How many of you are tired of choosing the lesser of two evils for President?

[Ouroboros]

Ok


It all true. 100%.

Still all propaganda, and not even good propaganda.

But again, you're just trying to distract from the fact that Kamala Harris has no qualifications for the highest office in the land, except the one you brought up earlier, that she's female.

Instead of spreading lies based on your partisan prejudices, why don't you cite some of the things KH has said, in order that you might indicate her mental acuity?

I suggest you don't start with the tautologies like "the children of the community are the children of the community."

 

[BabaVoss]

Still all propaganda, and not even good propaganda.

There is nothing misleading or untrue.

But again, you're just trying to distract from the fact that Kamala Harris has no qualifications for the highest office in the land, except the one you brought up earlier, that she's female.

Other than her years of service as a prosecutor, DA, State AG, Senator, and Vive President. Her experience prepares he to be President far better than Doniald’s lifetime of grift and controversy. Kind of surprised any Trumper would invite such a direct comparison.

Instead of spreading lies based on your partisan prejudices, why don't you cite some of the things KH has said, in order that you might indicate her mental acuity?

You have yet to cite a lie. Her mental acuity is on display every time she speaks - as opposed to Felon Donald, who does “the weave” as people scratch their heads and wonder what’s wrong with him. No one noses what he is talking about, and people are beginning to understand the he doesn’t either.

I suggest you don't start with the tautologies like "the children of the community are the children of the community."

I value your suggestions accordingly.

 

[L88]

Since 2016 I've been writing in my nextdoor neighbor, Thad.
And will again this year
Nice middle class, hard working family man, 2 daughters and his wife is a HS teacher.

 

[madman]

I’m getting really tired of choosing the lesser of two evils. I really don’t like voting against someone. I want a candidate that sounds reasonable. I want to vote for someone who inspires me. I want to have hope for the future of this country. I’d like to see two leading candidates from opposing parties say, “you know what, I don’t agree with his policies, but he’s a smart reasonable guy. I bet if we worked together we could get things done.” And then run a campaign like we’ve never seen before. I’d like to see them run on an actual platform that they show the country, complete with actual details that form a cohesive vision for a better America. And then be able to intelligently debate the details of their plan with whoever asks. Admittedly that doesn’t have to be a republican and a democrat on the same ticket, but just think what kind of message that would send to the American people. That they are above the partisan politics and are really serious about looking at all the points of view and then finding common ground and getting things done that make America better. Is it not time for that.

this poll is geared towards republicans, AMIRITE?

 

[Ouroboros]

There is nothing misleading or untrue.

Still hot garbage from start to finish. But I know that anyone who endorses such drivel is not going to be able to defend it, so I'm happy to just keep pointing it out.

Other than her years of service as a prosecutor, DA, State AG, Senator, and Vive President. Her experience prepares he to be President far better than Doniald’s lifetime of grift and controversy. Kind of surprised any Trumper would invite such a direct comparison.

Yes, "years of service" that include Cameldung putting dozens of Black drug-users in prison for smoking joints. What stellar experience! If trump had done anything like that, the Left would call him an irredeemable racist. But it's OK that Cameldung did it, because she's a Lefty.

You have yet to cite a lie. Her mental acuity is on display every time she speaks - as opposed to Felon Donald, who does “the weave” as people scratch their heads and wonder what’s wrong with him. No one noses what he is talking about, and people are beginning to understand the he doesn’t either.

Most of Cameldung's lies are those of omissions, where, for instance, she won't admit having boosted the numbers of illegals during the Biden-Harris regime. But if you want an outright lie, she like Biden falsely accused Trump of supporting white supremacists by reviving the debunked Charlottesville Hoax. There's no untruth Trump has spoken that's more ultimately contemptuous of the American people.

I value your suggestions accordingly.

This statement assumes you are able to determine values yourself, rather than simply aping the MSM.

 

[Tangmo]

Since 2016 I've been writing in my nextdoor neighbor, Thad.
And will again this year
Nice middle class, hard working family man, 2 daughters and his wife is a HS teacher.

As Harris says, Donald Trump is an unserious man who imposes serious consequences. I would add that Trump is has plenty of unserious company throughout the United States.

The only way to stop Trump electorally is to vote for Harris.

Not voting for Harris means the voter is perfectly willing to accept Trump as President and Commander in Chief. Trump of course is a jerk. And proud of it indeed.

 

[BabaVoss]

Still hot garbage from start to finish. But I know that anyone who endorses such drivel is not going to be able to defend it, so I'm happy to just keep pointing it out.

It’s all still true. So thanks for highlighting it.

As for the rest, it’s amazing how such a nice, innocent guy like Trump manages to get into so much trouble. These ‘hoaxes’ just seem to really plague the poor guy, for most of his life.

 

[L88]

As Harris says, Donald Trump is an unserious man who imposes serious consequences. I would add that Trump is has plenty of unserious company throughout the United States.

