How long until you realize trump has lied to you and every other person who voted for him?

[Perotista]

Didn't make that claim. If I was specific, I would have said R's.

I would suggest to you that a large portion of D's think it was stolen because an insurrectionist was allowed on the ballot, not because of voter fraud.

Legally, Trump isn’t an insurrectionist. None of the 91 federal indictments charged Trump with insurrection. Neither the president, FBI, DOJ, Homeland Security, any other government agency ever stated Trump was an insurrection. Congress never declared 1-6 as an insurrection as congress did, passed legislation and signed by President Lincoln declaring the south in a state of insurrection. The closest was the second impeachment trial which the house charged Trump with incitement of an insurrection which Trump was found not guilty in the senate trial.

The law that would apply is 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection act of 1948 which requires a trial and conviction. Which never happened like congress never declaring nor any federal official or government agency declaring Trump an insurrection. It’s just public opinion or the opinion of individuals. No legal standing.

 

[mrjurrs]

Legally, Trump isn’t an insurrectionist. None of the 91 federal indictments charged Trump with insurrection. Neither the president, FBI, DOJ, Homeland Security, any other government agency ever stated Trump was an insurrection. Congress never declared 1-6 as an insurrection as congress did, passed legislation and signed by President Lincoln declaring the south in a state of insurrection. The closest was the second impeachment trial which the house charged Trump with incitement of an insurrection which Trump was found not guilty in the senate trial.

The law that would apply is 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection act of 1948 which requires a trial and conviction. Which never happened like congress never declaring nor any federal official or government agency declaring Trump an insurrection. It’s just public opinion or the opinion of individuals. No legal standing.

Not being charged is irrelevant. The highest court in a state (NM) declared it an insurrection and used that designation to remove someone from office (and the SCOTUS allowed it to remain.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/18/supreme-court-new-mexico-griffin-00147547

SCOTUS said the 14th could only be enforced by Congress. Charging (and therefore conviction) for insurrection is only one way that Congress could prevent eligibility. They could also use a Joint Resolution and probably some other arcane Congressional loopholes.

 

[mike2810]

Leases are inactive because the cost of production is too high to make a profit.

It's basic supply/demand economics.


Noted.

More domestic production means fewer international purchases which is good. It means more high paying jobs which is good. Lower priced domestic production directly influences fuels costs and has a ripple effect through the economy.

A bit confused with your post. I can agree that production of oil/gas is a supply demand economic issue.

It seems the demand is not their if companies let their leases expire without developing them. Why else would they let them expire?
Labor costs have risen over the years. Would not the price of Oil/Gas also go up some to cover the increased labor rate?

How does one "lower the price of domestic production" of oil/gas?

 

[Blue Dog]

Too many people do not care if they are lied to, providing they are being entertained…..

 

[Jay59]

A bit confused with your post. I can agree that production of oil/gas is a supply demand economic issue.

Your statement about existing leases indicates otherwise.

There is an inventory of federal land that has not been leased or that has had leases expire. Production costs for some of those leases will allow for lower price per barrel or cubic foot of gas.

It seems the demand is not their if companies let their leases expire without developing them. Why else would they let them expire?

Production costs.

Labor costs have risen over the years. Would not the price of Oil/Gas also go up some to cover the increased labor rate?

That is already figured into the model.

How does one "lower the price of domestic production" of oil/gas?

By using properties that allow for low production costs.

Biden's administration hoarded the ones on federal land.

Too many people do not care if they are lied to, providing they are being entertained…..

That's what media bubbles are all about.

In 2024 the lies became too implausible to function. Biden was not fit, Harris was not competent, Trump was not a criminal or a fascist. Constantly repeating it did not change things.

 

[Bullseye]

Ah! That's one of the arguments you'll be using, even tho Dems don't have a majority in either house. (And we won't forget the successes of the previous Congress, right?)

LOL, the "argument I'm using" is called repeating the his words in full. The argument you're using is the classic LW looney "If Trump said it, it's a lie"
The rest of your comment shows such a glaring ignorance of the way Congress work, e.g. not every issue is decided on straight party vote.

 

[mike2810]

Your statement about existing leases indicates otherwise.

You are misinformed.
The feds do not control if a company after leasing decides to develop the site or not.

There is an inventory of federal land that has not been leased or that has had leases expire. Production costs for some of those leases will allow for lower price per barrel or cubic foot of gas.

Yes. There are Oil and gas reserves that have not been leased yet.
There are leases issued that have to be developed.

Production costs.

If the production cost is to high to develop now on an issued lease explain how more leases issued would bring down that cost.

That is already figured into the model.

true. You remember what happened when there was a glut of oil during covid. Wells got shut down till demand caught up with the supply.

By using properties that allow for low production costs.

and what properties would that be?

Biden's administration hoarded the ones on federal land.

prove it?

That's what media bubbles are all about.

In 2024 the lies became too implausible to function. Biden was not fit, Harris was not competent, Trump was not a criminal or a fascist. Constantly repeating it did not change things.

 

[Jay59]

You are misinformed. The feds do not control if a company after leasing decides to develop the site or not.

Please read more closely. You are answering the wrong question.

No one ever claim feds controlled companies.

Yes. There are Oil and gas reserves that have not been leased yet. There are leases issued that have to be developed.

Is there a point.

There are also developed or partly developed reserves that are not currently least. The inventory of those has been growing for four years.

If the production cost is to high to develop now on an issued lease explain how more leases issued would bring down that cost.

Production cost has many factors, depth, volume, special equipment, lifting costs, transport costs, etc. Each reserve is unique in what its production will cost.

