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How Long Will Musk Last In the Trump Administration?

How Long Will Musk Last in the Trump Administration?

  • 4 years

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • 3 years

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2 years

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 1 year

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • 6 months

    Votes: 8 66.7%
  • Won't make it to inauguration

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
Elon will last 4 years in Donald Trumps Administration. He may move about to different positions. But he will no doubt be so successful that he will make whatever task he is assigned go away, so Donny will just keep moving him around.
So you're basically saying Elon is now privy to whatever Putin has on Trump?
Cause that's the only way he's staying if Trump decides he doesn't like him.
 
Musk obviously bought his way into Trump's heart. But how long will he last? :unsure:

(Note: Relevant links below the text.)

On one hand, as the owner of the Social Media Site Formerly Known as Twitter, and as Chief Edgelord of the US, he's obviously got a lot of influence now. Insiders report that he's all over Trump like a velcro cat, inserting himself into every meeting and meal. He's also scored a top spot at a vaguely new "Department of Government Efficiency."

However, there are a few reasons to think this bromance won't last.

One is that he isn't alone at the top of the new department; Trump also put Vivek Ramaswamy as co-leader. Needless to say, there are no details on this "Department," such as budget, staffing, scope and so forth. As a reminder, similar organizations collapsed during Trump's previous administration -- e.g. the "voter integrity commission" collapsed in less than a year, and his panels with CEOs went nowhere.

Another is that the Trump administration is notoriously rife with infighting and back-stabbing.

Kara Swisher has also pointed out that Trump runs through people "like tissues," especially when they start hogging the spotlight, claim credit for things Trump wants credit for, or gathering too much power. E.g. Trump chewed up and spit out numerous top officials in his first administration; the closest parallel is probably Steve Bannon.

She also noted that are megalomaniacal narcissists, and putting two in the same room never results in comity and partnership. Those who remain close to Trump are boot-licking sycophants (Lewandowski), or who know how to be subtle in their manipulations of Dear Leader (e.g. Roger Stone), not self-proclaimed alpha males who want to Rule the Universe.

Musk is also, to put it mildly, an erratic agent of chaos who is constantly in "Goblin Mode." It's inevitable that his agenda (such as his obsession with Mars) or his Tweets will clash with Trump's will -- and neither are likely to back down. There's already signs of this, such as Trump loudly and repeatedly saying he won't cut Social Security and Medicaid, while Musk has said that he would slash both of those programs -- even though this will cause "hardship" for millions of Americans. Any budget he submits that suggests cutting SS by 30% will land in the Circular Filing Cabinet with a wet thud.

I'm sure Musk will get at least some of what he paid for -- e.g. a compliant DoJ and, of course, no cuts to the government subsidies and contracts that keep his companies afloat. That is, as long as he doesn't attack Trump after (potentially) getting dumped.

So... Will he last? Will he be out before the inauguration? What say you?



Elon Musk to lead ‘Department of Government Efficiency’ in Trump administration

Elon Musk spent millions bolstering Trump, but the president ‘goes through people like tissues,’ says Kara Swisher

Longer than Cowmala Harris lasted as a POTUS candidate.
 
So you're basically saying Elon is now privy to whatever Putin has on Trump?
Cause that's the only way he's staying if Trump decides he doesn't like him.
About the time Musk figures out Trump wants to cut that $7500 tax credit for EV's.
 
If I have shown anger toward you, I apologize. It was not my intent
Not me, and not you personally, but the right in general still seems very angry. I don't understand the 'burn it all down' mentality. They, and you, won. Celebrate that, sure. But the level of continuing gloating and "owning the libs" no longer serves any purpose. Yet it is continuing.

The cheering for obviously unqualified and deeply flawed nominees for powerful government positions makes no sense. It is a series of self-inflicted wounds, some of them quite serious.
 
Not me, and not you personally, but the right in general still seems very angry. I don't understand the 'burn it all down' mentality.
It's because they've spent most of the past 60 years losing. And they know it.

Think of the changes since the early 60s, almost all of which were fiercely opposed by conservatives:

• End to legalized racial segregation
• Civil rights laws passed
• Racial intermarriage legalized
• Public displays of racism, sexism and homophobia are all but unacceptable -- to the point where even the KKK won't admit it is racist
• Minorities are becoming a larger part of the population, and Whites will probably be less than 50% of Americans by 2045
• Women joining the workforce
• Women getting better jobs, including positions of political power
• Many women are no longer willing to being subservient to men
• Open discussion of sexuality
• Pornography has become ubiquitous
• Cannabis legalized, and psychedelics tolerated, in many places
• Homosexuality is now tolerated, normalized and mainstream
• Same-sex marriage is legal across the US, and still enjoys around 70% support
• Abortion was nationally legalized in the early 70s; Dobbs is somewhat of a hollow victory, as numerous states -- even highly conservative ones -- vote to legalize abortion
• Internationally, almost every nation has legalized abortion
• Women can now get an abortion just by taking a few pills
• Affiliation with organized religion is declining rapidly
• Mainstream culture can attack religion with impunity
• Christian organizations repeatedly outed for sexual abuse (and occasionally other types of abuse)
• Cities have become wealthier and are engines of growth, while rural areas continue to decline
• More and more people are attending college, and they tend to be more liberal / progressive
• (White) society has become far less formal, more casual, more crude
• The culture is awash in sex, violence, drugs, rebellion, irony, disrespect, irreligiosity
• Capitalism and commercialism are triumphant -- and while conservatives loathe socialism and love capitalism on paper, they also hate its amorality, e.g. the consequences of free trade, automation, income inequality, blatant greed

