How important were the documents found at Mar-a-Lago?

[The AntiDonald]

The request for a special master was with regard to attorney/client privileged documents, executive privileged documents and personal documents. Basically, Trump asked that documents not reasonably tied to the NARA request be segregated and returned.

The FBI can do all that without any special master. Trump's motive is delay. It's his MO. It's what he's done every time he gets in a brush with the law. He got lucky this time with a judge who's playing along with his delay game.

Stacking the courts does have its advantages every now and then. But in the long run, it won't help him at all. Everyone and their brother have him under investigation for one reason or another. One of these is eventually going to hit the jackpot.

It's just a shame the wheels of justice turn so slowly.

 

[Fearandloathing]

The press secretary was asked about the WaPo report yesterday:


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...and-deputy-coordinator-dr-demetre-daskalakis/
Quote taken from roughly half way down the page.

So these super secret documents that are a threat to global security weren't important enough to discuss with foreign allies or enemies to make sure they knew their information was safe and they weren't at risk...or that they WERE at risk!

It is absolutely no importance whatsoever.

The documents are NOT his property. They belong to the people of the United States. Americans should be proud of that law! It preserves your "Exceptionalism"

Tell me, why can Trump keep these files while every single one the the 44 presidents who preceded has done so without issue...without the nation even knowing.

Is Dandy Don Dopey above the law? Or is he the "exceptionalism"?

What's so extra-****ing special that a single term president who never had a plurality and is of highly questionable habits gets to keep this shit and no one else does?

 

[Drowning Man]

Yeah. I keep forgetting to read between the lines.

If she said "no" then the administration would look bad. If she said "yes" then that would have confirmed a "grave danger" which, if there was no danger, would then need to be walked back. She said, "none we can talk about right now" which splits the baby and is the most disingenuous way possible of answering the question. That last bit is important because the goal is to promote the political narrative, not to give any real information, especially the kind of information you're likely to have to walk back.

It's important to have an angle to spin it on, no matter what, right?

 

[Fearandloathing]

The request for a special master was with regard to attorney/client privileged documents, executive privileged documents and personal documents. Basically, Trump asked that documents not reasonably tied to the NARA request be segregated and returned.

Is yet another example of Trump's practice when confronted with the law....delay, delay, delay, delay.........

I suspect he's hoping the evidence will decompose over time

 

[The AntiDonald]

That's a great theory!

Discussing whether foreign nations impacted by the "theft" of these documents is classified but leaking their existence to the WaPo is fine and dandy. Brilliant!

Leaking their existence is not leaking their contents. We the people have a right to know what's going on. We don't need the fine detail.

 

[Fearandloathing]

The request for a special master was with regard to attorney/client privileged documents, executive privileged documents and personal documents. Basically, Trump asked that documents not reasonably tied to the NARA request be segregated and returned.

Oh, now that's total bullshit.

Attorney client privilege is the last resort in a failed argument.

Please answer the question of why Donald Trump is so special that he is NOT Required to obey a law which has been followed by 44 of his predecessor's.

What's different, other than Trump is insane?

 

[Lutherf]

Keep this in mind. Reality Winner took one classified document related to Russian interference in the 2016 election and handed it to the media. She was jailed before her trial, given no bail and then sentenced to 5 years in prison. Her reasoning was making sure the American people understood how the Russians were working hard to elect Trump.

Now realize Trump had hundreds of classified documents, many with much higher classification stored at a public club in Florida. Some which may still be missing.

And Trump supporters are trying to make excuses for this. In a fair world, Trump would get life in prison.

Winner's sentence was due more to the fact that she handed the information to the media than that she took it to begin with. In the Mar-a-Lago case it seems that the DoJ is the only organization that has been giving classified information to the press.

 

[Sand Castle]

Don't you just hate it when your personal information gets mixed up with top secret government documents you took?

Didn't trump have like one year to get these documents in order. Too busy with his "executive time"

 

[TheGoverness]

Tell me, why can Trump keep these files while every single one the the 44 presidents who preceded has done so without issue...without the nation even knowing.

Because Trump. Trump does nothing wrong. He must be defended, no matter what.

 

[Sand Castle]

Is yet another example of Trump's practice when confronted with the law....delay, delay, delay, delay.........

I suspect he's hoping the evidence will decompose over time

Become POTUS again and appoint some cronie- AG. AG Eileen Cannon

 

[Lutherf]

It is absolutely no importance whatsoever.

The documents are NOT his property. They belong to the people of the United States. Americans should be proud of that law! It preserves your "Exceptionalism"

Tell me, why can Trump keep these files while every single one the the 44 presidents who preceded has done so without issue...without the nation even knowing.

Is Dandy Don Dopey above the law? Or is he the "exceptionalism"?

What's so extra-****ing special that a single term president who never had a plurality and is of highly questionable habits gets to keep this shit and no one else does?

Well, if you're going to start raiding ex-president's houses looking for stuff that "belongs to the people" then you're probably going to have quite a shopping list to contend with. However, since this situation involves Trump, there is a whole different set of rules we MUST go by. I mean, after all, Trump was never the legitimate president anyway, right?

