How many school kids (gunned down) per year would it take for you to support repealing the 2nd?

[American]

You are an absolutist. A timid Timothy McVeigh. Your insults are the ravings of a zealot.

What do you call you comment? You just called him Tim McVeigh.

 

[reinaert]

Not for their improper use.

Yes, they can. Try getting FourLoco into your mouth.

 

[ttwtt78640]

No, there was never any question that people could own guns, everybody did & everybody need it, for hunting & defense. It was like making an amendment that guaranteed the right to own pants. It was the Forming up & training of a Militia that was Guaranteed by the Amendment. A repeating weapon like a Gatling never mind a Glock or AR15 would have been the stuff of science fiction & they certainly didn't envision anybody just slaughtering anybody for blood sport, especially children.

The founders didn’t envision telephones, radio, TV, eMail or the internet either, but that does not exempt them from free speech or warrantless search protections.

 

[American]

It can't be cumulative. If it was cumulative there would be movement by the 2a people. And it has to be the kids of 2a people. It's meaningless if it's non-2a kids. So it has to be all at once, and it has to be 2a kids.

My guess is that it would have to be about 10,000 2a kids all at once to move the needle.

Are you suggesting that this should happen?

 

[Rexedgar]

The lack of forceful entry is a usual procedure and is meant to save lives. There's no evidence that an abrupt breach wouldn't have killed more. The chief LEO on the scene uses their discretion and experience when making these calls.

I believe in this case, they should've engaged the shooter much sooner.

Post #337 contains one of the reasons there was hesitancy, imo.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Literally, there weren't even rounds when they wrote it.

And Dan'l Boone (and people like him) literally was alive and in his forties or fifties when the second amendment was written. What were they going to do? Take his guns away while he was tracking?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Do you ever notice people that are against guns either can't afford one, or don't want to get shot stealing from people's cars and homes?

Really?

 

[Rexedgar]

The founders didn’t envision telephones, radio, TV, eMail or the internet either, but that does not exempt them from free speech or warrantless search protections.

Isn’t that pretty much a straw man?

an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I think you guys are missing that 22 posters, you can see their names in the poll, have now gone record and said that they won't budge if 50 million school children were gunned down per year.

Let that sink in.

 

[jpevans]

I think you read into my post something I didn't say. I have no problem with voting at 18, I do have a problem with 18 year olds running around with AR15's.
Not sure why you questioned that.

I also think, using the same logic, that one shouldn't be allowed to go into military until 21. Sound right?

 

[jaeger19]

You folks seem to be inattentive readers of English. I'd suggest school, but I'm worried you might be groomed by the teacher you simultaneously think is an enemy of America and a necessary armed defender of children.

Hmm. Well I have gone as far as anyone can go in education.
And since my parents were teachers..and I am a teacher at the graduate level..I hardly consider them and myself " enemies of america".
But you have a nice morning...lol.

 

[American]

No, there was never any question that people could own guns, everybody did & everybody need it, for hunting & defense. It was like making an amendment that guaranteed the right to own pants. It was the Forming up & training of a Militia that was Guaranteed by the Amendment. A repeating weapon like a Gatling never mind a Glock or AR15 would have been the stuff of science fiction & they certainly didn't envision anybody just slaughtering anybody for blood sport, especially children.

You were saying??

 

[jaeger19]

I think you guys are missing that 22 posters, you can see their names in the poll, have now gone record and said that they won't budge if 50 million school children were gunned down per year.

Let that sink in.

Not at all. Since the repealing the 2nd amendment won't make kids safer.

 

[Rexedgar]

I think you guys are missing that 22 posters, you can see their names in the poll, have now gone record and said that they won't budge if 50 million school children were gunned down per year.

Let that sink in.

I can name that tune!

Alt least half of it!

 

[reinaert]

Hmm. Well I have gone as far as anyone can go in education.
And since my parents were teachers..and I am a teacher at the graduate level..I hardly consider them and myself " enemies of america".
But you have a nice morning...lol.

I read it when you wrote it earlier. I'm trying to suss out the disconnect. You launched into a race rant, and a screed about dogwhistles, which is telling, because you are arguing with gun owners who are not talking about race.

 

[Rexedgar]

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You were saying??

Same old trope.

 

[American]

Same old trope.

You misspelled "truth". Have a nice day.

 

[jpevans]

So why do you think 18 year olds have the mental capacity to choose the leaders that run the country but do not have the mental capacity to own a gun?

While a single vote can help a candidate, a single bullet can cut through flesh, bones , brains. But you knew that.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Not at all. Since the repealing the 2nd amendment won't make kids safer.

And yet 22 posters have said that if 50 million school kids were gunned down per year in our country they wouldn't consider repealing the second.

That's one of the reasons I started this thread. I wanted people to go on record.

 

[jaeger19]

I read it when you wrote it earlier. I'm trying to suss out the disconnect.

Well..thats why you have a disconnect.
Is America awash with firearms causing mass murder and crime..for which we need stringent gun control to fix.
Or us it a peaceful nation in which no one needs a firearm to protect themselves. ?
The anti gunners believe the us is both.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Post #337 contains one of the reasons there was hesitancy, imo.

Really? Does that mean armed criminals should be given up to an hour to shoot innocent civilians until “special” (qualified and equipped?) LEOs show up?

 

[Rexedgar]

I don’t think raising the age limit three years will have any effect.

 

[jaeger19]

And yet 22 posters have said that if 50 million school kids were gunned down per year in our country they wouldn't consider repealing the second.

That's one of the reasons I started this thread. I wanted people to go on record.

And why should they consider repealing the second when the issue of mass killing isn't the 2nd?

 

[Rexedgar]

You misspelled "truth". Have a nice day.

I/3


When there are wheels and tripods the weapons fall into the “crew served” category.

The Texas LEOs may well have advanced on those antiques, instead of calling for everything but close air support!

 

[Kreton]

Explain why...

The problem is not the gun, the problem is the people. Mental health, loss of community, increased isolation, bullying, hopelessness, a lack of respect for each other and lack of care for human lives in this country are the problem. Not guns. Ignoring the actual problem to push a political agenda doesn't stop killings.

If someone reaches a point where they are going to try to kill as many people as possible they will find a gun. They will make a bomb. They will do quite a number of others things that can cause mass murder. Whether they get the gun legally or illegally doesn't change the outcome. No one is deterred from committing mass homicide because they are worried about the penalty for having a firearm illegally. Not one person.

The fact that so many Americans have the desire to kill so many people is the problem that is ignored by both parties so the conversation can stay on guns. Society is causing these problems and rather than trying to solve them people demand political action and point fingers.