Because of these changes and more, the right has lost its position as the primary moral authority for most Americans. E.g. the priest who harangues a couple for having sex before marriage, or insists that a wife be subordinate to her husband is not seen as being morally instructive or ethically superior. He's seen as wildly out of touch with contemporary morals. That's a pretty bitter pill to swallow.

The right certainly has scored many victories, but they're almost all revanchist backlashes, and many wind up being ephemeral. They've so thoroughly lost that half the time, they can't even openly admit what social changes they want. The result is a barely articulate rage, where "winning" and "pwning teh libz" is more important than upholding one's moral principles.

Polarization isn't helping either, as it encourages both sides to see their political rivals as "evil" and/or "other," and where many live in echo chambers that reward demonizing anyone who disagrees with them.

The US certainly isn't a "Woke Paradise." E.g. a lot of racial progress stalled in the 90s, and in some respects took a step backwards in reaction to Obama being elected President. But I think a lot of leftists and progressives have lost sight of just how radically American society and culture has changed since the early 1960s.

Last but not least, a lot of people these days, well... we treat politics like a sport. And few things hurt more than losing a game, big or small, to a rival.

So yeah... Don't expect the right to stop being angry any time soon, no matter how many electoral victories they rack up.
 
Not me, and not you personally, but the right in general still seems very angry. I don't understand the 'burn it all down' mentality. They, and you, won. Celebrate that, sure. But the level of continuing gloating and "owning the libs" no longer serves any purpose. Yet it is continuing.

The cheering for obviously unqualified and deeply flawed nominees for powerful government positions makes no sense. It is a series of self-inflicted wounds, some of them quite serious.
Outstanding nominees so far. RFK Jr was a promise made a promise kept.
It has only been a week. We should have been gloating since 2020.
 
Musk will never be an official part of Trump’s government administration.
 
In a blatantly monetized administration where money is god and Trump is Jesus, as Musk is the Oligarch In Charge (OIC) he will last until the money runs out.

Trump money? Yeah, that will run out the moment Trump decides Elon is a threat to his primacy.
Elon couldn't run out of money if he literally lit it on fire with a fusillade of Bernz-O-Matics operated by an army of his fake robots.
 
Outstanding nominees so far.
I could not disagree more. Trump’s choices have been uniformly terrible for America. Putin is happy, I’m sure.

RFK JR is a conspiracy theorist whop promotes nonsense theories unsupported by factual information. He has no experience running a large organization. He is already threatening the health of Americans.

The weekend host from Fox “News” as SecDef? Please. The absurdity of it.

His defense lawyer that helped him get away with crimes will now have a hand in our justice system.

Matt Gaetz as AG? Even Republicans are tasting vomit at the thought.


It has only been a week. We should have been gloating since 2020.
Trump lost in 2020. But you guys have all the power now. Who will you blame now when it all goes to shit?
 
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Trump lost in 2020. But you guys have all the power now. Who will you blame now when it all goes to shit?
The Democrats, of course, that's how this game is played, you blame the last guy for the next four years!
 
The Democrats, of course, that's how this game is played, you blame the last guy for the next four years!
Of course, what I meant was, who will they blame when all the promised wonderfulness fails to come true?
 
Of course, what I meant was, who will they blame when all the promised wonderfulness fails to come true?
Well things were going just fine until COVID last time.

I mean the government run by Trump was a clown show, but that was just an entertaining show, he is a reality tv start you know.

The economy was doing great, and we were packing the courts to fix a few issue on the social front.

Checkbook, family.
 
I could not disagree more. Trump’s choices have been uniformly terrible for America. Putin is happy, I’m sure.

RFK JR is a conspiracy theorist whop promotes nonsense theories unsupported by factual information. He has no experience running a large organization. He is already threatening the health of Americans.

The weekend host from Fox “News” as SecDef? Please. The absurdity of it.

His defense lawyer that helped him get away with crimes will now have a hand in our justice system.

Matt Gaetz as AG? Even Republicans are tasting vomit at the thought.



Trump lost in 2020. But you guys have all the power now. Who will you blame now when it all goes to shit?
Trump had a mandate to include Bobby and Tulsi. I didn't know much about Pete Hegseth but watched this interview this morning. Great pic. I didn't know Trump had interviewed him for Vereran Affairs in 2016.



