how much will the Big Beautiful Bill save you every year ?

[hecatmoggie]

Raw numbers

truth sucks, I know, I'm sorry

Obama/Biden added trillions more in debt than GW/Trump

Trump will catch up to them in 4 years though and they you can say they all added about the same

 

[hecatmoggie]

You want me to talk about what someone else said when you are getting 50$ extra funky dollars a week?
Preposterous. Tell us more about what you are going to do with those types of life changing sums?

so $35 co-pay for hospital visits isn't too much too ask, its not much money anyway

right ?


$2400 buys me a lot of groceries
800-1000 gallons of fuel for a vehicles/mowers/farm
a lot of fishing gear
a lot of hunting gear
a couple of guns and plenty of allnuition
2 house payments
many many months of auto insurance

$2400 to use lower class people is vastly different then $2400 to most of the rich debatepolitics left/liberal/Democrat crowd ... ya'll think $2400 is chump change

Biden gave me nothing back in 4 years - thank you Democrats ! Democrats would TAKE more from me if it wasn't for Republican's. They raise taxes and spend trillions - its what they do and then complain someone else isn't paying enough lol

 

[hecatmoggie]

Do you know why nearly 50% of Americans pay no income tax? Because taxing them is self defeating. They spend all or nearly all their income in the economy and taxing them would come straight out of GDP as reduced spending.

just admit then that they don't pay their fair share - is that too much to ask ?

Your "plan" would put us into a deep recession. I am amazed at the lack of economic sense of MAGA's. They seem to think that what is best for them is what billionaires want when the opposite is true. Use some common sense why don't you? Your interests have nothing in common with a billionaires.

then leave it as it is - but NEVER say the rich don't pay their fair share

they pay so much more than their fair share its not even funny - this battle cry that Democrats started sounds great, its a giant lie

"the rich need to pay their fair share"


you know its a lie, right ?

 

[iguanaman]

lets look and see if they did ... GW 4.2 and Trump 1.0 was 7.8 equals around 12 Trillion right ?

Obama was 7.6 and Biden 8.4 which is around 16 Trillion right ?

so no .... you're wrong



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Hmm...Obama was handed the Great Recession from GW Bush who was handed a balanced budget by Clinton. Trump 1 doubled the deficit handed to him by Obama before Covid and Biden was handed the Covid crisis. Trump 2 is planning on adding 5 trillion to our debt and is already spending far more than Biden.

Despite Trump's promised cuts, U.S. spent more than $200 billion more in first 100 days than last year​

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-promised-cuts-spent-200-billion-more/

 

[iguanaman]

so $35 co-pay for hospital visits isn't too much too ask, its not much money anyway


Biden gave me nothing back in 4 years - thank you Democrats ! Democrats would TAKE more from me if it wasn't for Republican's. They raise taxes and spend trillions - its what they do and then complain someone else isn't paying enough lol

LOL You have a bad memory lapse.....Biden sent you an actual check for $1400 while Trump will not actually save you a dime. Your "savings" are a hoax.

President Biden signs $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief bill with $1,400 stimulus checks into law​

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ief-bill-stimulus-checks-into-law/4647894001/

 

[Hatuey]

so $35 co-pay for hospital visits isn't too much too ask, its not much money anyway

right ?


$2400 buys me a lot of groceries
800-1000 gallons of fuel for a vehicles/mowers/farm
a lot of fishing gear
a lot of hunting gear
a couple of guns and plenty of allnuition
2 house payments
many many months of auto insurance

You are getting all of this for 50$ a week? Or just 1 of these things, maybe and barring no other unforseen expenditures due to tariffs, shortages, etc?

 

[Citizen]

it was stated in this thread that the new changes with BBB is $35 co-pay's and how horrible that is for people because it add's up

and yet that $200 a month OT deductible is also called chump change and how I'm easily bought etc

which is it ? chump change or a lot ?

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/07/02/nx-s1-5453870/senate-republicans-tax-bill-medicaid-health-care

4. Those on Medicaid will pay more to see the doctor​

Many Medicaid enrollees can expect to pay more out-of-pocket for appointments.

Trump's legislation requires states that have expanded Medicaid to charge enrollees up to $35 for some services if their incomes are between the federal poverty level (this year, $15,650 for an individual) and 138% of that amount ($21,597).

So if MEDICARE payments go up along with all of the other cost of living increases, $200 a month will cancel itself out

 

[SavannahMann]

That same president who continues to want to make deals with those same Democrats?
I think you are probably mistakenly using hyperbole and political rhetoric to validate your hate for the president.

Deals? If they surrender and do what he wants maybe they won’t get investigated or sued? That isn’t much of a deal.

 

[Chomsky]

did you trust Biden's administration and what they posted ?

If verifiable, deductible, intuitive.