 

[Lutherf]

Is yet another example of Trump's practice when confronted with the law....delay, delay, delay, delay.........

I suspect he's hoping the evidence will decompose over time

You think Trump invented that tactic?

 

[Sand Castle]

Well, if you're going to start raiding ex-president's houses looking for stuff that "belongs to the people" then you're probably going to have quite a shopping list to contend with. However, since this situation involves Trump, there is a whole different set of rules we MUST go by. I mean, after all, Trump was never the legitimate president anyway, right?

You do know none of this started with a raid approx one year ago

 

[Lutherf]

Leaking their existence is not leaking their contents. We the people have a right to know what's going on. We don't need the fine detail.

Did the reporter ask KJP to discuss the contents of the documents?

 

[Fearandloathing]

Well, if you're going to start raiding ex-president's houses looking for stuff that "belongs to the people" then you're probably going to have quite a shopping list to contend with. However, since this situation involves Trump, there is a whole different set of rules we MUST go by. I mean, after all, Trump was never the legitimate president anyway, right?

Question Avoidance is not replying.

Why should Donald R Trump NOT have to follow a law 44 past president have done without comment or protest.

Please get honest enough to answer.

I have to say there was a time I had respect for you.

That WAS before Trump

Just answer the ****ing question for a change!

 

[NolanVoyd]

Well, if you're going to start raiding ex-president's houses looking for stuff that "belongs to the people" then you're probably going to have quite a shopping list to contend with. However, since this situation involves Trump, there is a whole different set of rules we MUST go by. I mean, after all, Trump was never the legitimate president anyway, right?

Where are you getting that.

No other American president has stolen government documents, stored them in a resort, and refused to return them, even under subpeona.

 

[Fearandloathing]

You think Trump invented that tactic?

Distraction

Answer the ****ing question

 

[mike2810]

I take it some people have not read the PRA. It defines Presidential and Personal Records

Personal Records are:
"3) The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes--
(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and

(C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President."

Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22)

(44 U.S.C. Chapter 22) § 2201. Definitions § 2202. Ownership of Presidential records § 2203. Management and custody of Presidential records § 2204. Restrictions on access to Presidential records § 2205. Exceptions to restricted access § 2206. Regulations § 2207. Vice-Presidential records § Note...

www.archives.gov

"(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term--.............."
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- Any publication, newspaper, etc. paid for by the government are not "personal". Even some of the news clippings are not Trumps.
Seems the definition is pretty clear on what belongs to the Govt. as Presidential records.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Don't you just hate it when your personal information gets mixed up with top secret government documents you took?

I do. And on a related note, just the other day I opened a client's legal file and was surprised to find the results of my last colonoscopy in there, along with a long since expired pass to the local water park. I guess I should be a little more careful about my filing system?

 

[Fearandloathing]

You think Trump invented that tactic?

Just answer the ****ing question.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Well, if you're going to start raiding ex-president's houses looking for stuff that "belongs to the people" then you're probably going to have quite a shopping list to contend with. However, since this situation involves Trump, there is a whole different set of rules we MUST go by. I mean, after all, Trump was never the legitimate president anyway, right?

No

I Never compared anything.

I asked a direct and simple question that you are to scared to answer.

Why is Donald Trump allowed to break a law 44 other presidents have followed.

Enough weaseling!!!!

 

[The AntiDonald]

Winner's sentence was due more to the fact that she handed the information to the media than that she took it to begin with. In the Mar-a-Lago case it seems that the DoJ is the only organization that has been giving classified information to the press.

The DOJ has given no classified info to the media. Only thing they have done is acknowledging that it existed. Why do Trump supporters have to lie so much?

And all this brought on by Trump and his fans himself. Trumpers were the people threatening violence if the warrant wasn't released. Then that wasn't good enough. Then it had to be the affidavit. And of course, it was too redacted.

There is no end with Trumpers. It's never good enough. Planted evidence, etc., etc.

 

[Lutherf]

Oh, now that's total bullshit.

Attorney client privilege is the last resort in a failed argument.

Please answer the question of why Donald Trump is so special that he is NOT Required to obey a law which has been followed by 44 of his predecessor's.

What's different, other than Trump is insane?

Question Avoidance is not replying.

Why should Donald R Trump NOT have to follow a law 44 past president have done without comment or protest.

Please get honest enough to answer.

I have to say there was a time I had respect for you.

That WAS before Trump

Just answer the ****ing question for a change!

He was cooperating. He was exercising his right to contest the NARA determination but he was cooperating. Heck, when the FBI showed up in June they just told him to put an extra lock on the door. Why didn't they take all the boxes then?

 

[Fearandloathing]

You think Trump invented that tactic?

Just realized you have admitted this is a Trump tactic....not an attack on him.

 

[mike2810]

Well, if you're going to start raiding ex-president's houses looking for stuff that "belongs to the people" then you're probably going to have quite a shopping list to contend with. However, since this situation involves Trump, there is a whole different set of rules we MUST go by. I mean, after all, Trump was never the legitimate president anyway, right?

- Raid = Legal serving of a search warrant.
- What other FPOTUS have items that NARA did not approve of them having?

- Funny, you are asking if Trump was a legitimate President. In your view, Biden is not, right?