I am a new fan of these long form interviews. Learn so much more than from old media. Shawn Ryan also interviewed Tulsi and Kash Patel. I haven't watched those yet.
 
Well things were going just fine until COVID last time.
Not exactly, but yes - a leader is expected to deal with the unexpected. Shit happens. Trump didn’t handle it well. At all.
 
As long as he can continue to supply money and support, he stick around.
 
Musk obviously bought his way into Trump's heart. But how long will he last? :unsure:

(Note: Relevant links below the text.)

On one hand, as the owner of the Social Media Site Formerly Known as Twitter, and as Chief Edgelord of the US, he's obviously got a lot of influence now. Insiders report that he's all over Trump like a velcro cat, inserting himself into every meeting and meal. He's also scored a top spot at a vaguely new "Department of Government Efficiency."

However, there are a few reasons to think this bromance won't last.

One is that he isn't alone at the top of the new department; Trump also put Vivek Ramaswamy as co-leader. Needless to say, there are no details on this "Department," such as budget, staffing, scope and so forth. As a reminder, similar organizations collapsed during Trump's previous administration -- e.g. the "voter integrity commission" collapsed in less than a year, and his panels with CEOs went nowhere.

Another is that the Trump administration is notoriously rife with infighting and back-stabbing.

Kara Swisher has also pointed out that Trump runs through people "like tissues," especially when they start hogging the spotlight, claim credit for things Trump wants credit for, or gathering too much power. E.g. Trump chewed up and spit out numerous top officials in his first administration; the closest parallel is probably Steve Bannon.

She also noted that are megalomaniacal narcissists, and putting two in the same room never results in comity and partnership. Those who remain close to Trump are boot-licking sycophants (Lewandowski), or who know how to be subtle in their manipulations of Dear Leader (e.g. Roger Stone), not self-proclaimed alpha males who want to Rule the Universe.

Musk is also, to put it mildly, an erratic agent of chaos who is constantly in "Goblin Mode." It's inevitable that his agenda (such as his obsession with Mars) or his Tweets will clash with Trump's will -- and neither are likely to back down. There's already signs of this, such as Trump loudly and repeatedly saying he won't cut Social Security and Medicaid, while Musk has said that he would slash both of those programs -- even though this will cause "hardship" for millions of Americans. Any budget he submits that suggests cutting SS by 30% will land in the Circular Filing Cabinet with a wet thud.

I'm sure Musk will get at least some of what he paid for -- e.g. a compliant DoJ and, of course, no cuts to the government subsidies and contracts that keep his companies afloat. That is, as long as he doesn't attack Trump after (potentially) getting dumped.

So... Will he last? Will he be out before the inauguration? What say you?



Elon Musk to lead ‘Department of Government Efficiency’ in Trump administration

Elon Musk spent millions bolstering Trump, but the president ‘goes through people like tissues,’ says Kara Swisher
Until he wins enough government SpaceX contracts to make him happy 😡
 
Not exactly, but yes - a leader is expected to deal with the unexpected. Shit happens. Trump didn’t handle it well. At all.
Nothing better could have really done, except that the virus should have never been created and that lab, and never gotten out, however that happened.
 
Nothing better could have really done, except that the virus should have never been created and that lab, and never gotten out, however that happened.
Revisonist history, laced with ignorance. Of course it could have been handled better. The outcome might out might not have been different, we will never know.
We DO know that it didn't just "disappear, like a miracle".
We DO know that lung cleaning is not a thing.
We DO know that it would likely have gone much better if Trump had not disbanded the pandemic preparedness office.
We DO know that Trump did not have it "under control" despite many claims that he did.
We DO know that it was NOT "one person coming in from China".
We DO know that he lied when he said "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
We DO know that we lost a lot of people while he dicked around trying to protect his image and the stock market.

It is unbelievable to me that we have again elected this buffoon as president.
 
Revisonist history, laced with ignorance. Of course it could have been handled better. The outcome might out might not have been different, we will never know.
We DO know that it didn't just "disappear, like a miracle".
We DO know that lung cleaning is not a thing.
We DO know that it would likely have gone much better if Trump had not disbanded the pandemic preparedness office.
We DO know that Trump did not have it "under control" despite many claims that he did.
We DO know that it was NOT "one person coming in from China".
We DO know that he lied when he said "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
We DO know that we lost a lot of people while he dicked around trying to protect his image and the stock market.

It is unbelievable to me that we have again elected this buffoon as president.
"We" did not elect him tho, did "we".

I mean you didn't vote for him, but a bunch of the rest of us who you have no respect for did.

You don't respect us, but you want to live in the house we built surrounded buy all the things money can buy, so we sent this asshat up there to keep us entertained while we do the real work of fixing things around here, just like we have always done.

Now we have sent him back, again, he's our clown, he makes us laugh.
 
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