How many of you are tired of choosing the lesser of two evils for President?

[Bighorn66]

This will be my 3rd election in a row where i will NOT be voting top of the ticket

I will vote rest of the ballot....especially in a number of local initiatives

Our state races are going to be close....

But in good conscience, i cant vote for Trump and refuse to vote for Harris

Two piles of crap, one just smells slightly worse than the other

Hear, hear.

It’ll be my 3rd third party vote. And I’ll be voting for someone completely unqualified. But it’s the best way for me to make noise about my dissatisfaction.

 

[mississippiboy]

I don't consider Harris evil. The malignant narcissist scumbag piece of shit liar grifter rapist seditionist felon and tax cheat on the other hand is a miserable greedy **** who should be in jail.

Can you expand on how Ms. Harris is evil?

I'm mystified by your false equivalence between Harris and Trump.

Thanks in advance.

It was an expression. But all I meant was if there was an actual primary with reasonable alternatives to Kamala then I doubt she would’ve gotten the nomination. Certainly not my vote. But yet again I’ve got to vote, not for a candidate that gives me hope for the future, but against a candidate who would probably cause global chaos. Kamala is not the president we need. But she’s better than the alternative. And the American people deserve better than that

 

[Lycanthrope]

Why do you believe Kamala Harris is the best person out of hundreds of millions of citizens to be President?

Because with the system as it stands Harris is the only one with a chance to defeat Donald. She has the money and the backing of the Democratic party. Millions of citizens? Get out of here - only the monied elite/politically connected have any chance of even running for POTUS, let alone winning.

Defeating Donald is enough of a reason to vote for Harris. You disagree, and that's fine.

 

[The AntiDonald]

what you're really wanting is a strong 3rd party

but Democrats and Republican parties block that at every turn


lets be honest - RFK would have destroyed Trump and Kamala on stage had he been allowed to be there. And they know it

Then I suggest you and all your friends vote for RFK Jr.

 

[BirdinHand]

20+ years in hiring people for jobs and I’ve yet to find a “perfect” candidate or perfect person.

I don’t hold any different expectations for politicians.

I try to vote for the person I feel is most likely to achieve the objectives I want to see achieved.



No more, no less

 

[Lycanthrope]

But yet again I’ve got to vote, not for a candidate that gives me hope for the future, but against a candidate who would probably cause global chaos. Kamala is not the president we need. But she’s better than the alternative.

Perfectly legitimate, given the circumstances.

 

[The AntiDonald]

We have as many choices as there are eligible citizens. The DNC says so is not a compelling reason to me, but you do you.

Then you obviously don't care who wins. There are only two winnable choices, period.

 

[Slartibartfast]

My preference would be for someone like Elizabeth Warren but unfortunately that’s a long shot.

 

[Napoleon]

Then you obviously don't care who wins. There are only two winnable choices, period.

You’ve been brainwashed by the RNC and DNC to believe that, but it isn’t true.

 

[Napoleon]

My preference would be for someone like Elizabeth Warren but unfortunately that’s a long shot.

Seems a lot of people prefer platitudes over actions and results so Warren doesn’t stand a chance in the party.

 

[The AntiDonald]

You’ve been brainwashed by the RNC and DNC to believe that, but it isn’t true.

Tell us how anyone other than Harris or Trump can win this election? I never said it was perfect. It's just the reality.

I suppose if you could get around 80M people to all vote for the same third-party candidate, it's possible. Those don't seem like very good odds.

 

[mississippiboy]

What is the alternative to "the lesser of two evils"? "The greater of two goods?" That's actually the same thing because every election features at least two candidates, one of whom will be better than the other.

The statement "the lesser of two evils" is a rhetorical way of checking out of the thinking process while still (kind of) sounding in tune to it.

Oh I’m sorry. I thought elections were supposed to be open. I thought they usually started with 4-8 people or more and then the choices were gradually narrowed down to the two nominees. You’re probably right. Each party should just give us who they want to have it and then we pick between the two. SMH

I wasn’t attacking Kamala. But I can. As it is, I’m just disappointed in the choices we were given-again

 

[Cardinal]

Oh I’m sorry. I thought elections were supposed to be open. I thought they usually started with 4-8 people or more and then the choices were gradually narrowed down to the two nominees. You’re probably right. Each party should just give us who they want to have it and then we pick between the two. SMH

I wasn’t attacking Kamala. But I can. As it is, I’m just disappointed in the choices we were given-again

Oh, so this is an attack on the two party system? You need to catch up with Duverger.

