How is Being Anti-Abortion Strict Constitutionalist?

[Wan]

So everybody...EVERYBOdy...else is wrong and you are right about the legal meaning of murder? :doh

I hope you dont think that reads like a rational post?

It's not my fault that I am a deep thinker whose thinking is changing the way we see and do things.

 

[minnie616]

Prove that killing a fetus is factually not murder. ....

It is not murder. Pregnancies can be life threatening to a woman.

Abortion is not murder.

Even if we granted the most generous possible terms to the anti-abortion camp, even if we pretended the fetus was fully rational and contemplating Shakespeare in the womb, like an Ian McEwan character, abortion would still not be murder.

In large part, that’s because anti-abortionist’s argument hinges upon the notion that life is always sacred and ought never be taken. That is not the way the world operates.

Some pro-lifers are fond of exclaiming that we should treat fertilized ovum with reverence since “A single cell discovered on Mars [would] be considered life!”

Yes. And if that life posed any threat to us, we’d kill it immediately.

One has a strong sense that people who invoke that argument have never seen a movie about what happens when humans encounter life in outer space.

But even in the case of human life, there are a great many situations where, when one life poses a threat to another, that life can reasonably be taken.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a19748134/what-is-abortion/



As for the notion that the fetus is non-threatening—it’s impossible to deny that a fetus poses a risk to a woman, purely because she has to use her body to incubate it. And in America, she has to do so in a country with the worst rate of maternal deaths in the developed world.

 

[Wan]

Anyone outside the legal profession stupid enough and arrogant enough to think they can decide the legal meaning of the word murder would be in the same category, getting judged. Delusion is not something to encourage...such people also want to impose their erroneous opinion on innocent women...by demanding that Dr's lie to women. :doh

How do you justify such dishonest behavior?

You are being judgmental again. I guess you can't control this behavior.

 

[Lursa]

It's not my fault that I am a deep thinker whose thinking is changing the way we see and do things.

Lying to influence change is nothing to be proud of.

 

[Lursa]

You are being judgmental again. I guess you can't control this behavior.

If you read better, you'd see exactly how I justified being judgemental of a very specific group of people...mostly because it's accurate!

Let me know when you manage to control your lying tho.

 

[Wan]

Lying to influence change is nothing to be proud of.

Except I didn't lie.

If you read better, you'd see exactly how I justified being judgemental of a very specific group of people...mostly because it's accurate!

Let me know when you manage to control your lying tho.

Prove I lied.

 

[ecofarm]

Yes, but he's clearly lying about the why. It's not so that 'women can make an informed choice.'

It's to make women feel guilty, in hopes that they'll change their mind. And if not, BONUS!, "we made the slut feel bad at least! She deserves to be punished!"

Obviously.

 

[Lursa]

Except I didn't lie.


Prove I lied.

I did. Your own words proved it. And you continue to lie about abortion being murder.

Anyway, I've spelled it out, using your own words, a few times now.

So please stop asking. You are the only one responsible for establishing yourself as a person who posts lies....not me.

 

[Wan]

I did. Your own words proved it. And you continue to lie about abortion being murder.

Anyway, I've spelled it out, using your own words, a few times now.

So please stop asking. You are the only one responsible for establishing yourself as a person who posts lies....not me.

You can keep thinking that you "proved" that I am lying. I mean, you also think that abortion is not murder.

 

[minnie616]

And the Constitution also said blacks where only 3/5ths a person yet we still recognize that that was not a valid position to plant a banner on.

That was for the census only.

 

[Wan]

Lursa,

Why did you fail to deal with the scenario I posted to you in post # 763? Is it because you couldn't?

I will post it here again for your benefit:

To give you an imaginary scenario: in the States, abortion is legal, so you say it's not murder. But if you travel to another country, say, a country in the Middle East where abortion is illegal. Now, are you going to believe that abortion is now murder? Surely you dont mean to tell me whether abortion is murder or not depends on one's geographical location. This would just make no sense.

 

[minnie616]

Except I didn't lie.


Prove I lied.

Prove you didn’t lie.

Even your country of Canada does not call abortion murder.

They do not recognize any rights for an unborn.

 

[Wan]

Prove you didn’t lie.

It is impossible to prove a negative. This is a very basic concept in university. I guess you never went to a college/uni.

 

[Lursa]

Lursa,

Why did you fail to deal with the scenario I posted to you in post # 763? Is it because you couldn't?

