressive/socialist/communist Democrat.

Because it is clear that you see ALL Democrats as communists. You just threw the rest in there because you thought it would make you sound fair minded. But in any case, you'd never vote for a liberal of any kind anyway, so why should we pay attention again?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Ok. When you finish your education, come back, you will have changed your mind. OBTW, the was your saint, LBJ that did that.

There you go again with more revisionist lies.

 

[smallvoice]

Because it is clear that you see ALL Democrats as communists. You just threw the rest in there because you thought it would make you sound fair minded. But in any case, you'd never vote for a liberal of any kind anyway, so why should we pay attention again?

Actually, I have long since stopped caring if one of you ignorant liberals pay attention. BTW, all Democrats aren't communist, but they are allowing the hard leftists to take them to political hell.

 

[smallvoice]

There you go again with more revisionist lies.

Everybody has an opinion, ....you know the rest. Check out what LBJ said.

 

[Perotista]

It’s funny what winning an election will do. During the 2016 campaign, there were R’s who were tepid in their support for Trump like Colin Powell, Jon Huntsman, Jeff Flake, Carly Fiorina, Jason Chaffetz, Ben Sasse and numerous others ( **all mentioned in this NBC story** ) who called for him to drop out or they changed from deciding to vote for him before the election.

But some of those named above who said they wouldn’t support him or were lukewarm sure changed their minds after the election. But I’m wondering how much love Trump would have now if the election had reversed itself and Hillary had won by the landslide people had predicted.

What do you think? I suspect the fickle finger of elections would have been wagging and he’d have been just another loser. I think winning the election did everything to boost his love within his party and they would have all but abandoned him otherwise.

Very few in my opinion. that is true Republicans. You seen how McCain and Romney were and are treated. If Trump lost, he would just be another name in the history book. Only one candidate that I remember really remain active in politics, helping his party with appearances, speeches and more, then was nominated for a second time and won. Richard Nixon. Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, all sort of fell off the face of the earth political wise. I mean in helping their party. Sure, some went back to the senate, some wrote books, but none did what Nixon did. Continuing to be very active in his party's politics, helping out whenever he could.