 

[watsup]

I knew when Trump won the Republican primary, I wasn't going to support Biden, a failed president. I had voted for someone else in the CA. primary, but have been told by the forum peanut choir that I didn't. Funny, how some lie willingly. There's a reason for that. It's called TDS.

No, I am not tired of it. The people put Trump democratically on the Republican ballot. Biden was put on the Republican ballot because he got 14 million votes, and then it all changed... The poor Democrats forced him out because they couldn't win. And then we all know what happened next. They passed the baton, and reinvented who Kamala Harris really is to beat Trump. The only reason people are voting for her is because she isn't Trump. They don't even care that she isn't qualified. She's not him. I do not think Trump is the lesser of two evils. He's clearly better qualified to lead the country than the DNC's puppet.

More crazy conspiracy theory.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Oh I’m sorry. I thought elections were supposed to be open. I thought they usually started with 4-8 people or more and then the choices were gradually narrowed down to the two nominees. You’re probably right. Each party should just give us who they want to have it and then we pick between the two. SMH

I wasn’t attacking Kamala. But I can. As it is, I’m just disappointed in the choices we were given-again

You're not alone. But the sane people look at it pragmatically. We can't change the past. It is what it is. We vote for who we think will be better for all the people.

 

[Rexedgar]

Harris would not have been my first choice. I wasn’t looking forward to voting among those two,but had Biden been strapped to a gurney, he would have gotten my vote. I’m 72, I don’t think we get our collective head out of our ass in my life-time. That being said, 2020 was a repudiation of the “what do you have to lose” candidate and he has only gotten more unhinged.
A montage of Trump’s 2024 rallies should disqualify him, but so should everything after the Hollywood Access tape.

20+ years in hiring people for jobs and I’ve yet to find a “perfect” candidate or perfect person.

I don’t hold any different expectations for politicians.

I try to vote for the person I feel is most likely to achieve the objectives I want to see achieved.



No more, no less

I know what Trump will do. My hope is that Harris won’t break up the china right off and steer the ship out of the peril

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Where is it written? Who says so?

Either Trump or Harris will be next president. That is a binary choice. You can vote for whoever you want to write in, and it won't change that.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

We have as many choices as there are eligible citizens. The DNC says so is not a compelling reason to me, but you do you.

Well, since the DNC is not an omniscient deity that can read the minds and hearts of every natural born American over the age of 35 in order to select the best one....

 

[mississippiboy]

The two party system is shit. It's even more shit now since one of the two parties lost its ****ing mind.

That’s true. We need a legitimate third party. And the only way we can do that is if we can pass some sort of legislation to limit big money controlling everything. I think a good start would be recognising that corporations are not people. They shouldn’t have the constitutional protections that citizens have. I may be wrong, but that could be a way to limit their control. There’s options. But the only way to really make a change is to hold these people accountable at the ballot.

A third party candidate has always produced better debates because the third person keeps the other two talking about the issues in detail instead of the talking points. Neither of our choices has a plan. Their only plan is win. There’s no details. No one is talking about how they’re going to make things better. Neither of them talked about the climate. Neither said how they were going to address the national debt, Russia, China, North Korea….

Presidents used to have a mandate after an election because they ran on a platform. A platform that consisted of an actual plan with details about what they would do and how. Then after they won the election, congress would pony up because the election basically proved to our government what we wanted to happen. We voted for the platform as much as the person. But now, there is no plan. There’s just sound bites to make it look like they’ve got a plan, with no details.

And of all the politicians all around this country, I find it hard to believe that there’s not one person with a plan. I’m gonna come up with my own platform and put it on here and let you vote on it. If you like it you can write me in come election day. I’m going to call it the common sense party platform

 

[CaughtInThe]

Biden and Harris are almost exactly in line with my views.

And anyone that thinks you can only get a politician that's perfect is either nuts or a rookie.