You seem to be avoiding the possibility that some lost production cost reserves are currently idle due to Biden administration policy.

True. You remember what happened when there was a glut of oil during covid.

Poor example. Situations will not parallel a pandemic.

Wells got shut down till demand caught up with the supply. and what properties would that be?

Is there a point somewhere?

prove it?

It was a stated policy.

The Biden administration tried to cancel scheduled lease auctions and had to be force through court orders.

 

[mike2810]

Please read more closely. You are answering the wrong question.

and you don't answer any questions.

No one ever claim feds controlled companies.

Is there a point.

There are also developed or partly developed reserves that are not currently least. The inventory of those has been growing for four years.


Production cost has many factors, depth, volume, special equipment, lifting costs, transport costs, etc. Each reserve is unique in what its production will cost.

You seem to be avoiding the possibility that some lost production cost reserves are currently idle due to Biden administration policy.


Poor example. Situations will not parallel a pandemic.


Is there a point somewhere?


It was a stated policy.

The Biden administration tried to cancel scheduled lease auctions and had to be force through court orders.

Let me ask you this.
Should every Federal oil and gas lease be sold in one year? Yes or No.
Explain your answer.

Why didn't President Trump during his first term sell more leases?

Are all the federal lands that have O&G leases gone through the NEPA process?

 

[Jay59]

and you don't answer any questions.

You keep asking nonsensical questions like, "You remember what happened when there was a glut of oil during covid."

Who cares?

Let me ask you this. Should every Federal oil and gas lease be sold in one year? Yes or No.

No.

Explain your answer.

There is too much land and not enough capacity to develop it.

The question you seem to be avoiding is, should the government expand the number of leases it does sell? Absolutely.

Why didn't President Trump during his first term sell more leases?

Who said he didn't sell enough?

We reached energy parity for the first time under Trump45.

Are all the federal lands that have O&G leases gone through the NEPA process?

That's a bizarre question out of left field.

Yes, the EPA has jurisdiction. To get a more thorough answer you need a more specific question.

 

[mike2810]

You keep asking nonsensical questions like, "You remember what happened when there was a glut of oil during covid."

Who cares?


No.


There is too much land and not enough capacity to develop it.

The question you seem to be avoiding is, should the government expand the number of leases it does sell? Absolutely.


Who said he didn't sell enough?

you seem to imply the feds need to sell more. You just want to hammer on President Biden.

We reached energy parity for the first time under Trump45.

and we are still a major producer and exporting as much if not more when Trump was President.

That's a bizarre question out of left field.

Yes, the EPA has jurisdiction. To get a more thorough answer you need a more specific question.

It is not bizarre if you understand federal land use planning and the NEPA process that Congress requires to be conducted for projects on federal land.
I will take it you have no real working knowledge of the planning process agencies go through, as required by Congress.

 

[Deuce]

Trump supporters know he is full of shit. They know the 2020 election was not stolen. They know Trump is a criminal.

They just pretend not to believe these things. They'd rather pretend to be stupid and gullible than admit how terrible they are.

 

[Bullseye]

Ah! That's one of the arguments you'll be using, even tho Dems don't have a majority in either house. (And we won't forget the successes of the previous Congress, right?)

Factual statements make the best arguments.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Factual statements make the best arguments.

Tell Trump.

He is going about it all wrong.

 

[Bullseye]

Tell Trump.

He is going about it all wrong.

He won, right? Guess you guys were wrong.

 

[NolanVoyd]

He won, right? Guess you guys were wrong.

Him winning doesn't mean he was factual or right.

You are so confused.

 

[Bullseye]

Him winning doesn't mean he was factual or right.

You are so confused.

I know who's gonna be sitting in the Oval Office on January 20th. I don't think you guys have even accepted that yet. No confusion at all.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I'll bring prices down he declared, after the election he already admitted he can't do much about prices. Is that enough to realize you've been trumped? On january the twenty second when the war between Russia and Ukraine doesn't end, will you admit once again you've been lied to and trumped? If in two years gas prices have not come down significantly, will you admit once again you've been lied to and trumped? If in two years there is not progress on immigration, will you admit trump lied to you and you've been trumped?

What will it take for you to admit to yourself, trump has done nothing but lie to get himself back into the oval office so he can once again act like an ass and make a laughingstock of America?

You act as if the democrats who run for office never lie.

You apparently have never realized that.

 

[post]

I know who's gonna be sitting in the Oval Office on January 20th. I don't think you guys have even accepted that yet. No confusion at all.

Yup! an aggressively racist, admitted sexual predator, misogynist convicted felon.

 

[bongsaway]

You act as if the democrats who run for office never lie.

You apparently have never realized that.

None of you will admit anything. Y'all try twisting the question and doing but what about. Sad.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I know who's gonna be sitting in the Oval Office on January 20th.

So do I.

For the first time in American History it will be a convicted Felon.

 

[Lord of Planar]

None of you will admit anything. Y'all try twisting the question and doing but what about. Sad.

Admit what? I am on record as to saying Trump is scum. And I still voted for a scumbag over a socialist.

Why? Because she wants to destroy this nation as we know it. Make the USA weaker. Not stronger. At least the criminal Trump, regardless of all his shortcomings, he loves this nation.

 

[Lord of Planar]

So do I.

For the first time in American History it will be a convicted Felon.

Maybe if your party wasn't so immersed in supporting perversions, they could have won.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Maybe if your party wasn't so immersed in supporting perversions, they could have won.

Supporting perversions?

You all support Trump.

Irony is lost on you huh?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Supporting perversions?

You all support Trump.

Irony is lost on you huh?

You need to think more clearly.