The only way to stop Trump electorally is to vote for Harris.

Not voting for Harris means the voter is perfectly willing to accept Trump as President and Commander in Chief. Trump of course is a jerk. And proud of it indeed.

Not in the state of mo.
Your statement is true only for swing states.
Trump is a jerk.
And I find Harris potentially as threatening as Trump, though in a different way.

 

[Tangmo]

Not in the state of mo.
Your statement is true only for swing states.
Trump is a jerk.
And I find Harris potentially as threatening as Trump, though in a different way.

I didn't say otherwise because I know better than to say otherwise.

Still the national aggregate PV is significant while the EV is decisive. I say this to alert voters in states such as MO that are solid one way or the other. That is, in MO and other red states voting for Harris adds to her aggregate PV nationally which is a positive factor for her and her party. There's a lot of continuing discussion of how Republicans keep losing the PV in the national aggregate vote of the 50 states plus D.C. And as I say, this is significant in the American democracy that needs reform in the election of the Potus/C'nC.

You are also wrong about your view and understanding of Harris as being some kind of equivalent with Trump but "in a different way." There's just no way Harris and Trump share any kind of equivalency.

 

[L88]

I

I didn't say otherwise because I know better than to say otherwise.

Still the national aggregate PV is significant while the EV is decisive. I say this to alert voters in states such as MO that are solid one way or the other. That is, in MO and other red states voting for Harris adds to her aggregate PV nationally which is a positive factor for her and her party. There's a lot of continuing discussion of how Republicans keep losing the PV in the national aggregate vote of the 50 states plus D.C. And as I say, this is significant in the American democracy that needs reform in the election of the Potus/C'nC.

You are also wrong about your view and understanding of Harris as being some kind of equivalent with Trump but "in a different way." There's just no way Harris and Trump share any kind of equivalency.

f you go to a PV, candidates would only campaign and care about 4 largest states. Actually it would come down to just the largest metro areas.

The US would become a giant version of Illinois.

Thats the reason for the ev.

It's bad enough with just a 7 swing states.

 

[Ouroboros]

As Harris says, Donald Trump is an unserious man who imposes serious consequences. I would add that Trump is has plenty of unserious company throughout the United States.

The only way to stop Trump electorally is to vote for Harris.

Not voting for Harris means the voter is perfectly willing to accept Trump as President and Commander in Chief. Trump of course is a jerk. And proud of it indeed.

Unserious candidates, huh?

"The children of the community-- are the children of the community."

 

[Ouroboros]

It’s all still true. So thanks for highlighting it.

As for the rest, it’s amazing how such a nice, innocent guy like Trump manages to get into so much trouble. These ‘hoaxes’ just seem to really plague the poor guy, for most of his life.

Still highlighting the pathetic desperation of all Mad Libs.

 

[BabaVoss]

Still highlighting the pathetic desperation of all Mad Libs.

By “Mad Libs” you mean most Americans.

 

[Tangmo]

I
f you go to a PV, candidates would only campaign and care about 4 largest states. Actually it would come down to just the largest metro areas.

The US would become a giant version of Illinois.

Thats the reason for the ev.

It's bad enough with just a 7 swing states.

Your post is off center by a mile.

Looking only at the states by total population, nine states together have more than 50% of the US population: CA, TX, FL, NY, IL, PA, OH, GA and North Carolina. Adding up their population, they contain more than 51% of the total US population.

However, these states together only have 221 of the 270 electoral votes needed to elect a President.

In fact, to get to 270 or more electoral votes, you need four more states -- MI, NJ, VA, and one of WA, AZ, MA, IN, or TN. Together, these 13 states would have 61% of the total population of the USA.

However, if you start from the smallest states and work up, you can pass 270 electoral votes by taking states with only 40.4% of the total population of the USA. This is minority rule.

So your it's as simple as that post misses the whole of it. According to Pew, even 46% of Republicans also want to ditch the EC. Overall and again from Pew, 63% of Americans want to dump the EC; only 34% want to keep the sucker. Indeed, I am the conservative who is for democracy to include continuing to extend democracy it as per post the Civil War amendments and the Supreme Court's advances in this respect. This is while your Supreme MAGA Court is hellbent to leap back to the pre Civil War America. MAGAs with the Trump favorite Elon Musk want a do-over of the War.

 

[L88]

Your post is off center by a mile.

Looking only at the states by total population, nine states together have more than 50% of the US population: CA, TX, FL, NY, IL, PA, OH, GA and North Carolina. Adding up their population, they contain more than 51% of the total US population.

However, these states together only have 221 of the 270 electoral votes needed to elect a President.

In fact, to get to 270 or more electoral votes, you need four more states -- MI, NJ, VA, and one of WA, AZ, MA, IN, or TN. Together, these 13 states would have 61% of the total population of the USA.