Otherwise, I'm wary of political statements.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Hmm...Obama was handed the Great Recession from GW Bush who was handed a balanced budget by Clinton. Trump 1 doubled the deficit handed to him by Obama before Covid and Biden was handed the Covid crisis. Trump 2 is planning on adding 5 trillion to our debt and is already spending far more than Biden.

Despite Trump's promised cuts, U.S. spent more than $200 billion more in first 100 days than last year​

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-promised-cuts-spent-200-billion-more/

oh oh excuses ! excuses !


what do you think Biden just handed off ? lol

fact remains who added more debt

 

[hecatmoggie]

So if MEDICARE payments go up along with all of the other cost of living increases, $200 a month will cancel itself out

if someone is on Medicare and working OT and going to Dr 2-3 times a month yes I suppose so yes

 

[iguanaman]

oh oh excuses ! excuses !


what do you think Biden just handed off ? lol

fact remains who added more debt

Biden handed off the fastest growing economy in the world, the lowest unemployment in decades, and he brought inflation down below 3%. Trump has already increased inflation and our GDP growth is NEGATIVE. He is already a failure by all measures and spent $200 billion more in his 1st 100 days than last year under Biden.

Inflation-adjusted data from the U.S. Treasury Department and the Bureau of Labor Statistics would suggest that per term, Republican presidents have added slightly more debt to the U.S. national debt than Democratic presidents. Looking at U.S. presidents from 1913 through the end of the federal fiscal year 2024, Republican presidents added about $1.4 trillion per four-year term, compared to $1.2 trillion added by Democrats.

https://www.investopedia.com/democrats-vs-republicans-who-had-more-national-debt-8738104

 

[iguanaman]

just admit then that they don't pay their fair share - is that too much to ask ?



then leave it as it is - but NEVER say the rich don't pay their fair share

they pay so much more than their fair share its not even funny - this battle cry that Democrats started sounds great, its a giant lie

"the rich need to pay their fair share"


you know its a lie, right ?

LOL The 1% have had the biggest windfall in the history of the world mostly due to low taxes. You are being played and your children will pay for it. Wise up.

Richest 1% bag nearly twice as much wealth as the rest of the world put together over the past two years​

Published: 16th January 2023

• Super-rich outstrip their extraordinary grab of half of all new wealth in past decade.
• Billionaire fortunes are increasing by $2.7 billion a day even as at least 1.7 billion workers now live in countries where inflation is outpacing wages.
• A tax of up to 5 percent on the world’s multi-millionaires and billionaires could raise $1.7 trillion a year, enough to lift 2 billion people out of poverty.

The richest 1 percent grabbed nearly two-thirds of all new wealth worth $42 trillion created since 2020, almost twice as much money as the bottom 99 percent of the world’s population, reveals a new Oxfam report today. During the past decade, the richest 1 percent had captured around half of all new wealth.

“Survival of the Richest” is published on the opening day of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Elites are gathering in the Swiss ski resort as extreme wealth and extreme poverty have increased simultaneously for the first time in 25 years.

“While ordinary people are making daily sacrifices on essentials like food, the super-rich have outdone even their wildest dreams. Just two years in, this decade is shaping up to be the best yet for billionaires —a roaring ‘20s boom for the world’s richest,” said Gabriela Bucher, Executive Director of Oxfam International.

“Taxing the super-rich and big corporations is the door out of today’s overlapping crises. It’s time we demolish the convenient myth that tax cuts for the richest result in their wealth somehow ‘trickling down’ to everyone else. Forty years of tax cuts for the super-rich have shown that a rising tide doesn’t lift all ships —just the superyachts.”

Billionaires have seen extraordinary increases in their wealth. During the pandemic and cost-of-living crisis years since 2020, $26 trillion (63 percent) of all new wealth was captured by the richest 1 percent, while $16 trillion (37 percent) went to the rest of the world put together. A billionaire gained roughly $1.7 million for every $1 of new global wealth earned by a person in the bottom 90 percent. Billionaire fortunes have increased by $2.7 billion a day. This comes on top of a decade of historic gains —the number and wealth of billionaires having doubled over the last ten years.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-rele...h-rest-world-put-together-over-past-two-years

 

[iguanaman]

sound like House and Senate changed things - they can do that

And Trump can lie about it....... His entire life is one big lie and you fell for it.

 

[AliHajiSheik]

The entire 'no tax on tips' is nothing but a deflection by Trump from who it is actually going to benefit the most. Forget everything you think you know about 'no tax on tips'. If you believe this is going to be a big windfall for waiters and waitresses, it probably looks good - because, 'more money in their pocket will help lift them out of debt'. Tax-free tips are a weak substitute for an end to the $2.13 subminimal hourly wage. There's the right place to start, just bring everyone up to the level of earning a minimum hourly wage.

'No tax on tips' is not about people working in the service industry. It just isn't. It isn't about the underpaid waiter or waitress at your local restaurant, even though Trump made you believe the lie. This is all about a hedge-fund manager or CEOs converting a portion of their compensation to gratuities. Every hedge fund manager will now have a large portion of their compensation based on “gratuity”
Ah! It makes sense now, doesn't it?

