How many Republicans do you think understand the basic scheme in trump's attempted coup?

[reflechissez]

It's an anecdote, but I think her viewpoint is unfortunately pretty common. People are more worried about the price of gas and groceries and don't appreciate how fragile our democracy has become - and in some cases, I have to wonder if people even value democracy at all. I think a lot of people just assume that it doesn't matter. There's a malignant cynicism that is festering and threatening to destroy the entire system.

Many people can worry about more than one thing at a time.

 

[multivita-man]

You have to PROVE THAT CASE

So far you are a country mile from even coming close

You do realize that, right.....

Conjecture and speculation mean NOTHING....

Prove all of this conspiratorial crap.....put all the jigsaw pieces together so the people can see the WHOLE picture

Right now the committee can told us they are going to put together this 1000 piece puzzle and it will all make sense at the end

Well a shitload of pieces arent even on the board yet.....the border isnt complete, and the rest is a huge mess

So make the case.....fill in all the rest.....that is what the committee has promised.....all the pieces

Best of luck.....

You wrote all that just tell us you haven't watched the hearings. We figured. Let us know when you're done burying your head in the sand.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Honest question...who cares?

I don't know anyone off the interweb that truly cares a single iota about the Jan 6th pomp and circumstance.

Sad that Americans do not care about the most serious attack on American Democracy since the Civil War. The first attempted coup in our history.

Sad that you refuse to even do your patriotic duty and look at the evidence.

This is a sad time in American History.

 

[reflechissez]

You have to PROVE THAT CASE

So far you are a country mile from even coming close

You do realize that, right.....

Conjecture and speculation mean NOTHING....

Prove all of this conspiratorial crap.....put all the jigsaw pieces together so the people can see the WHOLE picture

Right now the committee can told us they are going to put together this 1000 piece puzzle and it will all make sense at the end

Well a shitload of pieces arent even on the board yet.....the border isnt complete, and the rest is a huge mess

So make the case.....fill in all the rest.....that is what the committee has promised.....all the pieces

Best of luck.....

Meh. You've already decided that there's nothing to see here. Almost all of your posts are "nuh uh."

 

[multivita-man]

Many people can worry about more than one thing at a time.

True.

I'm just saying, I think that the sentiment that @BirdinHand express is a pretty common one. I care, and you care, but a lot don't. I think she's unfortunately quite correct.

A lot of people think this is just politics. A lot of people think that January the 6th was just a protest gone too far. Then again a lot of people feel January 6th didn't go far enough.

This country is circling the drain because too many people don't understand what they're about to lose. They think the economy and stock market and their world will go right on as if nothing happened, no matter if Joe Biden wins the next election, loses the next election, or gets removed from office via military coup. There is a serious, serious problem with ignorance in this country about things we cannot afford to be ignorant about.

 

[Fletch]

He was pressuring Pence to exercise a power that he doesn't have. The result of this would have been stealing an election from the American people.

Pence didnt have that power and didnt attempt to exercise it

 

[Fletch]

No, in answer to your question. Trump conspired with Eastman to violate the Constitution and subvert an election. Will he be charged...who knows. Doesn't change the facts.

Conspired??? LOL. Everything is a CT to you libs. Trump found a lawyer who convinced him Pence could step in in some way and Trump tried to persuade Pence to do so. Pence refused. No conspiracy. No crime. Just more left wing Trump spasms.

 

[Craig234]

Sad that Americans do not care about the most serious attack on American Democracy since the Civil War. The first attempted coup in our history.

As I've said before, this is a MORE serious attack on our democracy than the civil war. The confederacy simply wanted to leave the country, not overthrow the Union or take away its democracy. The civil war was worse insofar as loss of life, but not as a threat to our democracy.

 

[Deuce]

Pence didnt have that power and didnt attempt to exercise it

Yes, but we're talking about Trump's actions.

 

[Callen]

Conspired??? LOL. Everything is a CT to you libs. Trump found a lawyer who convinced him Pence could step in in some way and Trump tried to persuade Pence to do so. Pence refused. No conspiracy. No crime. Just more left wing Trump spasms.

I had forgotten how having an intelligent conversation with you was impossible...it's all coming back!

 

[Deuce]

Conspired??? LOL. Everything is a CT to you libs. Trump found a lawyer who convinced him Pence could step in in some way and Trump tried to persuade Pence to do so. Pence refused. No conspiracy. No crime. Just more left wing Trump spasms.

Except that was all based on lies. Eastman explicitly told them to commit a crime. In writing. From a government email account.

 

[Antiwar]

It sounds like we're getting some answer to the thread question - that Republicans do not understand the schemes to steal the election. Despite it being spelled out for them in this thread. You can lead a horse to water...

With respect:

They understand it. They approve of it because they believe they are entitled to rule.

 

[reflechissez]

True.

I'm just saying, I think that the sentiment that @BirdinHand express is a pretty common one. I care, and you care, but a lot don't. I think she's unfortunately quite correct.

A lot of people think this is just politics. A lot of people think that January the 6th was just a protest gone too far. Then again a lot of people feel January 6th didn't go far enough.

This country is circling the drain because too many people don't understand what they're about to lose. They think the economy and stock market and their world will go right on as if nothing happened, no matter if Joe Biden wins the next election, loses the next election, or gets removed from office via military coup. There is a serious, serious problem with ignorance in this country about things we cannot afford to be ignorant about.

ok

 

[Craig234]

They understand it. They approve of it because they believe they are entitled to rule.