However, if you start from the smallest states and work up, you can pass 270 electoral votes by taking states with only 40.4% of the total population of the USA. This is minority rule.

So your it's as simple as that post misses the whole of it. According to Pew, even 46% of Republicans also want to ditch the EC. Overall and again from Pew, 63% of Americans want to dump the EC; only 34% want to keep the sucker. Indeed, I am the conservative who is for democracy to include continuing to extend democracy it as per post the Civil War amendments and the Supreme Court's advances in this respect. This is while your Supreme MAGA Court is hellbent to leap back to the pre Civil War America. MAGAs with the Trump favorite Elon Musk want a do-over of the War.

I have no problem with the EV.
Those states are over represented in the house going by your argument.
Everybody knows the rules. Except Hillary.
Oh, it's not going to change so this is a wasted exercise.

 

[Tangmo]

Unserious candidates, huh?

"The children of the community-- are the children of the community."

Trump and MAGAs have always exploited democracy to destroy democracy.

This will not stop until there is the fanatically sought Triumph of the Will 2.0

MAGA !

 

[Tangmo]

I have no problem with the EV.
Those states are over represented in the house going by your argument.
Everybody knows the rules. Except Hillary.
Oh, it's not going to change so this is a wasted exercise.

There's broad agreement the EC won't ever be changed by normal and regular Constitutional processes. This is due to the red states large and small becoming MAGA states. The red states out West are the ones that killed the Equal Rights Amendment back in the 1970s. And yes, there's nothing much to be gained to debate about the EC vs. the PV.

Wyoming which is the least populated state has representation in the US House while the more populous District of Columbia does not. That and much worse is your ensconced EC and its repeated minority rule that is now by MAGAs.

 

[L88]

There's broad agreement the EC won't ever be changed by normal and regular Constitutional processes. This is due to the red states large and small becoming MAGA states. The red states out West are the ones that killed the Equal Rights Amendment back in the 1970s. And yes, there's nothing much to be gained to debate about the EC vs. the PV.

Wyoming which is the least populated state has representation in the US House while the more populous District of Columbia does not. That and much worse is your ensconced EC and its repeated minority rule that is now by MAGAs.

Oh dear....

 

[Ouroboros]

By “Mad Libs” you mean most Americans.

Let's see if "most Americans" buy into the falsehoods of the Harris-Walz ticket.

Of course, thanks to the electoral college a majority is not strictly necessary. Poor Hillary, forever mourning a Presidency that never was.

 

[BabaVoss]

Let's see if "most Americans" buy into the falsehoods of the Harris-Walz ticket.

If ‘falsehoods’ were concerning to you, you would not be a trumper.

 

[Ouroboros]

Trump and MAGAs have always exploited democracy to destroy democracy.

This will not stop until there is the fanatically sought Triumph of the Will 2.0

MAGA !

I'm surprised you didn't interject a gratuitous mention of Project 2025.

 

[BabaVoss]

I'm surprised you didn't interject a gratuitous mention of Project 2025.

Have you read it? Does it describe an America you want to see?

 

[Ouroboros]

If ‘falsehoods’ were concerning to you, you would not be a trumper.

It's not a falsehood that roughly fifty percent of the population favors Trump, and that Harris has not eaten into that demographic with her constant dodging and weaving.

 

[Ouroboros]

Have you read it? Does it describe an America you want to see?

It's irrelevant because it doesn't represent the platform of the current Republican candidate, except in the minds of Mad Libs.

 

[Tangmo]

I'm surprised you didn't interject a gratuitous mention of Project 2025.

The major strategy of Putin-MAGAs-Trump has always been to exploit democracy to destroy democracy. Vote For Me To Stop THEM Being Free! Voting yes.

All previous movements of bizzarros have been subregional or regional. George Wallace was never able to win more than 5 states in the armband South and 14% of the national PV, which was in 1968, the year that began a 25 year stop to domestic progress in America. Ross Perot in 1992 won no states but got 20% of the national PV which gained him nothing except to fizzle completely in 1996 as the Clintons blew Perot out for good.

Putin-Trump-MAGA are the first and unprecedented America haters to exist significantly on the national scale. In 2016 The Troika snagged 306 EV's and 46% of the PV. In 2020 The Troika got 232 EV's and 46%. In this election the Putin-MAGA-Trump Troika needs to get more than 46% of the PV to prevail.

In 2020 The Troika of Putin-MAGAs-Trump got more votes than in 2016 when they won but their losing percentage of the 2020 PV remained the same at 46%. So while Trump does waaaay better than Wallace and Perot, he's a forty-six percenter unless he proves otherwise. Indeed, in 2020 Biden got 51% of those who voted.

Trump's three monkeys Ghost Vote that shows up when the voting begins can't get him past 46%. It's highly unlikely his getting 47% this time will do it for him either. Trump needs to make a 3-4 point leap in the PV. Third party voters of all kind have ruled themselves out when it comes to Trump.