I'll admit I haven't read the law yet, but did the law change the current IRS definition of a tip?

Link

 

[HumblePi]

I'll admit I haven't read the law yet, but did the law change the current IRS definition of a tip?

Link

As far as I know, the bill does not redefine what constitutes a tip itself. The IRS defines: A tip is defined as an optional or extra payment that a customer makes to an employee for services rendered, and the amount is determined solely by the customer. This includes both cash and non-cash tips, as well as tips received through tip-sharing arrangements.

 

[AliHajiSheik]

As far as I know, the bill does not redefine what constitutes a tip itself. The IRS defines: A tip is defined as an optional or extra payment that a customer makes to an employee for services rendered, and the amount is determined solely by the customer. This includes both cash and non-cash tips, as well as tips received through tip-sharing arrangements.

I thought my link contained a good definition of the current law.

 

[HumblePi]

I thought my link contained a good definition of the current law.

Well, I just quoted you the IRS definition. What agency would be an authority on the definition other than the IRS?

 

[rahl]

truth sucks, I know, I'm sorry

Righties are so bad at economics, they don’t understand how inflation works (1T today isn’t the same as 1T in 2006)

Obama/Biden added trillions more in debt than GW/Trump

Bush and Trump added more to the debt than Biden Obama.

Trump will catch up to them in 4 years though and they you can say they all added about the same

Trump outspend and added more to the debt than Biden. Bush outspend and added more to the debt than Obama.

 

[George50]

you only want to look at total taxes -

Absolutely because that is the only legitimate way to look at taxes.

this thread is on the income taxing specifically income taxing


focus on that - and wealthy people pay the bulk of it, low income people pay almost none of it

Which is a ridiculous way to look at it because wealthy people pay almost none of some other taxes.

I have said flat taxes I like - a person making $25000 paying 30% of their income (lets say) - they'd be MUCH more involved in politics if they were paying heavy taxes rather than what we have right now of them paying literally no taxes.

But what you just said is not true. They are NOT paying literally no taxes.

and rich paying 30% ? they don't like paying any more than the poor, middle etc do

How are the rich paying more?

equal and fair, right ?

Wrong! No more than looking only at state and local taxes in Florida and not considering Federal taxes at all.

 

[rahl]

oh oh excuses ! excuses !


what do you think Biden just handed off ? lol

A booming economy that was the envy of the world, record high stock market, full employment, no wars.

fact remains who added more debt

Yep. Bush/trump.

 

[George50]

changing goal posts still ?

U.S. Debt by President: Dollar and Percentage

The national debt has increased under most U.S. presidents. Here is how much each president's time in office added to the U.S. debt by percentage and dollar amounts.

www.investopedia.com

be honest - this is the debt added in each presidency


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That’s irrelevant. What is relevant is the debt that each president approved, not the debt that they are stuck with because it was approved by previous presidents! So far, this term, the OBBB debt is on Trump. Any other debt he approves will also be on him, not the next president.

Debt approve in Trump’s first term and Biden’s 4 years.

 

[George50]

so $35 co-pay for hospital visits isn't too much too ask, its not much money anyway

right ?


$2400 buys me a lot of groceries
800-1000 gallons of fuel for a vehicles/mowers/farm
a lot of fishing gear
a lot of hunting gear
a couple of guns and plenty of allnuition
2 house payments
many many months of auto insurance

$2400 to use lower class people is vastly different then $2400 to most of the rich debatepolitics left/liberal/Democrat crowd ... ya'll think $2400 is chump change

Biden gave me nothing back in 4 years - thank you Democrats ! Democrats would TAKE more from me if it wasn't for Republican's. They raise taxes and spend trillions - its what they do and then complain someone else isn't paying enough lol

You are going to have to subtract the cost of the Trump tariffs. We don’t know how much that will be yet, but it will absolutely not be zero and it could easily wipe out your $2400 entirely.

p.s. As much as you hate rich Democrats I find it amusing that you support the OBBB that gives more money to rich Democrats and that you would actually prefer to eliminate the income tax and would replace it with a huge sales tax that would leave you with way less money and those rich Democrats with way more!

 

[AliHajiSheik]

Well, I just quoted you the IRS definition. What agency would be an authority on the definition other than the IRS?

My link is the IRS.

 

[George50]

just admit then that they don't pay their fair share - is that too much to ask ?



then leave it as it is - but NEVER say the rich don't pay their fair share

they pay so much more than their fair share its not even funny - this battle cry that Democrats started sounds great, its a giant lie

"the rich need to pay their fair share"


you know its a lie, right ?

I’ll play your game and say the poor pay so much more than their fair share its not even funny…but then I will be deceptive and not show the whole picture like you want to.

See the poor pay WAY more than the rich!!! Just admit it, is that too much to ask?