 

[Helix]

That’s true. We need a legitimate third party. And the only way we can do that is if we can pass some sort of legislation to limit big money controlling everything. I think a good start would be recognising that corporations are not people. They shouldn’t have the constitutional protections that citizens have. I may be wrong, but that could be a way to limit their control. There’s options. But the only way to really make a change is to hold these people accountable at the ballot.

A third party candidate has always produced better debates because the third person keeps the other two talking about the issues in detail instead of the talking points. Neither of our choices has a plan. Their only plan is win. There’s no details. No one is talking about how they’re going to make things better. Neither of them talked about the climate. Neither said how they were going to address the national debt, Russia, China, North Korea….

Presidents used to have a mandate after an election because they ran on a platform. A platform that consisted of an actual plan with details about what they would do and how. Then after they won the election, congress would pony up because the election basically proved to our government what we wanted to happen. We voted for the platform as much as the person. But now, there is no plan. There’s just sound bites to make it look like they’ve got a plan, with no details.

And of all the politicians all around this country, I find it hard to believe that there’s not one person with a plan. I’m gonna come up with my own platform and put it on here and let you vote on it. If you like it you can write me in come election day. I’m going to call it the common sense party platform

Overturning Citizens United and setting up ranked choice voting federally would at least be steps in the right direction. I don't expect either to happen during my lifetime.

 

[JerryW]

I'm old. By my 2nd presidential election I learned it was always about the better choice - between the two major party candidates. Never has been a personal hero. Never has been perfect.

Want a 3rd party? Start with local elections including the US House of Reps.

The Tea Party did become very powerful though never broadened their appeal enough to make it an equal (tho I think the major divisions in today's GOP is related to what the Tea Party has attempted to do.)

 

[nota bene]

I’m voting for myself this time around. You should do the same if you’re that passionate about not being bamboozled by both major parties into believing they are the only options.

If your screen name weren't "Napoleon," I'd write you in.

 

[JerryW]

Well the DNC is saying so now....
We know why she of all people was picked to be Biden's VP. She fulfilled the requirement to be the first black woman VP. This was a woman the voters overwhelmingly rejected in the 2019 primary election. Why? Because she is too far left on the political scale and a poor communicator. She couldn't even manage to get out of IA without losing.

She has never won a primary election for the president. Again, she was hand picked, chosen by the DNC, her puppet masters because she fulfills the Democratic Party's wacky agenda to have the first black woman president. They don't care how stupid she is, they don't care that she wasn't chosen in the Democratic Party primaries. They don't care that she flip-flopped from her politics of 2019-'20. They don't care about her illiteracy when it comes to sound policy. They don't care about her lack of communication with the press corps.They remade her into a moderate, and most of us know who she really is. Someone with a voting record further to the left of leftwing progressive, Bernie Sanders. She is their puppet candidate and by golly they think she is THE ONE capable of winning it all because SHE ISN'T TRUMP. The stupid woman is a Manchurian candidate, a fraud, unauthentic to her very core. She is a far left progressive tricking the electorate, deliberately lying, attempting to sell to them that she is a sage moderate. She has been schooled to stay clear of giving press conferences, taking their free lance questions and answering them like normal candidates would do. She has been told to LIE her ass off, and make them believe it. The sad part of all this is that I think most who will vote for her know it and simply don't care. They are voting for her because she isn't Trump.

You might be right. Most Dem voters don't care about what you care about wrt this Dem candidate for president.

Weird you care more about Harris's truthiness than Trump's.

 

[LoreD]

Actually, I think we have the makings of a legitimate third party. They are the old school Republicans who moved across the aisle to support Harris and the Democrats against the Trump MAGA cult.

I'm not foolish enough to believe that they plan to stick around after MAGA implodes. This is somewhat similar to what happened when a KKK leader won the congressional Republican primary. I think it was in Louisiana in 80's. The Republican Party said they wouldn't support sending a Grand Wizard to Congress, so they took the campaign money and urged all the Republicans to vote for the Democrat. Two years later they went back to being Republicans.

After the MAGA cult dies, Cheney, Romney, Kinzinger, and the rest of the old school Republicans will join under the banner of some new form of a Republican Party.

This is a temporary coalition to stomp a dangerous uprising of fascism.