I agree the few who do don't care, but can you quote three Republican posters here who show they do understand?

 

[Deuce]

I agree the few who do don't care, but can you quote three Republican posters here who show they do understand?

They don't show it. They lie and pretend not to understand it.

They all know Trump tried to steal the election. They have to tell these lies because openly saying "yeah I want Trump in office even though he lost" shows everyone how monstrous they really are. They want that mask to stay on until the gulags are ready to go.

 

[Antiwar]

I agree the few who do don't care, but can you quote three Republican posters here who show they do understand?

With respect:

Probably not, because conservatism is about being post-fact, post-truth, and trolling.

 

[Craig234]

Probably not, because conservatism is about being post-fact, post-truth, and trolling.

Yup, but you said you think Republicans understand, so I'm asking for evidence of that.

 

[Fletch]

I had forgotten how having an intelligent conversation with you was impossible...it's all coming back!

No, you just suck at arguing your points

 

[Fletch]

Except that was all based on lies. Eastman explicitly told them to commit a crime. In writing. From a government email account.

Got a link to these emails where he told people to commit a crime?

 

[Bear5131]

How many Republicans do you think understand the basic scheme in trump's attempted coup?​

• Thread starterCraig234
• Start dateToday at 11:40 AM

Their was no coup, Trump is not smart enough to have planned one

 

[Deuce]

Got a link to these emails where he told people to commit a crime?

John Eastman asked for '1 more relatively minor violation' of election law in wake of Jan. 6 attack: VP aide

The Trump lawyer, who pleaded the fifth 100 times, was still badgering Pence's team even after the Capitol had been stormed and subsequently cleared.

www.businessinsider.com

"So now that the precedent has been set that the Electoral Count Act is not quite so sacrosanct as was previously claimed, I implore you to consider one more relatively minor violation and adjourn for 10 days to allow the legislatures to finish their investigations, as well as to allow a full forensic audit of the massive amount of illegal activity that has occurred here," Eastman wrote.

Note that the email was shown live during the Jan 6 committee and its veracity was testified to under oath by the man he sent it to. Claiming this email is fake will get you laughed at.

 

[Bullseye]

From what I see, it seems Republicans understand one thing - that a trump rally mob rioted at the Capitol, and Democrats are complaining.

To them, the issues are, was trump responsible for the mob doing that? Most say no. trump himself just said it was a 'protest that got out of control' like was surprised and didn't approve; and how 'bad' it was, from 'just tourists', or the Republican Party's official claim it was 'legitimate political discourse', to trump's 'protest', to Tucker Carlson's 'riot but not insurrection', or what.

So let's review a couple of main points about the actual issue they seem to show no awareness of.

In our system, basically, voters vote, and states count the votes, and certify results, and name slates of electors to meet on a certain date and officially cast the votes for the candidate who was declared to win the popular vote.

"Federal law sets the Monday after the second Wednesday in December in presidential election years as the date when electors meet."

Now, there can be confusion even about this. Electors could be people who decide on their own who should be president and vote. Electors could vote differently, like some for trump and some for Biden. But this isn't how it's done in modern times.

Here's a key point in how it works that trump tried to exploit: the constitution gives state governments the power to choose who to support for president how they want, with minimal restrictions. The state legislature COULD simply have the legislature vote for who they support and not even have popular elections. People think the constitution guarantees them the right to vote who is president - it doesn't. But states have adopted the practice of popular elections. Normally that's not controversial.

So, why if a state votes 60-40 for Biden, don't they send 60% electors for Biden and 40% for trump? Because states feel that a 'winner take all' system makes their votes carry more weight, and makes candidates try harder to get their votes. If going from 45% to 55% got you 10% more votes, why bother, but if it changed all the votes, they care more.

That's just a basic 'how it works' in case people didn't know. And after the electors vote in December, there is a ceremonial counting of the votes the constitution orders on January 6 at 1:00 PM. It's done in a joint session presided over by the President of the Senate, who is the Vice-President. This can result in the Vice-President declaring their opponent the victor, as it did for Pence and Gore.

It might be a minor news clip showing video of Gore announcing Bush and Cheney the victors, all the more poignant when they stole the election, but it's not usually controversial.

However, trump had creative lawyers come up with ideas for exploiting weaknesses in the system, and they identified two options. Both included exploiting the ceremonial process of the Vice-President announcing the count of the votes, having him do that dishonestly.

Since there was no coup your answer is:

ZERO​

Clear enough

 

[Lisa]

Do you ever get tired of posting such false and stupid comments?

Your beliefs don't determine what is factual. The attack on the US Capital on 06 January was an attempt to subvert the election, and for Trump to stay in power. Trump's claims about election fraud are lies, but you still believe them.

 

[Callen]

No, you just suck at arguing your points

If you say so.

 

[BirdinHand]

True.

I'm just saying, I think that the sentiment that @BirdinHand express is a pretty common one. I care, and you care, but a lot don't. I think she's unfortunately quite correct.

A lot of people think this is just politics. A lot of people think that January the 6th was just a protest gone too far. Then again a lot of people feel January 6th didn't go far enough.

This country is circling the drain because too many people don't understand what they're about to lose. They think the economy and stock market and their world will go right on as if nothing happened, no matter if Joe Biden wins the next election, loses the next election, or gets removed from office via military coup. There is a serious, serious problem with ignorance in this country about things we cannot afford to be ignorant about.

Let it all burn down.

Heck, I hope it does.