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How did we EVER get to a point where American pride, respect for the principles of liberty and honoring the continual fight to preserve that liberty has become a potential threat?
This CNN bit must have been Monday but I just saw the clip today. Don Lemon actually asked Gladys Knight if she was concerned that singing the National Anthem at the Super Bowl would hurt her career!
To her credit, she handled the question quite well. I'd have probably asked him if he was out of his damned mind.
How did we EVER get to a point where American pride, respect for the principles of liberty and honoring the continual fight to preserve that liberty has become a potential threat?
This CNN bit must have been Monday but I just saw the clip today. Don Lemon actually asked Gladys Knight if she was concerned that singing the National Anthem at the Super Bowl would hurt her career!
To her credit, she handled the question quite well. I'd have probably asked him if he was out of his damned mind.
How did we EVER get to a point where American pride, respect for the principles of liberty and honoring the continual fight to preserve that liberty has become a potential threat?
Well, it's pretty simple. The right-wing half of the country has decided that patriotism is all about singing songs, wearing colors, and waving flags and not about actually upholding the fundamental principles that made our nation great. The number of disgusting idiots who extol racism, xenophobia, sexism, and all-out sheer ignorance while wrapping themselves up tightly in the flag has made decent human beings not want to be associated with them.
Well, it's pretty simple. The right-wing half of the country has decided that patriotism is all about singing songs, wearing colors, and waving flags and not about actually upholding the fundamental principles that made our nation great. The number of disgusting idiots who extol racism, xenophobia, sexism, and all-out sheer ignorance while wrapping themselves up tightly in the flag has made decent human beings not want to be associated with them.
I don't know much about her, but she was by far, the only good part of the Superbowl. Everything else was garbage.
Totally agree. I thought she did a great job with the anthem! And that entire SB sucked ass.
American left is moderate right wing in the rest of the world..
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If you hate freedom then, in America, you are free to leave. You are not, however, going to be allowed to take away the freedoms that so many of us have fought to preserve.
Personally, I find it more than a little ironic that so many of you folks on the left cite right wing "hatred" as the justification for your own hatred of everyone you disagree with.
You just answered the OP's question...though probably not the way you wanted to.
Simply said, it's your attitude that supports Lemon's attitude.
Not all of us feel a need to act as if we're lemmings.
If you hate freedom then, in America, you are free to leave. You are not, however, going to be allowed to take away the freedoms that so many of us have fought to preserve.
Personally, I find it more than a little ironic that so many of you folks on the left cite right wing "hatred" as the justification for your own hatred of everyone you disagree with.
How did we EVER get to a point where American pride, respect for the principles of liberty and honoring the continual fight to preserve that liberty has become a potential threat?
****ing classic from a conservative. God, you people have absolutely no shame at all, just will spew any dumb **** you can. Right wingers are complete scum
Why don't you get out. Hey, how about all you racist conservatives that can't stand what America is all about leave the country. Go move to a theocracy you want to instill in the US
When we elected Donald Trump.
I don't know much about her, but she was by far, the only good part of the Superbowl. Everything else was garbage.
Bull****. It was a slide that was happening long before Trump. Bush and lapel flag pins and freedom fries. Obama’s derogatory comments about his opponents clinging to guns and religion.
even the game itself
How did we EVER get to a point where American pride, respect for the principles of liberty and honoring the continual fight to preserve that liberty has become a potential threat?
His point was that to the right patriotism is measured purely by how many flag stickers you have on your truck, how often you loudly recite the pledge in public, if you agree with Rush Limbaugh and other highly superficial things.
In reality, being a patriot is loving and defending your nation's principles and actively working to improve it. It has nothing to do with the faux showmanship patriotism done by people who care more about being seen as a "patriot" without doing anything to make their country better.
It's no different from the people that think going to church on Sunday and quoting Bible verses at people makes you a good Christian. Patriotism isn't about chest beating and public showmanship. As long as you measure patriotism by how many anthems someone has stood for you will always be dead wrong.
The irony of a Trump-bot saying this is just too hilarious.
She should of asked him if he thought being a partisan hack masquerading as an objective commentator would hurt his careerThis CNN bit must have been Monday but I just saw the clip today. Don Lemon actually asked Gladys Knight if she was concerned that singing the National Anthem at the Super Bowl would hurt her career!
To her credit, she handled the question quite well. I'd have probably asked him if he was out of his damned mind.
How did we EVER get to a point where American pride, respect for the principles of liberty and honoring the continual fight to preserve that liberty has become a potential threat?
This CNN bit must have been Monday but I just saw the clip today. Don Lemon actually asked Gladys Knight if she was concerned that singing the National Anthem at the Super Bowl would hurt her career!
To her credit, she handled the question quite well. I'd have probably asked him if he was out of his damned mind.
How did we EVER get to a point where American pride, respect for the principles of liberty and honoring the continual fight to preserve that liberty has become a potential threat?
It happened the moment we decided the whole thing was about making a political point, going so far as to use national pride as a wedge issue with the full intention to divide the nation along those lines. And honestly this is not new, the idea of national pride being a political wedge issue.
What "conservatives" need to quit pretending is that their brand of nationalism has the exclusive claim and definition on taking pride in one's nation. And we should also dispense with the rhetoric about the continual fight to preserve liberty, our liberty is being eroded with each passing President and Congress regardless of political party in charge to the point that protesting for freedom and better treatment means going up against the very institutions telling us to live with less liberty yet sing the national anthem to them as support.
Gladys Knight did handle Don Lemon's question quite well, which was rooted in two asinine ideas. That singing the national anthem means blind acceptance of all the things in this nation as they are and alignment with present government, or that kneeling for the national anthem means rejection of all things in this nation as they are.
You can have pride in one's nation, and sing the national anthem, without it being about accepting the point of view of political opposition. Calling this an "intellectual picket line" was using a wedge issue to make a bigger wedge about another issue.
At the same time, you can protest by kneeling during the national anthem and still have great love for one's nation. We have discussed in these forums before that very few were participating with or talking about Colin Kaepernick until we decided to inject so much politics into the issue everyone lost sight of why the protest started in the first place. Originally about police brutality, that should have been an issue gaining enough cross ideology support to address that issue. But hell no and in typical fashion, the politics of the national anthem moved the debate away from the reason. Trump, the media, Nike, and others did not do anything about the original issue but sure took the baton and ran with the wedge nature of what the debate became... all the while ignoring police brutality.
The ultimate conclusion is Gladys Knight did nothing wrong singing the national anthem and still has a place at the table of discussion, Colin Kaepernick also did nothing wrong in protesting the national anthem and also still has a place at the table of discussion.
Having Gladys Knight now be challenged on this shows how far off the rails the debate became. Conservative defined nationalism vs. a national anthem participation avoids the point in how we engage in issues we feel we should be discussing. That started with a protest about a real issue and ironically, is a showing of love for one's nation wanting to invoke discussion on that issue.
Colin Kaepernick may not have gone about this in a way you or I agree with, and Gladys Knight singing the national anthem may not settle well with people wanting a further wedge. But the issue remains, and it is wanting change for a nation's betterment.
The principles of our liberty includes protesting an injustice, that is showing love and respect for a nation where you can protest an injustice. Well... for now... until Trump convinces enough people that protesting the nation equates for not caring for a nation. And that brand of nationalism has historically proven conclusively to be a disaster.
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