I will post it here again for your benefit:

To give you an imaginary scenario: in the States, abortion is legal, so you say it's not murder. But if you travel to another country, say, a country in the Middle East where abortion is illegal. Now, are you going to believe that abortion is now murder? Surely you dont mean to tell me whether abortion is murder or not depends on one's geographical location. This would just make no sense.

It was so simplistic I thought you were kidding.


It's against the law for women to drive in Saudi Arabia. Does that mean driving should be...or is...against the law in America?

It's against the law to smoke pot in some states, but not in WA or CO or AK. Is it illegal to smoke pot in WA or CO or AK? Is it ok to smoke pot in the other states?

Different countries have different laws. Different states have different laws.

Laws are definitely geographical in nature. It's called jurisdiction in some cases.

So sure, if the ME wants to charge women who have abortions with murder...they can. It certainly doesnt make it murder here.

In the ME, in some countries, it's illegal for women to go out without a male relative as a chaperone....is it illegal here for women to go out without a male relative chaparone?

Did I really need to type this out for you? :doh

 

[Lursa]

It is impossible to prove a negative. This is a very basic concept in university. I guess you never went to a college/uni.

*snicker* Still wrong. Maybe you'd better check back with where you got your diploma.

You Can't Prove a Negative - Fact or Myth?

The saying “you can’t prove a negative” isn’t accurate. Proving negatives is a foundational aspect of logic (ex. the law of contradiction)

 

[Wan]

It's against the law for women to drive in Saudi Arabia. Does that mean driving should be...or is...against the law in America?

It's against the law to smoke pot in some states, but not in WA or CO or AK. Is it illegal to smoke pot in WA or CO or AK? Is it ok to smoke pot in the other states?

Different countries have different laws. Different states have different laws.

Laws are definitely geographical in nature. It's called jurisdiction in some cases.

So sure, if the ME wants to charge women who have abortions with murder...they can. It certainly doesnt make it murder here.

In the ME, in some countries, it's illegal for women to go out without a male relative as a chaperone....is it illegal here for women to go out without a male relative chaparone?

Did I really need to type this out for you? :doh

I wasn't comparing the different laws between here and over there. I was trying to show you that laws do not dictate morality. The laws have no bearing on whether abortion is murder or not.

 

[Wan]

*snicker* Still wrong. Maybe you'd better check back with where you got your diploma.

Says the woman who keeps asserting that I am "lying" but cannot offer any proof.

 

[minnie616]

It is impossible to prove a negative. This is a very basic concept in university. I guess you never went to a college/uni.

Too funny.
:lol:

So you feel you can lie as much as want.

Go ahead but you will be called out when you insist on calling abortion ( the ending of a pregnancy ) something it is not.

 

[Lursa]

I wasn't comparing the different laws between here and over there. I was trying to show you that laws do not dictate morality. The laws have no bearing on whether abortion is murder or not.

Nobody ever made that claim (that I saw).

And yes, laws completely determine whether or not abortion is murder or not.

Again, for the hundredth time, murder is a legal designation, not a moral one. :doh

So...will you stop lying about it now? If not, that's fine but it's a waste of typing on your part.

And it shows you are not being honest. If you want to make a moral argument, make one but stop hiding behind a lie to try and make one with a legal term to try and make your opinion seem legitimate.

 

[Wan]

And yes, laws completely determine whether or not abortion is murder or not.

No. The laws merely say that abortion is legal. They don't say that it's not murder.

 

[Lursa]

Says the woman who keeps asserting that I am "lying" but cannot offer any proof.

:lamo

You're lying here ^^! LOL, so we can just add it to the list in the other posts where I showed (the proof) that you were lying.

Everyone else has already read them...Minnie and Eco have referred to them. :lol:

 

[Fishking]

That was for the census only.

And that's a legit position to take?

 

[Lursa]

No. The laws merely say that abortion is legal. They don't say that it's not murder.

:lamo

Murder is not legal in the US. Abortion is.

O.M.G. this is really sad, your complete lack of the ability to apply logic to a concept is amazing!

 

[Wan]

:lamo

You're lying here ^^! LOL, so we can just add it to the list in the other posts where I showed (the proof) that you were lying.

Everyone else has already read them...Minnie and Eco have referred to them. :lol:

It seems important to your psyche to believe that you "caught" me lying. Also, the people you mentioned are intellectual lightweights. I could care less whether they referred to my posts or not.

 

[Wan]

:lamo

Murder is not legal in the US. Abortion is.

O.M.G. this is really sad, your complete lack of the ability to apply logic to a concept is amazing!

Point to the tax codes, of any kind, that say the actual passage: "abortion is not murder".